Ring - a gift from Virat or Virat the husband? Sai’s hesitation - Page 5

Originally posted by: laksh

I know, that was really hurtful 😒. That is what I meant by saying that, just wanted to give the reference. Unfortunately he had conveyed that he regretted to have gone to GC or met her or had to get married to her. Whether those things are still in Sai’s head or not, those were all like a reminder, a lesson for her as how careful she should be to not forget that it is a deal marriage. Things changed but she acted conscious always so that it doesn’t become like she has started to develop expectations from him but nothing changed in him.

This is where I am confused. Yes Virat was at fault in this scene and many more scenes infact, he is the root cause of Sais confusion and giving her the idea that she is free to leave when she completes her studies and that she shouldn't expect anything from him . But, if sai is still so hurt about all these things and needs a closure which is understandable, she should bring it up with Virat since she is clearly seeing Virat has moved on and started to like her (these were her words to Pakhi).

One example , if she is nothing more than zimmedari like she thinks why would he sit there and sulk that she did not hug him but hugged her friends, what is going on in her brain 🤔. She also keeps emphasizing again and again that Virat is doing everything only because she is an orphan and not because she is his wife. Again this is in contradicting to her Mera pati Mera pati talks same goes with her getting upset when she sees Virat with pakhi. This was the 1st sign Virat got that Sai is jealous if he talks to Pakhi and trying to tell her about his feelings, but then again she won't let him speak. Looks like this cycle will continue until Virat finally gives up.

I think like the characters I am also writing in circles , this is so confusing 🤦

Today’s episode was heartbreaking. I felt for both Virat and Sai. What a performance from Neilsha! Both of them are stuck in a rut and also not allowing the other to move. I can see a build up of frustration. It is evident that it will explode.

I was more interested in understanding Sai today, since she was clearly the more contradictory one. The whole episode was about Virat throwing reasonably straight balls at her and Sai trying to evade/duck the ball while secretly lamenting that the ball never came to her.

I used to think that if Virat were to tell Sai “Pakhi was my past. She is now my brother’s wife. I want to close that chapter and start a new life with you in a real marriage” Sai will begin to lower her wall. But looking at today’s episode, it doesn't seem like that is going to be enough. A proposal will totally freak her out too. It will take a lot more to convince her that Virat really wants her. It all boils down to trust – I don't think she trusts him enough as a husband. If Virat had said the above words during the initial days of their marriage, she might have considered it. But the subsequent events in their marriage has only helped grow an immense sense of lack of belief and hope. It must have been so painful to be told that the person you are getting married to does not mean to look upon you as a wife and wants you to have no expectations from him. In spite of all that, she still got carried away and expressed her jealousy in the initial days of marriage - after all she too was interested in him (although not fully realised) when they were in GC. But Virat’s failure in drawing boundaries with Pakhi, Pakhi’s interference in their married life, Pakhi’s ability to instigate Virat against Sai numerous times, his “how dare you?”, Virat often choosing his family whenever it was about Sai vs Chavans – each of this have slowly, incessantly rooted the ‘deal’ deeper and deeper into her heart until they have become words etched in stone. I do believe that the ousting too had a major part to play in her lost of belief – it is but natural for her to ask “If I really meant something to him, would he have done this to me”. They have never spoken about it openly and resolved it – her hasty return to CN was dictated by circumstances rather than true healing or even a conscious decision to give her relationship a chance.

And yet despite all this, inspite of the 6 feet wall she has built around her heart, Virat has come to mean too much to her. That's why she keeps playing the cat and mouse game “I will leave this house” but…”I will keep visiting you”. She is being impractical and I'm glad Virat was forthright and blunt about it. Sai was shocked and left speechless. Virat has conveyed that he doesn't want her to leave and that Sai leaving him will effectively mean the end of their relationship. Let us see how Sai responds tomorrow.

Virat’s POV - According to him, Sai didn't want this marriage as much as him. So according to him, both of them started the marriage on the same foot. But while he has opened his heart to her, nothing he does for her seems to melt her. This has been the bone of contention in their marriage right from the Amey track. Virat wants her to to read his actions – the things he does for her, to understand how much she means to him. He doesn't realise the main clog in their marriage wheel – Pakhi, vaada, deal and many other things. Problem is both are so absorbed in their own feelings that they are blind and sometimes even insensitive to the others perspective. They need to have a heart-to-heart talk, but that was never their strong point.

A few dialogues that confounded me today and broke the flow of logic. Virat confessed that he likes her in a non-platonic way – and Sai did register it. I'm left with no clue as to how she interpreted it. I'm amazed how easily the conversation slipped from such a crucial statement!

From this point onwards, (to me)Sai seemed to be keen on avoiding the topic – she stopped him twice when he wanted to talk about upgrading their relationship. When Virat presents the ring, Sai as if gathering up some reservoir of grit, tells him that she cannot accept his gift if it is given by husband to a wife. When I first saw this scene, this declaration from Sai looked like a response to Virat’s “I like you”. So I interpreted the scene as a sort of proposal (“I like you”)+rejection in jalebi format.

But Sai’s inner monologue left me confounded. I would have understood if Sai had felt bad at Virat’s answer but her monologue looked like that sentence was made to probe him – in a momentary loss of self- control. This is the second time I'm seeing this contradictory behaviour from her – once before when she asked him “who are you to me” during the college function fight and now. Am I to interpret it as momentary win of the heart in the battle of head vs heart that is raging inside her? Its still a little hard to understand clearly.

P.S. I didn't like Virat’s comment on Sai-Ajinkya. I understand his insecurity and jealousy but as of now Sai has not given him any reason to suppose anything brewing with Ajinkya. I would not have minded an angry yelling – like in Aniket track but that comment was below the belt. I've never been find of jealousy tracks – either someone getting jealous or making someone jealous. This whole track is focused on that, so I'm preparing myself to a lot of discomfort.

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Yeah Nice analysis again! She does want him to do everything out of his free will. She gets suspicious that he might be doing it out of formality. His actions appear like coming from his heart. She needs words though. He was direct yesterday. May be she does not like 'pasand' also. She wants absolute words, not anything in between.

It is hard to accept, by a young girl that she is not the first choice of her husband/lover. Reality aside, every woman/girl wants to be the first choice in her man's life, ideally. Sai has built that expectation in her mind for Virat. Somewhere she accepted Virat as her first, first love, first crush and first everything. She knows how special it is! And may be she thinks Virat doesnt have that special feeling for her. It is always duty...duty of a caretaker and now duty of a husband. She has to experience life to understand that things change, people change and what people think as their first was not their first at all. Thats what happened to Virat. His feelings for Pakhi may be his first for any girl but not at the same level as with Sai. His love for Sai is his first! Sai here is projecting her feelings on to Virat's. But misplaces with Pakhi's. She doesnt understand what she feels for Virat as the first, is same for Virat when it comes to her!!

PS: Sorry too many firsts, but I hope I captured what she wants. Thanks Lakhmi for making me think this way. :P

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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Today’s episode was heartbreaking. I felt for both Virat and Sai. What a performance from Neilsha! Both of them are stuck in a rut and also not allowing the other to move. I can see a build up of frustration. It is evident that it will explode.

I was more interested in understanding Sai today, since she was clearly the more contradictory one. The whole episode was about Virat throwing reasonably straight balls at her and Sai trying to evade/duck the ball while secretly lamenting that the ball never came to her.

I used to think that if Virat were to tell Sai “Pakhi was my past. She is now my brother’s wife. I want to close that chapter and start a new life with you in a real marriage” Sai will begin to lower her wall. But looking at today’s episode, it doesn't seem like that is going to be enough. A proposal will totally freak her out too. It will take a lot more to convince her that Virat really wants her. It all boils down to trust – I don't think she trusts him enough as a husband. If Virat had said the above words during the initial days of their marriage, she might have considered it. But the subsequent events in their marriage has only helped grow an immense sense of lack of belief and hope. It must have been so painful to be told that the person you are getting married to does not mean to look upon you as a wife and wants you to have no expectations from him. In spite of all that, she still got carried away and expressed her jealousy in the initial days of marriage - after all she too was interested in him (although not fully realised) when they were in GC. But Virat’s failure in drawing boundaries with Pakhi, Pakhi’s interference in their married life, Pakhi’s ability to instigate Virat against Sai numerous times, his “how dare you?”, Virat often choosing his family whenever it was about Sai vs Chavans – each of this have slowly, incessantly rooted the ‘deal’ deeper and deeper into her heart until they have become words etched in stone. I do believe that the ousting too had a major part to play in her lost of belief – it is but natural for her to ask “If I really meant something to him, would he have done this to me”. They have never spoken about it openly and resolved it – her hasty return to CN was dictated by circumstances rather than true healing or even a conscious decision to give her relationship a chance.

And yet despite all this, inspite of the 6 feet wall she has built around her heart, Virat has come to mean too much to her. That's why she keeps playing the cat and mouse game “I will leave this house” but…”I will keep visiting you”. She is being impractical and I'm glad Virat was forthright and blunt about it. Sai was shocked and left speechless. Virat has conveyed that he doesn't want her to leave and that Sai leaving him will effectively mean the end of their relationship. Let us see how Sai responds tomorrow.

Virat’s POV - According to him, Sai didn't want this marriage as much as him. So according to him, both of them started the marriage on the same foot. But while he has opened his heart to her, nothing he does for her seems to melt her. This has been the bone of contention in their marriage right from the Amey track. Virat wants her to to read his actions – the things he does for her, to understand how much she means to him. He doesn't realise the main clog in their marriage wheel – Pakhi, vaada, deal and many other things. Problem is both are so absorbed in their own feelings that they are blind and sometimes even insensitive to the others perspective. They need to have a heart-to-heart talk, but that was never their strong point.

A few dialogues that confounded me today and broke the flow of logic. Virat confessed that he likes her in a non-platonic way – and Sai did register it. I'm left with no clue as to how she interpreted it. I'm amazed how easily the conversation slipped from such a crucial statement!

From this point onwards, (to me)Sai seemed to be keen on avoiding the topic – she stopped him twice when he wanted to talk about upgrading their relationship. When Virat presents the ring, Sai as if gathering up some reservoir of grit, tells him that she cannot accept his gift if it is given by husband to a wife. When I first saw this scene, this declaration from Sai looked like a response to Virat’s “I like you”. So I interpreted the scene as a sort of proposal (“I like you”)+rejection in jalebi format.

But Sai’s inner monologue left me confounded. I would have understood if Sai had felt bad at Virat’s answer but her monologue looked like that sentence was made to probe him – in a momentary loss of self- control. This is the second time I'm seeing this contradictory behaviour from her – once before when she asked him “who are you to me” during the college function fight and now. If I am to interpret it as momentary win of the heart in the battle of head vs heart that is raging inside her,

P.S. I didn't like Virat’s comment on Sai-Ajinkya. I understand his insecurity and jealousy but as of now Sai has not given him any reason to suppose anything brewing with Ajinkya. I would not have minded an angry yelling – like in Aniket track but that comment was below the belt. I've never been find of jealousy tracks – either someone getting jealous or making someone jealous. This whole track is focused on that, so I'm preparing myself to a lot of discomfort.

I loved reading your take, Nethra.

I have bolded the parts that especially resonated with me and I want to comment on.

I agree with you that at this point in time, a proposal will freak her out and she will likely reject him. That is because before she can accept his love, she needs to get affirmation that this marriage is real and therefore there is a place for love in their relationship. You say that if Virat explicitly tells Sai that Pakhi is his past and that he wants a new chapter with her, Sai will not think that is enough. I don't necessarily agree with this. While Virat was clearer about his feelings yesterday than he has been in the past, he still has not come out right and told her that this marriage is real. He has said practically every single other thing at this point to get around uttering those words. Without Virat clearing up the past, Sai won't even know that Virat and Pakhi were never in love. They were in infatuation for a couple of days...even Virat admitted in the car that he has never told anyone he loves them before, and I took that to mean that even he acknowledges that he never loved Pakhi.

I think that Sai does trust Virat with her whole heart. And this has been the case for her since their days in GC. She has always felt a sense of security with him, and she has always known, without realizing it, that he will always be there for her. Despite the fact that he has hurt her, her trust in him has never wavered. This also relates to your points about Sai seeming as if she is avoiding the topic of upgrading their relationship but then her inner monologue seeming contradictory. Your comparison to the college fest dialogue is spot on- I have used the same in various other posts about the episode. How I see it is that Sai understands that what she is seeing from Virat is more than him fulfilling his zimidari. She sees how deeply he cares for her and she sees his affections. This is why we have heard from her on more than one occasion that she doesn't get Virat. Because, he is acting as if this marriage is real, but then she asks herself..how can it be so? When he definitely told her not to expect anything from him on their wedding day. So, she convinces herself that she is mistaken. Then, she tries to ask Virat about it... she did this during the college fest by asking him who he is to her and then again in yesterday's episode by asking him in what regard he is giving her the ring. But, both times she asks this question, the way she phrases it appears to Virat as if she has already made up her mind about the vaada. When in reality, she is desperate for him to tell her otherwise. She wants to hear it from him that what she is seeing from him, what is is thinking, is REAL. Virat gets scared by Sai's questioning, as it is phrased in such a way that she isn't willing to look past the zimidari saga, and he cannot lose her under any circumstances. So, he chooses the safer option- he choses to say that he is her guardian and that the ring is just a birthday gift- because, he will keep loving her no matter what, and he will do anything to keep loving her too...even if that means just remaining stuck in this confusing relationship. But, then, as a result, Sai feels disappointed and heartbroken, and tells herself that she is just imagining Virat being a real husband, when we all know that isn't the case at all.

Coming back to trust, I think Sai trusts Virat more than she trusts herself. That is why she keeps looking to him for answers instead of believing her own feelings. Virat told her to focus on his actions, and she is focusing on his actions. That is why she is asking him these questions in the first place. But, she is never going to be able to trust her own feelings until she can hear from Virat that all of this is real...that is isn't imagining things. She needs Virat to affirm her beliefs, but they just keep spinning around in circles.

In terms of Virat's comment about Ajinkya, I made me uncomfortable as well. But, for some reason, I really did sympathize with him in that moment and understood where he was coming from. All his insecurities are building up, and both of them are getting extremely frustrated. It's just a matter of time before they blow up.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Yeah Nice analysis again! She does want him to do everything out of his free will. She gets suspicious that he might be doing it out of formality. His actions appear like coming from his heart. She needs words though. He was direct yesterday. May be she does not like 'pasand' also. She wants absolute words, not anything in between.

It is hard to accept, by a young girl that she is not the first choice of her husband/lover. Reality aside, every woman/girl wants to be the first choice in her man's life, ideally. Sai has built that expectation in her mind for Virat. Somewhere she accepted Virat as her first, first love, first crush and first everything. She knows how special it is! And may be she thinks Virat doesnt have that special feeling for her. It is always duty...duty of a caretaker and now duty of a husband. She has to experience life to understand that things change, people change and what people think as their first was not their first at all. Thats what happened to Virat. His feelings for Pakhi may be his first for any girl but not at the same level as with Sai. His love for Sai is his first! Sai here is projecting her feelings on to Virat's. But misplaces with Pakhi's. She doesnt understand what she feels for Virat as the first, is same for Virat when it comes to her!!

PS: Sorry too many firsts, but I hope I captured what she wants. Thanks Lakhmi for making me think this way. :P

Really nicely put. I think it is especially heartbreaking, because little does Sai know, she is his first love too. Virat even indirectly told her in the car yesterday when he said that he has never said those words to anyone before.

You know, to me, it seems as though it's not even about first or second choices for Sai. At this point, it is just about Virat choosing her. Period. She wants to hear it from him that he has chosen her...accepted her as his real wife. I truly believe that she sees that Pakhi is nothing to him now in the same way she sees that the way he treats her is way deeper than a zimidari. This birthday track has made that even clearer than it already was. But, again, seeing all of this is not enough for her. She Virat to affirm her beliefs and tell her that she is not just imagining all of this...

"A few dialogues that confounded me today and broke the flow of logic. Virat confessed that he likes her in a non-platonic way – and Sai did register it. I'm left with no clue as to how she interpreted it. I'm amazed how easily the conversation slipped from such a crucial statement!"

This is the comment from your post. This is exactly what stuck me too..what is platonic and what is not for her. Yesterday it was not platonic at all. He is straight to the point.

I dont know how else would he have to tell her. They are in a marriage, they know the terms and conditions. And now he says he likes her...why is it not enough? If she wants the marriage to be real, are these words not enough. What 'more' he should tell her. That is why I said, she wants him to be more physical with her. That is the only thing they are lacking...and that is the only thing that seals the 'real' marriage. But Virat will not cross that line, if she doesnt give consent which she is giving actually. See whenever he hugs her or tries to kiss her, she reciprocates. I think thats what she is thinking, if it is real why cant they move forward. Yesterday also she said, if the marriage was real, it could have happened much earlier.

I am as confused as the rest are. But thats what I understood.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

"A few dialogues that confounded me today and broke the flow of logic. Virat confessed that he likes her in a non-platonic way – and Sai did register it. I'm left with no clue as to how she interpreted it. I'm amazed how easily the conversation slipped from such a crucial statement!"

This is the comment from your post. This is exactly what stuck me too..what is platonic and what is not for her. Yesterday it was not platonic at all. He is straight to the point.

I dont know how else would he have to tell her. They are in a marriage, they know the terms and conditions. And now he says he likes her...why is it not enough? If she wants the marriage to be real, are these words not enough. What 'more' he should tell her. That is why I said, she wants him to be more physical with her. That is the only thing they are lacking...and that is the only thing that seals the 'real' marriage. But Virat will not cross that line, if she doesnt give consent which she is giving actually. See whenever he hugs her or tries to kiss her, she reciprocates. I think thats what she is thinking, if it is real why cant they move forward. Yesterday also she said, if the marriage was real, it could have happened much earlier.

I am as confused as the rest are. But thats what I understood.

This is exactly why I think he needs to tell her that this marriage is real before he confesses. He told her that she is the most special...the most different to him, and she thought he was joking. Because, how can he love her like a husband loves a wife if this marriage isn't even real? I think she knows that he likes her...or at least she can see it in his actions and the way he looks at her. That is why she keeps probing him to figure out if her feelings about him are accurate, and yet they just keep spinning in circles because of what I have written in numerous other posts in this topic.

In terms of the physicality, what you have written really does remind me of the ladoo scene. He was getting close to her, and she was liking it. But, when he took a bit from the ladoo, she was once again brought back to reality, telling him that he's really bad. She felt stupid for thinking that this attraction...these feelings that she is experiences are real. It's all there....there just needs to be an open and honest conversation between the two.

I agree that Virat has not been explicit. What made me conclude that it will require a lot more to convince Sai to lower her gaurd is the sheer lack of belief. If she had 'rejected' him or thrown uncomfortable questions at him or even diverted the topic, it would have been understandable, expected. But that monologue from her - it carried too much emotional turmoil and lack of belief.

The deal marriage created a huge barrier between them - but other factors probably added layer after layer to the barrier and created an immovable wall of disbelief and despair.

Sai does trust Virat with her life - she trusts him as a person, trusts his integrity. But trusting a person is different from trusting a husband. If I was Virat's wife, I would be highly insecure.

Just my take...could be wrong.