KMTMG Discussions Thread #9 - Page 82

Originally posted by: sugz

@sam -see point 2. I'm not challenging you or saying you wrong but want to understand more. Are you suggesting producers limit or control the show in a way to keep TRP at a certain point? Pls tell me more

An impression I get from your question is 'the producers deliberately manipulate the show to keep it at a certain point (say 1.0 or 0.9)'. I don't think that happens or may be it does. Reminded of the football club Arsenal, who almost never win the EPL , cause their goal is to end on the top 4, to qualify for the Eu Champions league... and thus keep the revenue flowing. [At least this used to be the case, don't know if things have changed.] So fans who are waiting for them to win the EPL - may have to wait for another lifetime.

Perhaps there is a parallel here too - be the 4th after the three Bhagyas... you are doing fine enough. May be that's what the instruction from the channel is - 'stay fourth / top 4 is fine enough'. Deliberately underplaying the show or eps will be akin to Arsenal deliberately losing a match so that they dont go 3rd ... both of which, at least in a fair world, is not likely to happen. More likely that they know 'keep it around 1.0' and frame the ep / week in that way... nothing too fancy ... nothing too logical... just keep it going the way it does ... 'itna kaafi hai'... 'no need to bang our heads to do/get better'.

I'm too lazy to explain X post. so inserted link below. Just a dumb thought... is it possible writers have an objective with Amu defense on Babita? Maybe she is trying to show everything virat accused Amu was a lie. Later will be realisation from virat that Amus done more for him & he was wrong all the time. He has nothing to offer Amu so let her go. An apology or correction for Mela will never come .Amu will stay meaning its all forgotten

https://x.com/Itswarnali/status/1852048697615585633

Originally posted by: Pyaarasam

She wants him toh phir kyun chodha yaar. Is she a s*. Maaf kare but that the feeling I have now, kabhi V or kabhi koi aur then again V 🤢🤢🤮

Mujhe bhi maaf kare that I'm doing character assassinate her but her behaviour forcing me to do so.

Now I'm really thinking why she left him even after separated him from family,got money,love, respect everything from him?Is it because he was busy in business that he didn't give enough time to give her ha*dc*re se*ual pleasure and so she was frustrated, unsatisfied and left him and then immediately moved on with her ex bf? Writers indirectly gave us many clue too if we notice: that pink fluffy handcuffs, hamare bich chupane wali kiya hi hai,tumhe jo karna hai mere sath karo uss Amruta ke sath nhi, and also when Virat danced with Amruta to remind her about cough syrup night, they were so close but she didn't able to watch their closeness and disturbed them out of jealousy.So these are indirectly hint that she's s*x addicted and want him for pleasure too.

Look still it's not revealed why their divorce happened actually and I think for this reason still she's in the serial.I think there will be a track related this where it will be revealed why she left him.And I think for this reason we still get AmVira lollipop scenes only,not that type of romance.And if you observe Virat,he always hesitate and nervous during their (AmVira's) closeness moments.I think something about s*x related track will happen as our MD is so fond of romance (though we still didn't find any kind of romance in her own serial).

Originally posted by: sugz

I'm too lazy to explain X post. so inserted link below. Just a dumb thought... is it possible writers have an objective with Amu defense on Babita? Maybe she is trying to show everything virat accused Amu was a lie. Later will be realisation from virat that Amus done more for him & he was wrong all the time. He has nothing to offer Amu so let her go. An apology or correction for Mela will never come .Amu will stay meaning its all forgotten

https://x.com/Itswarnali/status/1852048697615585633

Unless they are just doing things to add episodes, I have it that they are deliberate in what they show Virat and Amruta are doing. Need to see where they are going with this though.

Blue: I wont say 'she is' trying. To me, she is being who she is. More likely the 'writers are' trying to show everything Virat accused Ammu of is a lie.

The realisation part you mention, I think he has already realised that - or on the verge of it. [Another parallel / comparison with being thrown out of the house... and Bhavani offering them to stay at their place (rather, Jahan's place) and what they did when the reverse happened.]

Bold: I am really curious to know why you framed it this way. Have seen Sam framing it in a similar way at least twice (repeat offender). So makes me wonder 'whats going on here?' Is it because its an easier way to put it? That's possible, cause how else can I frame it too?... cause there is an angle which makes this framing quite questionable - and that goes with the view I posted around him giving her the annulment papers, both the times. And if I am not wrong, I was the one who raised the red flag about the move and complained about it the most too. [And also feel that the writers missed / overlooked the angle.] Some took it as his act of correcting a wrong / redemption, which I don't agree with.

Originally posted by: sugz

How to respond? Yes something has to change. Predicting how is getting more difficult as they keep adding villians. Nobody likes it. Twitter fans say they dont like it but keep quiet so show dont get cancelled & Theres many people working on show needing work that listen to fans but nothing changes. Tell me how they listen to fans if nothing changes except more villians that unite?

That's a very defeatist attitude!

If we do not provide feedback, positive or negative, then scope of improvement becomes nil. Be it any field, arts/ science, feedback is what helps in improving us.

If we applaud everything that is served to us, then people will become complacent with mediocrity and that would be the point when deterioration begins!

Warning @Adiandsid some this post you wont like. Since you dont like framing of 'let her go'. I will speak about that before part you dont like. Its understood from Amu history that virat has forced his will on her in past. Making her miserable when Amu speaks against virat mom, blocking on the jobs & disgusting force marriage. What is meant by framing let her go? - no I have not submitted to thinking virat is the man in control of everything. Strong & rich so he can do what he wants.

Consider even victims... I dont like that word... survivors of domestic abuse/ rape have to let their abuser go. I've spoken to women who had therapy & abuser has hold on you in a very bad way. YOU HAVE TO LET THEM GO! - letting go is not only agressor type thing. Personally this can happen with friends... there is an argument & end up not speaking. You know from many times making contact with them friendship can resume. Its not necessarily repaired. In few weeks or months there can be same personality disagreement. After 5 or 10 times of this cycle. 1 friend has to be brave & not make contact. Let them go

@Adiandsid part you wont like. Virat has had emotional hold on Amu even before force marriage similar to friends example I mentioned above. Amu was in more control before force marriage. Virat has emotional hold on her is reason why they speak after dew day/ weeks forget everything fast when they together again... it happens in real life relationships too. In summary- when I said let Amu go in my post... I really meant it. Virat will decide not to contact or seek her out. He wont pull on Amu emotions. This is impossible living next door by seperate wing. 1 will have to move away but no messaging or calls will occur. He will have to resist contacting her. Its not about virat dominant past but Virat is the needy 1 for Amu mostly. His need for Amu. He must let it go & her go

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Unless they are just doing things to add episodes, I have it that they are deliberate in what they show Virat and Amruta are doing. Need to see where they are going with this though.

Blue: I wont say 'she is' trying. To me, she is being who she is. More likely the 'writers are' trying to show everything Virat accused Ammu of is a lie.

The realisation part you mention, I think he has already realised that - or on the verge of it. [Another parallel / comparison with being thrown out of the house... and Bhavani offering them to stay at their place (rather, Jahan's place) and what they did when the reverse happened.]

Bold: I am really curious to know why you framed it this way. Have seen Sam framing it in a similar way at least twice (repeat offender). So makes me wonder 'whats going on here?' Is it because its an easier way to put it? That's possible, cause how else can I frame it too?... cause there is an angle which makes this framing quite questionable - and that goes with the view I posted around him giving her the annulment papers, both the times. And if I am not wrong, I was the one who raised the red flag about the move and complained about it the most too. [And also feel that the writers missed / overlooked the angle.] Some took it as his act of correcting a wrong / redemption, which I don't agree with.

I agree, esp with the first two paragraps, but like what you mentioned in the second paragraph, its Ammu who has to let go... not Virat.

Disagreement with the third paragraph is its not Virat's job to do it - goes with the eg you gave in the 2nd para too. Even if he realises he has messed up her life. He can stay aloof, not have these chem scenes. Let her remove and wear the earing / pendant if she wants. Dont intervene. It is Ammu who has to let go... not Virat. If he regrets marrying her... he has to live with it, until she chooses to let go off him.

Doing it any way otherwise, is (i dont get the word... lets say, in the least, I will show him the finger). He is not being mahaan. The "marriage" continues only because of Ammu and ends when she wants it to end... He has lost control over it. If her presence makes him feel lowly and not good enough... bingo... he has to bear it. Same way, if her presence and things happening to her, makes him feel guilty. bear it. protect her. That's the redemption for his 'wonderful' act of marrying her.

So... I'll still disagree with the framing he is to 'let her go'... but that's fine too. [no issues in agreeing to disagree.]

PS: [I havent considered his 'needy' part well enough... but on the face of it, right now I'd say it shouldnt matter what he 'feels'... what he has done is bad enough to say 'If you are feeling needy... deal with it... no one cares.']

I must be fair @Riggy to explain to you full cause & result of X post. Cause of the X bickering. 1 user wanted TRP to decrease upset & got much abuse for it. Another user came to back TRP argument up. This user 2 said creators are not listening. user 2 very ideologically said fans must make TRP fall for few weeks till creators listen... in attempt to rescue show

Result - The response by blindly loyal fans to above suggestion from user 2 was the jobs story. blind faith actors & producers listen to viewers. It appears user 2 backed their argument up in post early today. They asked if TRP idea dont work. Suggest way to make creators listen to protect everone jobs... what is creators responsibility

Why am i triggered if not my post? Im shocked at narrow minded replies from real people. Why can they complain when they want but silence others? Can they prove Producers & actors listen to comments- NO! - the product speaks for itself.

Originally posted by: Riggy

That's a very defeatist attitude!

If we do not provide feedback, positive or negative, then scope of improvement becomes nil. Be it any field, arts/ science, feedback is what helps in improving us.

If we applaud everything that is served to us, then people will become complacent with mediocrity and that would be the point when deterioration begins!

Pls understand my intent is not to have last word. This post has challenged me. In 2nd para I spoke about a victim/ survivors. I dont associate Amu with either. I gave it as example to illustrate its not only agressor who lets go.

Virat appears to be master manipulator as you mentioned forcing the earings& pendant. Reason I dont say Amu is victim.... because deep breath- another difficult topic I hoped to avoid. Moulding. Virat has not moulded amu to care but manipulated her current personality & beleifs to keep going back to her as he wants... even though Amu is not victim. How does she stop helping which is in her personality... turn off her attachment for nimmi & dildar. Its similar to her defense for Ishika at pregnancy reveal. Virat uses the same personality to pull Amu towards him.

I know users will say based on my above para. I should not be mad Amu defends Babita. Its Amu personality. No no. Virat is different. Virat is more worthy to receive Amu good personality than babita. Virat saved Amu few times & showed care for Amu family incl Bhavani before force marriage.

Summary. I agree Amu can also let virat go but its difficult in terms of her personality. Its not bacause shes a victim. Going forward I will be careful with words as a middle ground in not exactly disagreeing but just have different views which is ok. Middle ground is changing words from let her go to V A let eo go

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

I agree, esp with the first two paragraps, but like what you mentioned in the second paragraph, its Ammu who has to let go... not Virat.

Disagreement with the third paragraph is its not Virat's job to do it - goes with the eg you gave in the 2nd para too. Even if he realises he has messed up her life. He can stay aloof, not have these chem scenes. Let her remove and wear the earing / pendant if she wants. Dont intervene. It is Ammu who has to let go... not Virat. If he regrets marrying her... he has to live with it, until she chooses to let go off him.

Doing it any way otherwise, is (i dont get the word... lets say, in the least, I will show him the finger). He is not being mahaan. The "marriage" continues only because of Ammu and ends when she wants it to end... He has lost control over it. If her presence makes him feel lowly and not good enough... bingo... he has to bear it. Same way, if her presence and things happening to her, makes him feel guilty. bear it. protect her. That's the redemption for his 'wonderful' act of marrying her.

So... I'll still disagree with the framing he is to 'let her go'... but that's fine too. [no issues in agreeing to disagree.]

Please see edit to above post. It explains possible hypocrisy from me. This is my edit or explanation in responses to para 2 of quoted post.

I know users will say based on my above para. I should not be mad Amu defends Babita. Its Amu personality. No no. Virat is different. Virat is more worthy to receive Amu good personality than babita. Virat saved Amu few times & showed care for Amu family incl Bhavani before force marriage.

Originally posted by: sugz

Pls understand my intent is not to have last word. This post has challenged me. In 2nd para I spoke about a victim/ survivors. I dont associate Amu with either. I gave it as example to illustrate its not only agressor who lets go.

Virat appears to be master manipulator as you mentioned forcing the earings& pendant. Reason I dont say Amu is victim.... because deep breath- another difficult topic I hoped to avoid. Moulding. Virat has not moulded amu to care but manipulated her current personality & beleifs to keep going back to her as he wants... even though Amu is not victim. How does she stop helping which is in her personality... turn off her attachment for nimmi & dildar. Its similar to her defense for Ishika at pregnancy reveal. Virat uses the same personality to pull Amu towards him.

I know users will say based on my above para. I should not be mad Amu defends Babita. Its Amu personality. No no. Virat is different. Virat is more worthy to receive Amu good personality than babita. Virat saved Amu few times & showed care for Amu family incl Bhavani before force marriage.

Summary. I agree Amu can also let virat go but its difficult in terms of her personality. Its not bacause shes a victim. Going forward I will be careful with words as a middle ground in not exactly disagreeing but just have different views which is ok. Middle ground is changing words from let her go to V A let eo go