Why pan-India films have problematic love tracks? - Page 2

Originally posted by: Vickat_4evr

Well the blame goes to gul Khan cuz she thinks while manhandling a girl is some romantization. Gul Khan's hero's r assholes n a spineless too in highest order n there stans go to any length to defend them cuz in reality if some girl have some situation she totally will sent that person to jail.

Blame goes to Gul as well as the audience. It's the concept of demand and supply. Mishandling of female lead is glorified in ITV in the name of romance. Same in movies also. People love problematic characters. Kabir Singh, tere Naam etc, similarly 50 shades of Grey, Twilight all are classic examples (why Bella fell for that ugly, constipated, gas lighting vampire is still a mystery for me)

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

Ok... Its your opinion and I respect it.

As for me, i was tired of some of my female friends raving about the male lead in is pyar ko kya naam doon serial. So I decided to give it a try. And on seeing it i thought what a jerk. But they said keep watching he has a heart of gold. And I'm like yeah first be a jerk then show ur softer side. That's the way to go.

Btw i Don't think it's about male fantasies but those of women. The movies 365 days and 50 shades of grey, hugely popular amongst women, were based on novels written by women themselves. What are they if not women's fantasies about bad boys? Blaming men for everything is not right.

@bold : 365 days was initially hugely unpopular as a book even in Poland (the original is Polish) . And the popularity 50 shades(and the 365 movie) gained was mostly because of the smut. The authors wrote it cause they knew the shock/never-done-before factor would sell and get them bucks. There's a reason it was called 'mummy p*rn'. An entire new genre was introduced in romance genre. And nobody expects any standards in 'p*rn'. The suspension of belief is on another level.

(And Christian is deemed problematic/abusive and the guy from 365 days is straight away considered a villain. Nobody is calling them 'heroes' or trying to normalise their behaviour)

Baki, I agree with this whole wave of girls (teens mostly) fangirling over these super problematic ass***** male leads in daily soaps. The likes of Gul K decided that the only way to make a male lead 'exciting' was to make him a jerk and she continued finding new ways to do that. And the teens started gushing just like they gush about any latest fad.

(I'm not shaming anyone's choice here, to each his own)

PS - Didn't know IF considers 'p*rn' as an abusive word. Ajeeb hi site hai😆

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

Majority of our audience, especially "mass audience" loves problematic love tracks

So its a natural selling point for all the aashiqs and majnus and loafers

@bold : Ah yes, it just fuels the whole 'the girl is a b*tch' for rejecting the majnu's 'saccha pyar' narrative. Gives them validation.

Originally posted by: trouble_006

@bold : 365 days was initially hugely unpopular as a book even in Poland (the original is Polish) . And the popularity 50 shades(and the 365 movie) gained was mostly because of the smut. The authors wrote it cause they knew the shock/never-done-before factor would sell and get them bucks. There's a reason it was called 'mummy p*rn'. An entire new genre was introduced in romance genre. And nobody expects any standards in 'p*rn'. The suspension of belief is on another level.

(And Christian is deemed problematic/abusive and the guy from 365 days is straight away considered a villain. Nobody is calling them 'heroes' or trying to normalise their behaviour)

Baki, I agree with this whole wave of girls (teens mostly) fangirling over these super problematic ass***** male leads in daily soaps. The likes of Gul K decided that the only way to make a male lead 'exciting' was to make him a jerk and she continued finding new ways to do that. And the teens started gushing just like they gush about any latest fad.

(I'm not shaming anyone's choice here, to each his own)

PS - Didn't know IF considers 'p*rn' as an abusive word. Ajeeb hi site hai😆

The thing is, more than guys, you will find girls and women swooning over these bad boy heroes. I didn't even know about those movies until i came across women talking about 50 Shades or Michele morrone of 365 days. I do think many girls and women have a thing for these types of guys.

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

The thing is, more than guys, you will find girls and women swooning over these bad boy heroes. I didn't even know about those movies until i came across women talking about 50 Shades or Michele morrone of 365 days. I do think many girls and women have a thing for these types of guys.

They were swooning because the actors were hot and the s*x scenes were hot. Remove those scenes from the movies, nobody would have cared to watch it then.

Most of those women who watched it knew that, thus no normalisation of problematic behaviour.

Unlike in KGF/KS/GK shows where such behaviour is not just normalised but celebrated as 'passion'!

Originally posted by: trouble_006

They were swooning because the actors were hot and the s*x scenes were hot. Remove those scenes from the movies, nobody would have cared to watch it then.

Most of those women who watched it knew that, thus no normalisation of problematic behaviour.

Unlike in KGF/KS/GK shows where such behaviour is not just normalised but celebrated as 'passion'!

More than hot men and sex scenes (ofcourse they play a big part) there is this innate longing of most women to 'correct' bad boys and turn them into soft caring lovers who is madly in love with them. This has been going since a much long time i believe. In Most of jane Austen's novels the good guys were friendzoned but bad guys (by bad i mean borderline jerks, or proud, rude khoosat type guys) were eventually tamed and turned into 'changed' guys who are madly in love with the female protagonist. This innate urge is tapped in most movies and serials with or without sex scenes. If you see the guys in 50 shades or 365 days they were also 'changed' or tamed by the female leads. It's this urge of women to change men is what these writers and movies are tapping. With good guys there is much less scope to change anything and hence they are found to be boring.

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

More than hot men and sex scenes (ofcourse they play a big part) there is this innate longing of most women to 'correct' bad boys and turn them into soft caring lovers who is madly in love with them. This has been going since a much long time i believe. In Most of jane Austen's novels the good guys were friendzoned but bad guys (by bad i mean borderline jerks, or proud, rude khoosat type guys) were eventually tamed and turned into 'changed' guys who are madly in love with the female protagonist. This innate urge is tapped in most movies and serials with or without sex scenes. If you see the guys in 50 shades or 365 days they were also 'changed' or tamed by the female leads. It's this urge of women to change men is what these writers and movies are tapping. With good guys there is much less scope to change anything and hence they are found to be boring.

@blue : I agree that there is a section of women who love watching this play out. Though, if you go ahead and replace this hero with an average looking guy (can't happen in movies but imagine it happens in TV shows), you'll see no one gushing about it. Put 'hot' scenes with an Adarsh good looking hero, women would still watch it.

And in case of Austen, even her most celebrated hero 'Darcy' was just arrogant. Not abusive. And he goes and fixes himself up after realising his faults. The heroine doesn't accept him when he's arrogant , neither does she 'change' him. The onus is on him and not the heroine. Same with Wentworth in Persuasion. He's kind and honorable and a gentleman who fixes his raita.

@bold: This assumption that women have this innate urge is what I believe the original quote (which started this conversation between us) was talking about.

It's a male fantasy that it's every women's fantasy to see such things on screen. Especially the normalisation of abuse as a typical 'bad boy behaviour'. There's only a handful of them who might enjoy it (I grudgingly agree) . Give us more options like we get in literary world (there are whole lot of popular heroes not just the bad boys), then you'll get to see more diverse results.

Originally posted by: trouble_006

@blue : I agree that there is a section of women who love watching this play out. Though, if you go ahead and replace this hero with an average looking guy (can't happen in movies but imagine it happens in TV shows), you'll see no one gushing about it. Put 'hot' scenes with an Adarsh good looking hero, women would still watch it.

And in case of Austen, even her most celebrated hero 'Darcy' was just arrogant. Not abusive. And he goes and fixes himself up after realising his faults. The heroine doesn't accept him when he's arrogant , neither does she 'change' him. The onus is on him and not the heroine. Same with Wentworth in Persuasion. He's kind and honorable and a gentleman who fixes his raita.

@bold: This assumption that women have this innate urge is what I believe the original quote (which started this conversation between us) was talking about.

It's a male fantasy that it's every women's fantasy to see such things on screen. Especially the normalisation of abuse as a typical 'bad boy behaviour'. There's only a handful of them who might enjoy it (I grudgingly agree) . Give us more options like we get in literary world (there are whole lot of popular heroes not just the bad boys), then you'll get to see more diverse results.

@blue - I found Karan kundra to be pretty average looking guy but he was doing a similar khadoos boss role in some serial with krtikka kamra and girls were still going gaga over him. I guess him being rich and in authoritative position added to his desirable quotient even though he didn't have very good looks going in his favor. The thing is there should atleast be one or two desirable qualities in a guy. Either rich, hot, cute, powerful, authoritative, mysterious or understanding, sexy etc. If the guy is average looking with none of the other desirable qualities then what's there to fall in love with or be excited to see on-screen.

Abusive is a newer extension of arrogant i guess. People are pushing limits in everything. If u have read wuthering heights, heathcliff was borderline abusive still it was him Catherine was swooning over rather than her goody good husband.

About the change thing- whether the heroine changes hero or hero changes himself because of her love or influence is more or less the same thing. the important thing is change.

Tbh i as a male am not even intrested in watching such rom coms or cheesy storylines. It's none of my fantasy and i can say that for almost all other males i know. But, females, on the other hand, the ones i have interacted with atleast, have got a huge thing for these kind of story tracks.

P s. Well darcy did break up lizzy's sister's rishta. That was pretty vile. so he was more than just being arrogant.

And no i dont say every woman enjoys these fantasies but a big majority of them do.

Originally posted by: DetachednNumb

South Indian commercial movies are guilty of these tropes. They play it off as comedic tracks that sideline the problematic issues at hand, or often the budget and the magnanimous image of the hero overshadows these tracks. This is more so in commercial masala films of Tamil and Telugu industries. I haven't observed stuff like this in malayalam cinema to a large extent.

Malayalam movies r no better. Fairly decent ones r Kannada movies

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

More than hot men and sex scenes (ofcourse they play a big part) there is this innate longing of most women to 'correct' bad boys and turn them into soft caring lovers who is madly in love with them. This has been going since a much long time i believe. In Most of jane Austen's novels the good guys were friendzoned but bad guys (by bad i mean borderline jerks, or proud, rude khoosat type guys) were eventually tamed and turned into 'changed' guys who are madly in love with the female protagonist. This innate urge is tapped in most movies and serials with or without sex scenes. If you see the guys in 50 shades or 365 days they were also 'changed' or tamed by the female leads. It's this urge of women to change men is what these writers and movies are tapping. With good guys there is much less scope to change anything and hence they are found to be boring.

I also respect you opinion Nathu ji.

There's obviously a section of women that enjoy and love drooling over these characters because the actors are hot.

But you really want us to believe that filmmakers of these big films like KGF and Bahubali, write these scenes keeping teenage girls (or women who love the bad boy-good girl troop) in mind?🤓

I'm sorry but you're putting way too emphasis on that just because you heard some women drooling over the sex scenes in aforementioned films.

On the contrary, everything that teenage girls, OR women love (by and large) is looked down in pop culture.

I remember as soon as "Fifty Shades of Grey" and "365 days" got labelled as 'female fantasy', men started trolling and putting down these films just because they became popular and mainstream.👎🏼Even though these films were as bad as (& not very different) other 100+ films that have catered to the male audience over the years in HW/BW.🤔