KMTMG Discussions Thread #9 - Page 90

Originally posted by: sugz

Disagree slightly. Restart will lead to same place V A are now. They may have to admit feelings to restart... but if they admit feelings now. There will be little change to V A current position. Virat will be spineless. Babita will still be a problem with cheerleader mother. Amu will still focus on Ahuja problems not her career. Nimmi... wtf

Nimmi- I'm sorry to say 3rd character to be annoying after virat & Amu. Asking today why mom & brother fighting... really nimmi!! Why the f*** are you homeless? Was it a natural disaster or because your witch of a mother? What part of Babita brought Ex back to Ahuja life does she not get? What part of the 45%, did she not hear? @Adiandsid or anyone tell me why does it still frustrate me how writers will to throw entire cast of characters down a mountain for Babita... just why?

Its in relation to the status qua mentioned in the previous post that a separation is really necessary. Split up... show Virat chasing her after an hour or so... show her rejecting him over and over... perhaps have some fall and holds chem scenes in between.

Virat is already spineless. Haven't rewatched so may be i get some specifics wrong, but it looks like he will be relying on her to get back the property. Fans are appreciating 'transformation in Virat' that he is now thinking about her safety... but only after Bhavani mentioned it (which is another story/post)... He doesn't know what to do and perhaps if Dildaar says you will now have to divorce Ammu... he may sulk but he will do so.

He can joke about Babita being rude to her but has to call Vandy karela and extrapolate it to her whole family. [this is a minor aside.] (At least Ammu is consistent here - she doesn't complain about anyone.)

About Nimmi - Ahujas' reactions to anything that happens to them is always so very underwhelming. I as an audience am still stuck at the fact that how very 'wow' (as in idea/event not in execution) it is that Ammu - it is *ing Ammu for Gods sakes!!! - ran towards and into fire and saved Nimmi. And the reaction??? (yeah... it happens) [Feel I have to check how people reacted in the parallel scene in kkb.]

In a way, it would've been bad if the Ahujas were shown reacting to this in a worser way compared to the clip incident.

I see Ammu as 'useful' for the Ahujas... may be on the side Virat does 'love' her. When it comes to her v/s family he will chose the family - he hasn't convinced me otherwise. If ammu were to ask him me or family... a) she wont ask it cause she isn't that kind of a person, b) if she does he will chose family. [Hope Priyanka 'cant hold my head still' Bajwa is taking notes.]

Originally posted by: Ishaan2

By the way u told about a bts where he was shirtless and hugging her from back is it true???

I knew it you will be stuck on this scene.It was written on script only, didn't see any bts about this scene but the way you are so much excited with this scene, they can change it and will not give it in episodeControl dear control

Ammu's delusion. When Bhavani says 'Babs will blame you and say things to you' she goes 'but then I will talk back right?' well... ek baar karke dikhao behen!!!! please!!!! I will applaud you if you do it. Jab baat karne pe aati hai to sanskaari aur maunvratdhaari ban jaati ho.

[To the writers: jo chewing gum aap log chaba rahe ho, woh ab pathar ban chuka hai... thook do aur doosra chewing gum lo.]

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Hadn't noticed. "priyanka ne inn sab se inki property, inka ghar inka pisa sab kuch cheen liya hai'. not 'hum' sab se and 'humara'. What's with this disconnect? Or why that difference? Does she go 'mera' only when she is pushed to the corner?

[not relevant side note(?)... why is property 'inki' and ghar, paisa 'inka'? or why is one feminine and the other masculine?]

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Hadn't noticed. "priyanka ne inn sab se inki property, inka ghar inka pisa sab kuch cheen liya hai'. not 'hum' sab se and 'humara'. What's with this disconnect? Or why that difference? Does she go 'mera' only when she is pushed to the corner?

[not relevant side note(?)... why is property 'inki' and ghar, paisa 'inka'? or why is one feminine and the other masculine?]

1st Para: She's hopelessly and deeply in love without her realization and that's why she doesn't understand what she say and why she do.She's a confusion soul like her husbandYesterday her saying Bhavani "aab toh use parivar bhi mera hai" triggered meSo she already accept the marriage without her realization?When two confusion soul fall for each other,then their actions and words are north pole and south pole.

Unclear yet clear para(): I think here she meant 'inki' for Nimrit as property was in her name and 'inka' for Virat and Dildar as paisa are their hard working mehnat

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

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Hadn't noticed. "priyanka ne inn sab se inki property, inka ghar inka pisa sab kuch cheen liya hai'. not 'hum' sab se and 'humara'. What's with this disconnect? Or why that difference? Does she go 'mera' only when she is pushed to the corner?

[not relevant side note(?)... why is property 'inki' and ghar, paisa 'inka'? or why is one feminine and the other masculine?]

Side note: Hindi as a language is confusing with the gender type assignment to non-living things, even for native Hindi speakers 😄

I want to start with your 3rd para Babita badness make virat look good & he dont answer for his mistakes. I will fully agree with this & maybe even wont respond if before Janmashtami. There remains 2 problems I have on this response. As usual the issue is not what the writers have done but how they executed their thought & timing.

1) There is no redemption after babs aware Ex tried to murder but still collaborate with her. Babita heard Ex response after Janmashtami. "You told me to whatever it takes"... it got worse after to more murder attempts with Nimmi almost dying & babita knew. All shows have villians & didn’t call out babita character when she paid to hurt or make life miserable to Amu like the goons chase in the forrest & leaked pictures. These plans can continue but knowing of your owns childrens killing & encourage IS A BIG PROBLEM. 2) writers since Ex arrival over used Babs plans as Ex had no one to speak to. They should have put master mind babita in background so we dont get sick of her. Kishori is good actor & villian but now used too much without break & crimes written for babs too far evil

Summary: There must be a way for babita to keep V A close but apart without ruin of leads character... it was done on most Ex plans before date night where V A weren'truined much. Date night ruined Virat character then post exposure ruined Amu character. Yourcrespinse to me maybe V A characters dodnt make sense at the time. Well now V A characters dont make sense and ruined. Fine if they ruin V A characters. But why nimmi, dildar or Bhavani. That is not acceptable dragging side characters down.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

My take: To maintain the status qua of VA relationship - close but apart.

[But the problem for me is the status qua sucks because of the way he "married" her.]

What happens if Babs is shown regretting (fake or real)? If she accepts Ammu as her dil (fake or real)? Will Ammu have no reservations and run to Virat and say 'lets start making babies?' May be... or may be Ammu will have to confront the question "this is the same guy who did that to me... am I really willing to go ahead in a relationship with him? Are bygones really bygones?. Just like Bhavani-Vandy are pushing her closer to Virat, Babita is playing the same role. take away what they do and its likely Amruta will hate what Virat did.

Like mentioned before Babs' 'badness' is shielding Virat's. Ammu can look at Virat as 'good' only because Babs is worse. Say, if they introduce a new guy for her - he will be psycho too... so that Virat appears 'relatively / even obviously better'. Take away a couple of dialogues from Gautam... he would be the obvious better choice.

2nd para. This is brilliant understanding. My post above still must be taken into account. if Babs acceots V A fake or not there must be some accountability for babs if not marally but to restore other characters reputations. Thanks for sharing it. However I think that it must end. What will Amu do? So writers want this couple together. Writers will have to go through with Virat character development. Look at yesterday episode. It was well received & boost TRP which is needed now. Amu needs to wake up too. She hasn't suspected babita since exposure & always needs to keep an eye on her reminding virat who babs is. I dont understand why Virat reminds Amu what babita done but Amu defends her

How they got married is problem- I think correcting immediately is no sense. There needs to be admission of feelings & understanding of babita situation before the correction. I dont think creators are capable of understanding how a married V A can defeat villians... they dont have the ability to write for side characters to point where V A come in at end of side characters trouble to help. It appears writers have thought A married & united V A will result in loss of interest from viewers so we must delay it... instead of writing my suggestion in sentence before this

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

My take: To maintain the status qua of VA relationship - close but apart.

[But the problem for me is the status qua sucks because of the way he "married" her.]

What happens if Babs is shown regretting (fake or real)? If she accepts Ammu as her dil (fake or real)? Will Ammu have no reservations and run to Virat and say 'lets start making babies?' May be... or may be Ammu will have to confront the question "this is the same guy who did that to me... am I really willing to go ahead in a relationship with him? Are bygones really bygones?. Just like Bhavani-Vandy are pushing her closer to Virat, Babita is playing the same role. take away what they do and its likely Amruta will hate what Virat did.

Like mentioned before Babs' 'badness' is shielding Virat's. Ammu can look at Virat as 'good' only because Babs is worse. Say, if they introduce a new guy for her - he will be psycho too... so that Virat appears 'relatively / even obviously better'. Take away a couple of dialogues from Gautam... he would be the obvious better choice.

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Originally posted by: sugz

I want to start with your 3rd para Babita badness make virat look good & he dont answer for his mistakes. I will fully agree with this & maybe even wont respond if before Janmashtami. There remains 2 problems I have on this response. As usual the issue is not what the writers have done but how they executed their thought & timing.

1) There is no redemption after babs aware Ex tried to murder but still collaborate with her. Babita heard Ex response after Janmashtami. "You told me to whatever it takes"... it got worse after to more murder attempts with Nimmi almost dying & babita knew. All shows have villians & didn’t call out babita character when she paid to hurt or make life miserable to Amu like the goons chase in the forrest & leaked pictures. These plans can continue but knowing of your owns childrens killing & encourage IS A BIG PROBLEM. 2) writers since Ex arrival over used Babs plans as Ex had no one to speak to. They should have put master mind babita in background so we dont get sick of her.

Summary: There must be a way for babita to keep V A close but apart without ruin of leads character... it was done on most Ex plans before date night where V A weren'truined much. Date night ruined Virat character then post exposure ruined Amu character. Yourcrespinse to me maybe V A characters dodnt make sense at the time. Well now V A characters dont make sense and ruined. Fine if they ruin V A characters. But why nimmi, dildar or Bhavani. That is not acceptable dragging side characters down.

Bold: If I were the one taking over after the clip incident, I'd have made Babs show regret and apologise to Ammu, Virat, and the rest of the family, deal with ex in the bg to get rid of Ammu. If they want to drag it till Navratri - some 5-10 eps, I'd have had Vandy and Bhavani raise their objections, Ammu too having reservations about going ahead with him because of the mela, but all leading to the near confession during navratri and then kidnapping.

After kidnapping I'll have Ammu blamed again by Babs and somehow make Virat silent or speak up something against Vandy / (perhaps even Bhavani)... which pisses Ammu off... leading her to say something mean that really hurts Virat and he tells her to buzz off or her doing it. After she leaves ex will come up with the property demand. [The italics part was somehow important... more important than the Devi shooting an arrow at the Asura theme they overdid.]

If on the other hand Babs doesn't fake it after the clip incident, I'll have Virat question himself as to what he can do and decide to move away with Ammu. Babs can accuse her of 'breaking her family' by this move. Something Ammu wont like too, going by her nature. VA may decide to get married... but before that the kidnapping will happen the same way... can lead to the same outcome mentioned above - somehow get Ammu blamed. [Them wanting to get married is a better reason for Babs to give 45% to ex.]

Main thing as in the current state was Ammu had to be kept away from this 'poverty' phase of theirs. [She can be the one who 'gifts' it back to them later.] I'll also say, uske rehte huve, this shouldn't have happened - because of something they showed in the earlier eps. So effectively, they went "forget foreshadowing, forget archetypes, we do what we want" ... they can ... but the result wont be as good. Somethings are archetypes (and somethings are foreshadowed) for a reason - disrespect / disregard it and you are likely to fall flat in your writing.

Babs being his mother, there were only two ways - either show regret (fake/real) or Virat to move away. This third option they chose doesn't go well at all.