My thoughts on Akshara and the story - Page 2

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I know this post is about Akshara and how Abhimanyu alone is the one who needs to improve himself as a person, redeem himself as a person😆.....but I can't help but ask the basic question about this leap yet again......how is it ok to ERASE a father's very EXISTENCE from his child's life? That is unforgivable, period. No amount of trauma, grief, anger, grudges can justify such an action. On top of that the effortless lying and building a life around lies....no matter how much people try to justify that as "Akshara building a peaceful existence away from her previous heartbreak", it doesn't erase the fact that she has built it at the cost of erasing a father from his child's life and setting her child up for a clear identity crisis.

The fundamental thing missing from any essay defending Akshara's actions is the fact that lies can never lead to any good.....they always come back to bite you and destroy whatever you think you have built in "serenity". That serenity is a mirage that has come at the cost of lies and it will inevitably fade like any mirage.....so no matter how much Akshara tries to claim that Abhimanyu is threatening her new peaceful life and the "family" she's built, it won't change the fact that she built it all on a fundamental lie. And it becomes all the more unforgivable when she KNOWS that Abhimanyu is also shattered over losing their children....she let him think for 6 years that he lost both his children and erased his existence from his own child's life so effectively that now no matter what he does, his child will never think of him as his father. People have a lot to say about the second divorce and the irrevocable damage of those actions.....yes, a divorce is monumental in breaking a relationship but it doesn't erase your very existence as a person.....what Akshara did was ERASE Abhimanyu's existence as a father from his son's life and happily handed it to someone else. No matter how hurt or heartbroken she felt, this is beyond the pale. And Abhimanyu is right when he said she did it to punish him....or she would feel even a little pang when she saw father-son together after so many years.....but she has literally convinced herself that the man she MADE the child with is IMMATERIAL because she THINKS so😆. Even people who never loved each other but created a kid together would have more regard for each other atleast as parents. But Akshara can't even manage that one because her self righteous lying is in a league of its own.

Anyways at the end of the day, Akshara is living a delusion....the fact that she feels the need to punish Abhimanyu to this day by revoking his stature as a father from Abhir's life shows that she is not over him....all her chirpy jumping around in Kasauli is escapism pro max. Everything loops back to the same point....escapism and lying will never let you build a life long term....what she is doing with Abhinav is not moving on, it's escapism, pure and simple. And sadly it's ruining many lives in the process. Everyone has a lot to say about Abhi's temper, his rashness etc. etc....but at the end of the day, he tries his best to live his truths in whatever situation he is in. He doesn't gloat over his lies the way Akshara does.

I mainly wrote about Ak because I often see misjudgements of her character but I do emphatise with AbhiM and I feel like we have very different perspectives that it would be hard to understand or come to an agreement lol

Anyways its been shown constantly and I have said in my post too that Akshara hid Abhir's truth cuz she feared he will be snatched away from her. And she was right, not only is the show proving her right by showing it, she literally says this to Manjari who with her silence agrees that she would have. AbhiM and Manjari have admitted multiple times that they would have run to AK if they knew about the kid. Not for her. She knew that they would take her kid away from her and we all know how Gks are to expect anything from them.

As for making AbhiN as Abhir's father, again like I said in my post, the main reason is so that Abhir wont long for a father and there wont ever be a chance for her kid to be taken away from her[her biggest fear]. Not to punish AbhiM. If she wanted to punish she could have filled Abhir's mind against AbhiM so that he hates him.

The only person she is answerable to is Abhir. So many adoptive families dont tell the truth to the kid, she was hoping to do that. But when he will know, how he would react depends on how he finds out, and how it will be handled by others. If his parents handle him well, he wont have an identity crisis.

Originally posted by: SereneWorld

I mainly wrote about Ak because I often see misjudgements of her character but I do emphatise with AbhiM and I feel like we have very different perspectives that it would be hard to understand or come to an agreement lol

Anyways its been shown constantly and I have said in my post too that Akshara hid Abhir's truth cuz she feared he will be snatched away from her. And she was right, not only is the show proving her right by showing it, she literally says this to Manjari who with her silence agrees that she would have. AbhiM and Manjari have admitted multiple times that they would have run to AK if they knew about the kid. Not for her. She knew that they would take her kid away from her and we all know how Gks are to expect anything from them.

As for making AbhiN as Abhir's father, again like I said in my post, the main reason is so that Abhir wont long for a father and there wont ever be a chance for her kid to be taken away from her[her biggest fear]. Not to punish AbhiM. If she wanted to punish she could have filled Abhir's mind against AbhiM so that he hates him.

The only person she is answerable to is Abhir. So many adoptive families dont tell the truth to the kid, she was hoping to do that. But when he will know, how he would react depends on how he finds out, and how it will be handled by others. If his parents handle him well, he wont have an identity crisis.

@bold: Nope, that still doesn't justify what she did. Lying is lying, period. Abhi is not some monster who would harm the child that she thinks her lying and hiding Abhir from him is for the "greater good". Simply giving the reason that she feared she would lose Abhir makes it right that the actual father live his whole life grieving for a child that is very much alive? How is this not BLATANTLY selfish while trying to put on a mask of "compassion"?

No matter what issues Akshara has on a personal level with Abhi - her feelings of being abandoned by him, hurt by him - she has full right to feel the way she does about that. But nothing gives her the right to make her son's parentage a lie for her own selfish reasons. This is not the same as a regular adoption situation....she has ACTIVELY hidden the truth from her son, not to spare him some pain but to keep her escapist world alive. Because Akshara is incapable of understanding the basic fact of life that all truths ultimately manifest themselves.....she keeps compounding her lies incessantly thinking she can "manage" all of them but they always fall like a pack of cards sooner or later.

What fears of Akshara have manifested? LOL all these so called fears are prefaced on presuming Abhimanyu to be some ROBOT who will not have any reaction to knowing that the child he grieved so much for is alive and considers some other man his father? LOL even writing this out astounds me and I'm amazed people think this will pass muster for the audience.

Even adoptive parents feel some regard for birth parents as long as no abuse was involved....where exactly has Abhi abused Abhir that he has been made a non-entity in his life? No matter what issues Akshara had with Abhi on a marital level, as a father he never failed.....but she gave him the greatest punishment by taking his very fatherhood away from him and not leaving a single chance to denigrate him without even giving him the opportunity to be a father to Abhir.

Punishment isn't only about making someone hate someone.....erasure is just as big a punishment and that is exactly what Akshara has done to Abhimanyu. But that's typical from her....the bigger irony is that she think she is protecting her son by hiding the truth of his birth but Abhir will absolutely feel betrayed and confused about why he has a different father when his birth father was alive. He will now feel conflicted on every level about how to manage his relationships.....this is Akshara's gift to him in the quest to live her so called peaceful life in Kasauli....lol trying to run from her own problems, from Abhimanyu has set her own son up for bigger problems for life.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Nope, that still doesn't justify what she did. Lying is lying, period. Abhi is not some monster who would harm the child that she thinks her lying and hiding Abhir from him is for the "greater good". Simply giving the reason that she feared she would lose Abhir makes it right that the actual father live his whole life grieving for a child that is very much alive? How is this not BLATANTLY selfish while trying to put on a mask of "compassion"?

No matter what issues Akshara has on a personal level with Abhi - her feelings of being abandoned by him, hurt by him - she has full right to feel the way she does about that. But nothing gives her the right to make her son's parentage a lie for her own selfish reasons. This is not the same as a regular adoption situation....she has ACTIVELY hidden the truth from her son, not to spare him some pain but to keep her escapist world alive. Because Akshara is incapable of understanding the basic fact of life that all truths ultimately manifest themselves.....she keeps compounding her lies incessantly thinking she can "manage" all of them but they always fall like a pack of cards sooner or later.

What fears of Akshara have manifested? LOL all these so called fears are prefaced on presuming Abhimanyu to be some ROBOT who will not have any reaction to knowing that the child he grieved so much for is alive and considers some other man his father? LOL even writing this out astounds me and I'm amazed people think this will pass muster for the audience.

Even adoptive parents feel some regard for birth parents as long as no abuse was involved....where exactly has Abhi abused Abhir that he has been made a non-entity in his life? No matter what issues Akshara had with Abhi on a marital level, as a father he never failed.....but she gave him the greatest punishment by taking his very fatherhood away from him and not leaving a single chance to denigrate him without even giving him the opportunity to be a father to Abhir.

Punishment isn't only about making someone hate someone.....erasure is just as big a punishment and that is exactly what Akshara has done to Abhimanyu. But that's typical from her....the bigger irony is that she think she is protecting her son by hiding the truth of his birth but Abhir will absolutely feel betrayed and confused about why he has a different father when his birth father was alive. He will now feel conflicted on every level about how to manage his relationships.....this is Akshara's gift to him in the quest to live her so called peaceful life in Kasauli....lol trying to run from her own problems, from Abhimanyu has set her own son up for bigger problems for life.

It is not for greater good lol She is protecting herself cuz she cant live without Abhir. She admits to being selfish when she asks AbhiN to be Abhir's father. And even when the topic of Abhir's surgery being done by Abhi, she was extremely afraid of her kid being snatched from her. It is selfish but she is not doing it to punish or get revenge.

The fear about Abhimanyu and Manjari taking Abhir away from her. Not only now after 6 years but even when he was born. Manjari didnt have an answer when Akshara said that to her face. And Abhimanyu and Manjari keep saying they would have been there for the baby. Clearly implying that they didnt care about Akshara's well being. She was right in fearing they will take her child away from her because he is their blood. Again, they didnt consider her as family. If they did she wouldn't have been treated the way she was. She already asked Abhi if Neil was alive in her place would he have treated him the same and his silence said that he wouldnt have. When they consider her as misfortune, a murderer and the love of her life threw her out of his life and didnt trust her when she called him that she has something important to say, why would they let her have the custory of her child? And fears turned out to true cuz both AB and MJ implied that they would have and its been shown over and over.

Abhir has a stable childhood and again, how he knows the truth and how the parents handle it would determine whether he would have any indenty crisis are not...

The way you perceive Akshara and how all that she is doing is just escapism, I dont agree with it. I have already said in my main post what her reasoning is. But if in the future your belief turns out to be true, Akshara would turn out to be a very weak and pathetic character. As of now, from what I could understand and explained in my post too it is about her fear, self respect, character growth etc

Anyways I feel like we keep repeating the same things, lets just agree to diagree. Hope you have a nice day!

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I know this post is about Akshara and how Abhimanyu alone is the one who needs to improve himself as a person, redeem himself as a person😆.....but I can't help but ask the basic question about this leap yet again......how is it ok to ERASE a father's very EXISTENCE from his child's life? That is unforgivable, period. No amount of trauma, grief, anger, grudges can justify such an action. On top of that the effortless lying and building a life around lies....no matter how much people try to justify that as "Akshara building a peaceful existence away from her previous heartbreak", it doesn't erase the fact that she has built it at the cost of erasing a father from his child's life and setting her child up for a clear identity crisis.

The fundamental thing missing from any essay defending Akshara's actions is the fact that lies can never lead to any good.....they always come back to bite you and destroy whatever you think you have built in "serenity". That serenity is a mirage that has come at the cost of lies and it will inevitably fade like any mirage.....so no matter how much Akshara tries to claim that Abhimanyu is threatening her new peaceful life and the "family" she's built, it won't change the fact that she built it all on a fundamental lie. And it becomes all the more unforgivable when she KNOWS that Abhimanyu is also shattered over losing their children....she let him think for 6 years that he lost both his children and erased his existence from his own child's life so effectively that now no matter what he does, his child will never think of him as his father. People have a lot to say about the second divorce and the irrevocable damage of those actions.....yes, a divorce is monumental in breaking a relationship but it doesn't erase your very existence as a person.....what Akshara did was ERASE Abhimanyu's existence as a father from his son's life and happily handed it to someone else. No matter how hurt or heartbroken she felt, this is beyond the pale. And Abhimanyu is right when he said she did it to punish him....or she would feel even a little pang when she saw father-son together after so many years.....but she has literally convinced herself that the man she MADE the child with is IMMATERIAL because she THINKS so😆. Even people who never loved each other but created a kid together would have more regard for each other atleast as parents. But Akshara can't even manage that one because her self righteous lying is in a league of its own.

Anyways at the end of the day, Akshara is living a delusion....the fact that she feels the need to punish Abhimanyu to this day by revoking his stature as a father from Abhir's life shows that she is not over him....all her chirpy jumping around in Kasauli is escapism pro max. Everything loops back to the same point....escapism and lying will never let you build a life long term....what she is doing with Abhinav is not moving on, it's escapism, pure and simple. And sadly it's ruining many lives in the process. Everyone has a lot to say about Abhi's temper, his rashness etc. etc....but at the end of the day, he tries his best to live his truths in whatever situation he is in. He doesn't gloat over his lies the way Akshara does.

The fact that the man she made the child with stated verbatim " mujhe Akshara aur USKE BACCHE se koi farak nahi padta" made him immaterial.

Originally posted by: SereneWorld

It is not for greater good lol She is protecting herself cuz she cant live without Abhir. She admits to being selfish when she asks AbhiN to be Abhir's father. And even when the topic of Abhir's surgery being done by Abhi, she was extremely afraid of her kid being snatched from her. It is selfish but she is not doing it to punish or get revenge.

If it is admittedly out of only selfishness, then why was her first reaction to Abhimanyu learning the truth all about CONTEMPT for how he can NEVER be Abhir's father? Who feels so self-righteous about twisting the knife in someone's heart while clearly seeing them in pain if it is not to punish?

Same way on some level, Abhimanyu gave her the divorce as a punishment both for her and himself, she has erased him from his son's life as a punishment in response. This is the twisted part of their relationship where they do extreme things to get reactions out of each other or punish each other. It is a folly to presume only Abhi does it simply because he is more straightforward. Akshara is just as ruthless in a different way.

Anyways, you are most welcome to ignore my posts if you think we are going around in circles. I can also give examples from multiple scenes to back up my points but you clearly are convinced that only your perception of Akshara is right and her incessant lying is justified so I will also leave the discussion here. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

If it is admittedly out of only selfishness, then why was her first reaction to Abhimanyu learning the truth all about CONTEMPT for how he can NEVER be Abhir's father? Who feels so self-righteous about twisting the knife in someone's heart while clearly seeing them in pain if it is not to punish?

Same way on some level, Abhimanyu gave her the divorce as a punishment both for her and himself, she has erased him from his son's life as a punishment in response. This is the twisted part of their relationship where they do extreme things to get reactions out of each other or punish each other. It is a folly to presume only Abhi does it simply because he is more straightforward. Akshara is just as ruthless in a different way.

Anyways, you are most welcome to ignore my posts if you think we are going around in circles. I can also give examples from multiple scenes to back up my points but you clearly are convinced that only your perception of Akshara is right and her incessant lying is justified so I will also leave the discussion here. Have a nice day.

Thanks for putting that out. I have the same points for Akshara but I would have never been able to explain like you did. 👍🏼

Well..akshara did this did that it's all good..akshara in her selfishness hid abhirs identity for x y z reasons..I have no issue with it mainly because the "father" deserved it . He carved the way , akshu walked on it...he suffered and he is suffering , it's his own karma..aksharas reactions , stupid dumb or obsessive , is his karma...he has to fight for the custody of his biological child, it's his karma...his child will go through the trauma , it's his karma...

and our suffering while watching the execution is our karma for starting this show😆

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

Thanks for putting that out. I have the same points for Akshara but I would have never been able to explain like you did. 👍🏼

You're welcome😆

Frankly, everyone is so busy either doing extreme glorification of Akshara or extreme namecalling of Akshara that the actual characterization is lost somewhere. I disagree with both sides.....there is no justification for Akshara erasing Abhi as a father from Abhir's life and there is also no justification for namecalling Akshara over whatever she's done or is doing currently.

I consider both Abhimanyu and Akshara to be flawed characters who have made mistakes that have contributed to the current situation.....they are both in an action/reaction mode over whatever one or the other does.

So many people keep crying about Abhimanyu taking Abhir away from his mother etc. etc. when he has shown a willingness many times to be in a three parent/co-parenting situation....he has even accepted his son never calling him Papa and giving that place to Abhinav instead....but he is never given any regard for those concessions. Meanwhile an Akshara who has ZERO cognition of the fact that simply APPOINTING a random man her son's father isn't going to change the truth....the absolute cluelessness from everyone here of the identity crisis brewing for Abhir just amazes me....not a SINGLE person is thinking about how that child will feel when he learns that his mother just arbitrarily chose a different father for him and kept lying to him even after he met his real father. That the man he's been calling Papa all these years is not his actual father....and now there is another man he is attached to who is his actual father but who should he call Papa now? 😆....Like did Akshara even pause for ONCE to think of how this will play out? Ofcourse not....in her head she think she can just DIRECT people to conduct their relationships as she wants. Abhinav ko pura din pump up karo as if he is the only dad and ab aage Abhir ko pump up karti rahegi that Abhinav is his only true father and he should forget that Docman is his birth father and birth father means nothing, the father who was there at your conception and was taking so much care of your mom means nothing cuz tragedy struck later and seperated them so fatherhood cancel.....lol

I don't know if anyone here has watched a show called This is Us....in that show, a character called Randall had a wonderful adoptive father who loved him with all his heart, but he was still always wondering about who his birth father was and why he abandoned him. Here, Abhir doesn't know he has an adopted father right now but he will obviously learn one day....Akshara thinking she can hide this from him forever is dumbness of the highest order especially given the many similarities between Abhi and Abhir....as the kid grows older, he would have inevitably started noticing more of the obvious and joined the dots together too....still Akshara is being so shortsighted and people are actually defending that as her "valid fear"😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

You're welcome😆

Frankly, everyone is so busy either doing extreme glorification of Akshara or extreme namecalling of Akshara that the actual characterization is lost somewhere. I disagree with both sides.....there is no justification for Akshara erasing Abhi as a father from Abhir's life and there is also no justification for namecalling Akshara over whatever she's done or is doing currently.

I consider both Abhimanyu and Akshara to be flawed characters who have made mistakes that have contributed to the current situation.....they are both in an action/reaction mode over whatever one or the other does.

So many people keep crying about Abhimanyu taking Abhir away from his mother etc. etc. when he has shown a willingness many times to be in a three parent/co-parenting situation....he has even accepted his son never calling him Papa and giving that place to Abhinav instead....but he is never given any regard for those concessions. Meanwhile an Akshara who has ZERO cognition of the fact that simply APPOINTING a random man her son's father isn't going to change the truth....the absolute cluelessness from everyone here of the identity crisis brewing for Abhir just amazes me....not a SINGLE person is thinking about how that child will feel when he learns that his mother just arbitrarily chose a different father for him and kept lying to him even after he met his real father. That the man he's been calling Papa all these years is not his actual father....and now there is another man he is attached to who is his actual father but who should he call Papa now? 😆....Like did Akshara even pause for ONCE to think of how this will play out? Ofcourse not....in her head she think she can just DIRECT people to conduct their relationships as she wants. Abhinav ko pura din pump up karo as if he is the only dad and ab aage Abhir ko pump up karti rahegi that Abhinav is his only true father and he should forget that Docman is his birth father and birth father means nothing, the father who was there at your conception and was taking so much care of your mom means nothing cuz tragedy struck later and seperated them so fatherhood cancel.....lol

I don't know if anyone here has watched a show called This is Us....in that show, a character called Randall had a wonderful adoptive father who loved him with all his heart, but he was still always wondering about who his birth father was and why he abandoned him. Here, Abhir doesn't know he has an adopted father right now but he will obviously learn one day....Akshara thinking she can hide this from him forever is dumbness of the highest order especially given the many similarities between Abhi and Abhir....as the kid grows older, he would have inevitably started noticing more of the obvious and joined the dots together too....still Akshara is being so shortsighted and people are actually defending that as her "valid fear"😆

@Bold exactly. I believe the same. Both characters are flawed and what they did is totally wrong. Abhi divorcing Akshu was wrong and Akshu erasing Abhi's existence in Abhir's life is wrong.

There are many real-life examples where a couple has gone through painful marriage but still they are mature enough to opt for co-parenting.

Irrespective of what Abhi did on a white day that can only prove him as a bad husband Akshu can marry Abhinav for that but she punished him by taking something very dear to him. She knew how much Abhi wanted to stay with his kid considering his childhood.

If Abhi is expected to follow Akshu on that to know her whereabouts considering Akshu also knew they are mourning 3 deaths could have tried dropping a message if she really wanted to inform him.

She is not angry because Abhi divorced her as it's very common to them. She is angry because he rejected her phone calls. Because her words clearly say "Tumne mera phone kyun nahi uthaya " and she still remembers those words clearly that shows how much it's still fresh in her mind.

I want Abhi to apologize for divorcing her but I want Akshu to apologize for depriving Abhi of living Abhir's childhood. She took his right to be called a father. and made him mourn for his living child.