BJP wants Sanatan Censor Board for Bollywood - Page 6

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

let's not engage in moral equivalence of the absurd kind. The guy is only asking for censoring anti-Hindu stuff.

for what you say to happen, we'd have to get to a stage where members from the majority community regularly abduct minor girls from the minority communities (Sikh, Hindu girls in Pak) and force them to convert before marrying them.

we'd have to have blasphemy laws that are punishable by death for religious blasphemy. That's pakistan for you. Forget censorship, they'll put you out to hang.

Not happening, bud.

come on thats not the point. whos equating to such stuffs like abducting minorities. a censor board for anti hindu stuff itself is a weird idea. think about hollywood, they have a davinci code and passion of christ and people embraced both.

you are talking as if i support blasphemy law. i am not fond of religions so a draconian and fascist idea like blasphemy will never be accepted by a reasonable person.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

moral fudging is also bad. Thats the other point.

we had extreme levels of appeasement. High time all religions and people are treated the same. Only accommodation should be based on economic grounds. Nothing else. No religion. No caste etc.

totally agree with you. appeasment is bad. we have to treat people equally irrespective of religion caste or race or economics.

I read this as BJP wants Satan censor board and was so confused.

Religious views and Politics were narratives this BEAUTIFUL FORUM highly encouraged us to keep away from ... LOL!

Originally posted by: snatch

come on thats not the point. whos equating to such stuffs like abducting minorities. a censor board for anti hindu stuff itself is a weird idea. think about hollywood, they have a davinci code and passion of christ and people embraced both.

you are talking as if i support blasphemy law. i am not fond of religions so a draconian and fascist idea like blasphemy will never be accepted by a reasonable person.

don't know what else your point was. You did talk about India going down Pak way... as if a guy wanting to censor anti-Hindu stuff is extremism and makes us like Pak. 😒That was a wild jump to make, comparing us with the neighbor, bud.

As for Christians embracing Da Vinci Code, are you just making stuff up now?😆 There were world-wide protests by Christian groups including the Vatican against the movie. See links below:

NY Times

May 17, 2006

CANNES — Christian groups as far away as South Korea, Thailand and India protested the movie "The Da Vinci Code" before its premiere Wednesday at the Cannes Film Festival, planning boycotts, a hunger strike and attempts to block or shorten screenings.

and from another link

NY Times2

Offensive against 'Da Vinci'

April 28, 2006

ROME — The Vatican stepped up its offensive against "The Da Vinci Code" on Friday when a top official close to Pope Benedict XVI said the book was full of anti-Christian lies and urged Roman Catholics to boycott the film.

Archbishop Angelo Amato, the No. 2 official in the Vatican's doctrinal office, described the book as "stridently anti- Christian" and said that it was "full of calumnies, offenses and historical and theological errors regarding Jesus, the Gospels and the church." He added, "I hope that you all will boycott the film."

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

don't know what else your point was. You did talk about India going down Pak way... as if a guy wanting to censor anti-Hindu stuff is extremism and makes us like Pak. 😒That was a wild jump to make, comparing us with the neighbor, bud.

As for Christians embracing Da Vinci Code, are you just making stuff up now?😆 There were world-wide protests by Christian groups including the Vatican against the movie. See links below:

NY Times

May 17, 2006

CANNES — Christian groups as far away as South Korea, Thailand and India protested the movie "The Da Vinci Code" before its premiere Wednesday at the Cannes Film Festival, planning boycotts, a hunger strike and attempts to block or shorten screenings.

and from another link

NY Times2

Offensive against 'Da Vinci'

April 28, 2006

ROME — The Vatican stepped up its offensive against "The Da Vinci Code" on Friday when a top official close to Pope Benedict XVI said the book was full of anti-Christian lies and urged Roman Catholics to boycott the film.

Archbishop Angelo Amato, the No. 2 official in the Vatican's doctrinal office, described the book as "stridently anti- Christian" and said that it was "full of calumnies, offenses and historical and theological errors regarding Jesus, the Gospels and the church." He added, "I hope that you all will boycott the film."

christian groups didnt censor those movies in us or uk. some church making hue and cry no one bothered. if some temple priest make a protest is ignorable, i the the law of the land wants to censor a movie based on religious sentiments, that is not a progressive step.

anybody practicing extremism is wrong and every single religion is man made for political gains.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Books are not rated. Only movies are.

So some pedophiles took advantage of it and pushed it in school libraries.

When parents attempt to get it out, the pedos are crying censorship.

There is a diff between age appropriateness and censorship.

But they know that already. Just pretending there isn't to excuse their pervyness and criminality.

Abhi waha par case hua tha uska news aya tha ki child p©rnography illegal hai aur minors ko to koi bhi sexual content dikhana waise bhi harassment mein aya hai

Koi celebrity tha jiske bare se ye news aya tha ki uske ghar se kuchh magazines mila tha aur wo allegedly minors ko dikhata tha

Originally posted by: snatch

christian groups didnt censor those movies in us or uk. some church making hue and cry no one bothered. if some temple priest make a protest is ignorable, i the the law of the land wants to censor a movie based on religious sentiments, that is not a progressive step.

anybody practicing extremism is wrong and every single religion is man made for political gains.

lol some church? Man that's the Vatican. Some church!😆

there were protests back then in the US too and one would remember that unless they were living under a rock. Not quite the embrace you were claiming. 😉In any case, the scene in 2006 was a bit more tolerant everywhere. Try making a film like that in today's America and see how quickly the far-right Christian groups take you out.

by the way, are you ok with the Prophet being mocked and the cartoons they had in France? 😉Or are you like one of the leftist Dems for whom Islam is the one religion that no one should say anything against? 😉

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

2. Parents who want their kids to read those books have 2 options. The PUBLIC library and the book store. Want your kid to read Gender Queer where there is a pic of a minor boy performing oral sex on an adult man? Go right ahead. Buy it for him/her/pronoun of your choice.

Having read Gender Queer for a workplace book club, there is absolutely no scene with minors and adults in any sexual relationship.

Gender Queer is about a person assigned female at birth who identifies as non-binary. When the writer hit puberty they started having male-oriented sexual fantasies. Some of them are picturing gay sex while masturbation, imagining having a penis and rubbing it, or a woman performing a blow job on it.

The oral sex scene takes place when the college-aged author is dating. In order to fulfill the fantasy of getting a blowjob, the writer's girlfriend gets them a strap-on and performs oral sex on it.

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A lot of my colleagues have teenage daughters, so we did have a good discussion on censorship. Almost all parents said they would never give their children such a book on their own. But at the same time, they would be awkward but fine with their kids reading it. After all, teenagers are thinking about sex a lot - and teens who don't share the same heteronormative sexual fantasies as their peers deserve to be seen.

I think teenagers should have access to good information about sex. But as someone who doesn't have kids, my opinions don't matter as much. It is for actual parents to decide what is best for their kids.

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But there is another kind of censorship happening. Where history is being erased to make people comfortable. Stories depicting the horrors of slavery, indentured labor building railroads, Japanese internment camps, and even the holocaust are being erased so that children do not feel bad, guilty, or uncomfortable about what their ancestors did. I don't think censoring history is right at all. What happened should be taught openly and transparently without sugar coating.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Having read Gender Queer for a workplace book club, there is absolutely no scene with minors and adults in any sexual relationship.

Gender Queer is about a person assigned female at birth who identifies as non-binary. When the writer hit puberty they started having male-oriented sexual fantasies. Some of them are picturing gay sex while masturbation, imagining having a penis and rubbing it, or a woman performing a blow job on it.

The oral sex scene takes place when the college-aged author is dating. In order to fulfill the fantasy of getting a blowjob, the writer's girlfriend gets them a strap-on and performs oral sex on it.

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A lot of my colleagues have teenage daughters, so we did have a good discussion on censorship. Almost all parents said they would never give their children such a book on their own. But at the same time, they would be awkward but fine with their kids reading it. After all, teenagers are thinking about sex a lot - and teens who don't share the same heteronormative sexual fantasies as their peers deserve to be seen.

I think teenagers should have access to good information about sex. But as someone who doesn't have kids, my opinions don't matter as much. It is for actual parents to decide what is best for their kids.

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But there is another kind of censorship happening. Where history is being erased to make people comfortable. Stories depicting the horrors of slavery, indentured labor building railroads, Japanese internment camps, and even the holocaust are being erased so that children do not feel bad, guilty, or uncomfortable about what their ancestors did. I don't think censoring history is right at all. What happened should be taught openly and transparently without sugar coating.

1. I have seen the image. While context matters, the courts have already ruled that *appearance* of the person/character matters more in deciding whether p*rn is child p*rn.

Substitute a cartoon pic for a photo or video, and all considerations for the suggestible nature of children out of the window.

So why are there movie ratings? Video games? Age restrictions for alcohol and tobacco? Why is there an age restriction for military?

2. Even if argument is bought that since it's not actual people, they're not children, p*rn is still p*rn. When did it become OK for it to be in middle school libraries?

3. Yes, it IS up to the parents. If you (generic you) want your kid to read that? Go right ahead. There is still the public library and the bookstore.

Gender Queer has not been banned from any of those places.

The same way I do not get to ban books from your children, you (generic you) do not get to expose my kids to p*rn.

4. You certainly do not get to call my child IT. He/she is a precious human.

5. And yeah, if you (generic you) are a pedophile, don't bother labeling yourself minor-attracted. You should still be castrated, then pound to a pulp.

5. I 100% agree that the horrors of history should not be hidden from children. To forget history is to repeat the mistakes of the past. But again, don't teach children to hate each other.