"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #4 [DT Note Pg 132] - Page 124

Originally posted by: tgota92

I just shifted here sorry 🙈

Seemed like an ongoing discussion lol

I’m so glad you agree about Zaid and how I feel about him 👍

Even though everything is revolving around Ayra and all characters are simply reacting,I think every character needs to break free of their Mein.I am not invested in Zaid's character that much but come on man,he is the ML! He needs his moment of shining as well.That will come when he stands up to his father.Today it needs to be for Ayra,tomorrow maybe for himself.He doesn’t need to be a Murtasim IMO because he is just not that person but being verbally very assertive will also do for me.Not in a way which makes us think that he is doing it to assuage his guilt or anything else.

Oh he doesn’t need to be a Murtasim at all. I was just saying that level of assertiveness is ideal so nobody messes with you and someone you care about. But literally anything Zaid gives at this point is a win. Because he has just been buried in debt to MJ and asif and is just being a yes man to them for so long. I’m tired.

If he’s still living with his dad by the end of this drama, he’s the sorriest hero that ever heroed lol. His dad literally supported his wife’s molester 🤷‍♀️ Something has to give and soon

Originally posted by: tgota92

Oh he doesn’t need to be a Murtasim at all. I was just saying that level of assertiveness is ideal so nobody messes with you and someone you care about. But literally anything Zaid gives at this point is a win. Because he has just been buried in debt to MJ and asif and is just being a yes man to them for so long. I’m tired.

If he’s still living with his dad by the end of this drama, he’s the sorriest hero that ever heroed lol. His dad literally supported his wife’s molester 🤷‍♀️ Something has to give and soon

Originally posted by: G259

Don't be sorry.I think the thread has been made in advance but since we were tagged everyone shifted here😅.

Even though everything is revolving around Ayra and all characters are simply reacting,I think every character needs to break free of their Mein.I am not invested in Zaid's character that much but come on man,he is the ML! He needs his moment of shining as well.That will come when he stands up to his father.Today it needs to be for Ayra,tomorrow maybe for himself.He doesn’t need to be a Murtasim IMO because he is just not that person but being verbally very assertive will also do for me.Not in a way which makes us think that he is doing it to assuage his guilt or anything else.

So my biggest disagreement in this is that I feel Ayra was always like this. It isn’t something that just happened because of her circumstances. Yes Ayra has been through a lot. Obviously I haven’t been through what she has but I have lost a sibling and it has changed me forever. Trauma is real, I get it. It’s just that the characteristics were always present in Ayra. What more can Zaid do to protect her? Besides the Rayyan thing which I agree with. He literally does whatever she wants. I don’t think Zaid thought Ayra was at risk at home. Ayra didn’t either or she wouldn’t have been instigating Asif, she would have gone to her bhabi’s. I do think Ayra deserves justice and I do think she’s been wronged. I’m not denying that. I just don’t think Zaid has been a terrible partner to her. To MJ, yes he has but not to Ayra. I already mentioned in another post that Murtasim had much more power than Zaid so they can’t be compared. Actually no one can compare to Murtasim in my opinion - he’s like a dream, lol. What is the bullying that he needs to stand up to? MJ’s being nice whether that is fake or real. His father is rude but Ayra usually still gets what she wants. What bullying has happened in front of Zaid for him to aggressively stand up for her? Zaid is always by her side. Her derailing is not excuse enough for me when the behaviour was always present from before.

I’m not saying Zaid isn’t problematic, they all are. It’s just that he has always been on the giving side of this relationship from before any these problems. I only highlight Ayra’s issues because she never sees her own fault in anything. She’s always playing the blame game.

Zaid the boyfriend was better than anyone else lol, this is another commentary on how boys do so much for their girlfriends but nothing for wife. Ayra would ask him to leave everything to her back then too, when her brother was hospitalized she asked him to go back to house when his father called, he wasn't leaving but she asks him to go and he said he'll leave a friend there to help her.

Zaid the husband wouldn't call Ayra's bhabhi to make sure she is okay, this after she has been untraceable for 3 days

If Ayra didn't pick up his phone in office, he didn't pick her phone in front of Kashmala and his family. They both called each other whenever they could

Ayra and Zaid's position is different, Zaid works for his father, none will say anything to him if he leaves office or spends his time talking to his girlfriend. Ayra can't afford that, she was working in a cubicle and had financial strain. She doesn't have parents, she always felt she was bojh on her brother.

Zaid is a man who took trip to some country because he needed a haircut?

He wanted Ayra to join his company so they can romance, Ayra denied when she was girlfriend because it was wrong. She agreed as his wife because she felt whatever Zaid gives her, is hers

But when MJ joined it, the company wasn't Zaid's. The salary Ayra would get will come from MJ, the power imbalance here was extreme and it wasn't like MJ joined out of commitment for work, Ayra heard MJ talking about joining to company to put her down

Ayra joined rival group after she heard MJ and Asif plotting against her

Ayra was working for Zaid's rivals but what you don't see is that Zaid was working for Ayra's rivals. The old man Fakkhar was nicer to Ayra than his family has ever been, when Zaid's wife framed Ayra by sending email in her name, Fakkhar could have taken legal action against her but he didn't, this was the personal relationship they shared.

The contract showed you diffrence between life of Ayra, Zaid and MJ.

Ayra was working late for her project, Zaid was at home because they had a team to work on the contract and MJ was ordering designer clothes

I don't buy that Zaid went to MJ's room because he wanted to spend time with her because he actually didn't spend any time with her. He was watching television then slept also told Ayra in clear words that it was his reaction to her actions. Why people keep romanticising his problematic traits not paying attention to his dialogues which are the only way we can get his perspective?

Do you think MJ getting the contract in underhanded way will be exposed?My guess is that it won't though I want it to.If it gets exposed,things will sour between Zaid and MJ again.Even if they aren't endgame,I have a feeling that they won't have a bitter end.

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

So my biggest disagreement in this is that I feel Ayra was always like this. It isn’t something that just happened because of her circumstances. Yes Ayra has been through a lot.

I don’t disagree that she wasn’t difficult. She’s always been the difficult one in their relationship but Zaid was fine with that. He accepted her flaws and I don’t see that as an issue - there’s always going to be one person who is more giving. It’s normal. Ayra’s problem for me is her taking Zaid for granted. But let’s come back to Zaid not understanding Ayra.

You take this difficult person like you said. Someone who was always like this. Sprinkle some trauma and put that person in a triggering situation with constant reminders of that trauma, with the only ally being at the mercy of her tormentor - and you’ll have the Ayra we are seeing. She actually acted MUCH better in the beginning than was expected. Most of us thought she’d jump right into revenge but her breakdown was gradual. She actually wanted to try but then it became obvious that it would never work out. Hence the petty outbursts, the helplessness, the rebellion. She’s in a situation she can’t control and what she could control - escaping and getting a job - was taken away as well. Any normal person would derail and start feeling lonely here , and this was Ayra - who is always ready to make it about her. My issue is that Zaid needed to be more understanding of her state of mind than he was - WHY she’s doing what she’s doing - instead of him taking it as a slight on her behalf. I think he just didn’t get the whole picture when it comes to what she was going through mentally. Ayra has to look out for herself because Zaid’s position in the house is not strong enough for him to do that for her. Remember when she told him tum rehne do, main Khud asif uncle se baat kerti hoon? She wanted to handle it herself. Her faith in Zaid is just not there 🤷‍♀️

Yes it’s a situation of their own making but in the current scenario, she’s just trying to survive while keeping her self respect intact. And in her head being away from people who hate her is the way to go. If her joining the rivals was to “show asif” she would have done something sinister with the rivals but she didn’t. She just wanted to prove her skills and worth and win the contract fair and square. Which she did. So Ayra makes these dumb foolish decisions but her intention is not malice but looking out for herself. And her prioritising herself and her security over what Zaid would think is in line with her character.

I’m well aware of Ayra’s faults and issues. But I’ll come back to what I said before: Ayra exists to test Zaid and MJ’s characters. NOT the other way around. She is the plot around which the other characters stories revolve. What happens with her is what creates opportunities for reactions and shifts in dynamics.

When it comes to Zaid and Ayra’s relationship I’ll always be looking at how Zaid can do better because as the ML he has to sell that role. His stance should be extremely clear when it comes to this relationship - which is a stepping stone for his future relationship. So it’s important for him to do better than be a passive bystander. Just standing by someone in name isn’t enough. He has to find his voice so we can buy the sincerity. Getting confused, conflicted and moping around doesn’t cut it. This is the perfect opportunity for him to spring into action. Let’s see how he does

Originally posted by: tgota92

I don’t disagree that she wasn’t difficult. She’s always been the difficult one in their relationship but Zaid was fine with that. He accepted her flaws and I don’t see that as an issue - there’s always going to be one person who is more giving. It’s normal. Ayra’s problem for me is her taking Zaid for granted. But let’s come back to Zaid not understanding Ayra.

You take this difficult person like you said. Someone who was always like this. Sprinkle some trauma and put that person in a triggering situation with constant reminders of that trauma, with the only ally being at the mercy of her tormentor - and you’ll have the Ayra we are seeing. She actually acted MUCH better in the beginning than was expected. Most of us thought she’d jump right into revenge but her breakdown was gradual. She actually wanted to try but then it became obvious that it would never work out. Hence the petty outbursts, the helplessness, the rebellion. She’s in a situation she can’t control and what she could control - escaping and getting a job - was taken away as well. Any normal person would derail and start feeling lonely here , and this was Ayra - who is always ready to make it about her. My issue is that Zaid needed to be more understanding of her state of mind than he was - WHY she’s doing what she’s doing - instead of him taking it as a slight on her behalf. I think he just didn’t get the whole picture when it comes to what she was going through mentally. Ayra has to look out for herself because Zaid’s position in the house is not strong enough for him to do that for her. Remember when she told him tum rehne do, main Khud asif uncle se baat kerti hoon? She wanted to handle it herself. Her faith in Zaid is just not there 🤷‍♀️

Yes it’s a situation of their own making but in the current scenario, she’s just trying to survive while keeping her self respect intact. And in her head being away from people who hate her is the way to go. If her joining the rivals was to “show asif” she would have done something sinister with the rivals but she didn’t. She just wanted to prove her skills and worth and win the contract fair and square. Which she did. So Ayra makes these dumb foolish decisions but her intention is not malice but looking out for herself. And her prioritising herself and her security over what Zaid would think is in line with her character.

I’m well aware of Ayra’s faults and issues. But I’ll come back to what I said before: Ayra exists to test Zaid and MJ’s characters. NOT the other way around. She is the plot around which the other characters stories revolve. What happens with her is what creates opportunities for reactions and shifts in dynamics.

When it comes to Zaid and Ayra’s relationship I’ll always be looking at how Zaid can do better because as the ML he has to sell that role. His stance should be extremely clear when it comes to this relationship - which is a stepping stone for his future relationship. So it’s important for him to do better than be a passive bystander. Just standing by someone in name isn’t enough. He has to find his voice so we can buy the sincerity. Getting confused, conflicted and moping around doesn’t cut it. This is the perfect opportunity for him to spring into action. Let’s see how he does

Originally posted by: G259

Do you think MJ getting the contract in underhanded way will be exposed?My guess is that it won't though I want it to.If it gets exposed,things will sour between Zaid and MJ again.Even if they aren't endgame,I have a feeling that they won't have a bitter end.

It all comes down to how they earn their endgame. For me this information is vital for Zaid to have. And for him to make his decision and choose MJ despite having the dirt on her. That scheme was the most direct MJ has ever been in trying to wrong Ayra and Zaid does deserve to know.

But given how fast the writing moves from one big issue to the even bigger issue every week, I doubt it’ll happen. So again, endgame has to be earned, not just handed to us lol. And keeping this important information out and not showing how Zaid deals with it/accepts it is a disservice