Sunn Mere Dil (GEO) #10 - Wahaj Ali, Maya Ali, Hira Mani - Page 83

Originally posted by: 2RsFan

Why cos of the slap ? Murtasim slapped his wife too. The cheating ? KRQ thinks women should just accept it.

Murtasim didn't slap wife actually, as it was the scene when they both were like enemies at start before marriage. Meerab constantly was pushing him and calling beghairat or something when he had nothing to do with her and he couldn't control and slapped but yeah it was odd and was not expected from murtasim character at least, pushing her back was enough. Here Ammar on one hand is cheating with sadaf and spending nights with Dania and in reverse questioning and doubting sadaf. I hope they will show the end of their relationship.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

there r haters fir sure and there is excessive criticism i agree but it can't be just all that. bilal also got huge boost after IM but he doesn't attract the same negativity and criticism. Part of it that his post-IM choices have been very smart and is very smart with his SM and brand/image management, so his haters don't get any opening. The same can't be said of Wahaj's choices.

But point is Wahaj raised to the levels directly post TB so there is a difference in both journeys. such a sudden raise will attract more negativity. Also everyone's journey is different. If I see Wahaj hasn't done lead in many mainstream dramas so he would opt for it to have couple of them on his name and its all about the time and luck sometimes it results in bad choices. And about personal life Wahaj is Married and Bilal isn't. Its just that for married person people ship as having affair and for unmarried its just a cute discussion if they are having a relationship. so it can't be controlled and I also feel better if that's just left like that. Toxic People will ship no matter what and one won't end so long friendship because of some bunch of haters when there are so much of positive people. And it's shipped more as Maya is even his bestie and also celebrity. In case if Maya wasn't a celebrity and they were still besties there wouldn't have been such news and next mostly Wahaj Sana keeps their relationship private and will not circulate on media which I feel is actually better for their personal relationship which is more valuable. It's their choice whatever and may change sometime.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

You can continue to think so. But to me, numbers don't lie. I always check actors' SM follower #s (and other trends) when they have a hit show on air or when they are being very appreciated for their performance in large enough numbers (not just critics/fans). So I have a sense how these #s evolve when an actor is getting mass aprreciation. And Wahaj's #s are just not evolving like that. Not saying there aren't people appreciating his performance but those #s are not high enough to be called mass appreciation.

Wahaj Will bounce back.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

I have seen Yumna get bashed also on reddit though. Bilal and Saal I rarely see criticized there.

Sajal and Bilal used to get critized a lot in reddit. People changed their opinion about Sajal after ZPKB and Bilal after IM and Maan Jogi. There are more Yumna lovers than haters there. Even if you criticize her acting people there will come at you or will downvote you.

Wahaj just needs to do good project to change his opinion. It will only take one good project. He needs to select project smartly now.

Originally posted by: mala06

Sajal and Bilal used to get critized a lot in reddit. People changed their opinion about Sajal after ZPKB and Bilal after IM and Maan Jogi. There are more Yumna lovers than haters there. Even if you criticize her acting people there will come at you or will downvote you.

Wahaj just needs to do good project to change his opinion. It will only take one good project. He needs to select project smartly now.

I think that haters and some toxic people will just be waiting for a chance for criticizing. so when they find its time they just start and enjoy and I would say that actors should be smart enough to just neglect nonsense people as the actual positivity is more valuable. And when it comes to someone like Danish criticism maybe doesn't come much as no expectation maybe like its ruled out that they will do such roles and loopholes scripts. So toxic people won't find much data to gossip. Yeah hope he gets and opts good project. I also feel even fate and luck matters strongly to land in good project. But again some good projects will not fetch views too and I firmly believe in Wahaj case people will gossip negatively even for that even if its good project. Best is to ignore that bunch of people as such people may get active at any time and point out in social media time.

Originally posted by: dramas_1

Both Danish and Feroze has done such content with less ratings.
1) Teri chain Merin of Danish is fully flop. even last episode has 7M views only and no trends at all like SMD.
2) Khumar of Feroze also fetched similar trp as SMD and also similar views and I would say SMD will surpass that too in future over the time. Also it didn't trend to that level.
3) Even Chand taara of Danish was not hit.
Most of these have been not liked by fans.
Where as Wahaj also this year did Mein which commercially was a hit around 14.9 trp and also 14M views and all. Many YouTubers simply not including it in list and now SMD definitely most of fans like his character Bilal and are happy that at least his character is going good and also performed well. trp is average but as per the YouTube views its a hit, not a superhit and super hits happens rarely 2 in a year and all dramas mostly have different actors. Danishs Jaan e Nisar which fetched so many views and was kind of track to get trp still got mostly around 8 trp and even 7 and only at end got more than 10 which is usual for final episodes.
Somehow if its Wahaj project then it gets more criticized and circulated even if its getting decent views and trends of a hit drama. And Wahaj is a versatile actor he would mostly opt variety. So I get why he would have opted Bilals character, the script and slow pace actually made the dram look bad and even the extensive level of criticism y reviewers for views. But at the backend the makers from this would actually know how wahaj can even bring views to bad script so definitely he would get the offers and again I think everything is luck. Actor is a human based on ones thinking one opts something, sometimes will be lucky and sometimes not. Hope he gets and opts better script next.

SMD should be compared with JN (not TCM and ReJ), Humraaz (not Khumaar).

SMD is a mega signature project with high budget, big starcast, heavy promotions, big director, big writer. TCM and ReJ had no-name FL (esp TCM) with low budgets, no promotions. Khumar too wasn't a mega signature project, wasn't heavily promoted nor it had a big writer director attached.

Even if you compare SMD with TCM/ReJ/Khumar, SMD only clearly outperformed TCM (ReJ had much higher YT views and Khumar had much higher TRPs). For Wahaj's mega signature project (which marks his return after TB) to not even outperform low-effort flops of DT and FK is a disaster outcome, whether you like it or not. No wonder Kaddu is back to hyping Feroze.

Comparing TRP

• SMD, TCM and ReJ all had flop TRPs (ave TRP in the 5s). Highest TRP for SMD is 7.6
  
• Khumaar had average TRP (ave TRP in the 7s). Highest was 9.9.
• JN had above-average TRP (ave TRP in the 8s). Highest was 13.7. JN crossed double-digit TRPs 9 times.

Comparing YT views

• JN has blockbuster YT views (approx 30M average)
• ReJ has superhit YT views (approx 18M average)
• SMD has hit YT views (approx 12.5M average)
• Khumar has hit views (approx 11.5M average)
• TCM has hit views (approx 10.5M average)

Originally posted by: dramas_1

I think that haters and some toxic people will just be waiting for a chance for criticizing. so when they find its time they just start and enjoy and I would say that actors should be smart enough to just neglect nonsense people as the actual positivity is more valuable. And when it comes to someone like Danish criticism maybe doesn't come much as no expectation maybe like its ruled out that they will do such roles and loopholes scripts. So toxic people won't find much data to gossip. Yeah hope he gets and opts good project. I also feel even fate and luck matters strongly to land in good project. But again some good projects will not fetch views too and I firmly believe in Wahaj case people will gossip negatively even for that even if its good project. Best is to ignore that bunch of people as such people may get active at any time and point out in social media time.

People talked negatively about MJ's views and trps here too but that show and cast is getting featured left and right in best of categories and will get nominated for awards when time comes. Critical appreciation overshadows flop status in the long run (just look at JBG).

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

You can continue to think so. But to me, numbers don't lie. I always check actors' SM follower #s (and other trends) when they have a hit show on air or when they are being very appreciated for their performance in large enough numbers (not just critics/fans). So I have a sense how these #s evolve when an actor is getting mass aprreciation. And Wahaj's #s are just not evolving like that. Not saying there aren't people appreciating his performance but those #s are not high enough to be called mass appreciation.

Ok trends for SMD definitely will not be TB level. as said its not that interesting drama and also slow paced story isn't everyones cup of tea. There isn't enough viewership for such sad vibes content that too slow pace. Also IMO SM followers also grow more as per how much the star is active too. But Wahaj isn't much active apart form photoshoot uploads or very rare stories, pics. never goes live. Also mostly not showcasing personal stuff which attracts extra followers but frankly those extra followers which one gets via these activities are not the actual actors acting related fans so the exact follwers will not directly relate to actors popularity. Whatever the follwers he has are mainly got by his drama work which is great thing, that's the reason he is so popular and attracts the projects and get the views. He has already reached drama viewers via TB and which increased followers and now its mostly doubt that it will grow to huge number and all. He isn't an active social media person. So what matters is his most of flowers are actual actor fans who watch his dramas. Just increasing it by social media activity will not affect actors popularity it can just make an actor a social media influencer and maybe just trends because of media interaction.

Sajal and Bilal used to get critized a lot in reddit. People changed their opinion about Sajal after ZPKB and Bilal after IM and Maan Jogi. There are more Yumna lovers than haters there. Even if you criticize her acting people there will come at you or will downvote you.

Wahaj just needs to do good project to change his opinion. It will only take one good project. He needs to select project smartly now.

The hate that Maya gets on reddit is heartbreaking.They say some really nasty things about her,nitpicks her every action,s**tshames her and even makes fun of her depression,all of this because she has been friends with Wahaj since last 2 decades.I don't know why they see Maya as a threat to their ship when he has a whole wife lol.Even if they post Bilal and Sadaf pictures on insta they accuse them of cheating and fill their comments with hate.Maya had to take the worst burn,because it has been going on from last 2 years continuously. Even if they share or tag each other on stories about their show they say thar Mahaj should maintain some distance.Like wth.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

Comparing YT views

• JN has blockbuster YT views (approx 30M average)
• ReJ has superhit YT views (approx 18M average)
• SMD has hit YT views (approx 12.5M average)
• Khumar has hit views (approx 11.5M average)
• TCM has hit views (approx 10.5M average)

It's wrong expectation to think big drama will always fetch that level of views like TB or JN. geo has done many such dramas And channels knows that, they can be sure only on hit views because of actor name which Wahaj has anyway brought to them and its proved across channels, one will find only some dramas with super hit and blockbuster level of views no matter how big it is. Also the views it's getting still IMO are lot better. considering even its genre of slow pace pathetic and sad story, its fetching hit views. There is no chance such track will fetch JN or TB kind of views, common sense. And by the way the geo drama which reached globally to next level and which trended and all was TB. None of geo drama still reached that level.

Kaddu knows that its all about the script like gentlemen also was promoted a lot but everything went in vein. so don't overthink. promotion doesn't bring anything in reality. Definitely Wahaj will not work with geo for sometime like even after TB he didn't and after long gap of around a year he was seen. So let SMD end then after a year you can conclude anything. And TRP average may also increase to some more extent by last episodes though. And let me tell you kaddu team should have some basic idea about how many pak TV viewers would not watch the usage of alcohol and all . hence TRP being low is expected. And by the way channel would have already earned from advertising partners and all. IMO SMD drama can't be expected to get views like JN because it's not that kind of plot.