He is good as a father - Page 2

Originally posted by: surabhi01

I hope samar bhi yeh kehta ki aapke cheating ke bawjood bhi maine bete ka farz nibhaya hai jub aapka accident hua tha to main hi aapko khana khilta jub aapka right hand kaam nahin kar raha tha maine hi aapke liye leave application likhi

Bete ka farz aapne ne hi maine bhi bete ka farz nibaya lekin main ki aap ki tarah dhidhora nahi pita ta ki maine aap ki kitni help ki aur na hi dada ji dhidhora pite hai ki unhone mr shah ke saath kya kiya

This! 👏

Originally posted by: surabhi01

Ok vanraj might be good father and he want why his family looking only his mistake why not his good quality so anupama ne aisi kya galti ki thi jise vanraj 25 years uski insult kar raha tha

Vanraj ne anupama ke dwaara aisi badi galti na karne pur anupama ki insult karta raha so how can vanraj expect ki jo vanraj ne itni badi galti ki like cheating with anupama to koi vanraj ko khuch bolega nahi?

Phir anupama ko bhi vanraj ko question karna chahiye ki mera galti kya thi just because mein sorry ko surri bolti hoon aur mujhe english nahin aati main simple saree pehnne hoon to aapne is wajah se mujhe chod kavya ke paas chale gaye ?

Maine aapke liye protein shake banaya aapke ghar ko sambhala aapke bacchon ko sambhala woh aapko nahi dikha bus aapko yahi dikha ki mujhe angreji nahi aati main jyaada padhi likhi nahin hoon?

Anupama, baa pakhi toshu sub ne accept kiya hai vanraj ne as father ki achi responbility nibhayi hai . Baa ne bhi kai baar bola hai mera beta din raat mehnat karta hai to yeh vanraj kyon yeh baar keh raha hai ki father ke hard work ko ignore kiya jaa raha hai

Waise bhi vanraj chahe good father ho ya bad father vanraj ne cheating ki hai cheating ek bahut badi galti hai aur iske liye koi excuse nahin hai chahe vanraj kitna bhi mooh miya mitthu banta rahe ki maine yeh kiya woh kiya

Is duniya vanraj ne hi hi nahin duniya mein aur log ne bhi struggle kiya hai anupama ne bhi mother wife daughter in law ki duty bhi nibhayi hai but iska matlab yeh nahin woh kisi ki insult karein aur cheating karein

Vanraj should stop mixing adultery and what he did for family

Vanraj agar yeh samjhata hai samar ko uski respect karni chahiye just because he is father and did lot for him then vanraj ko yeh bhi samjhana chahiye ki anupama bhi samar ki maa hai anupama ne bhi samar bahut khuch kiya hai to is wajah se anupama ke saath in justice ke against samar bolega

What you are saying is right. In my post I have clearly mentioned he said it out of ego. I have clearly said that he was bad with Anupama so the questions you have mentioned Anupama should defintely ask him.

Bolded line 1: Vanraj cheated with Anupama is definitely wrong. We do cheat in examinations, so do the teachers give you a life time punishment? No. People dont give punishments, Karmas give. His Karma is giving him punishments. People's work is to forgive, Anupama can never again trust Vanraj, but she can forgive. Forgiving doesn't means trusting again, it means that person can't control your emotions again. You said cheating is bad, and see what is he getting. He is left with nothing

Bolded lines 2: Everyone like is seeing Anupama's struggle which is good, we are also appreaciating it.

We are appreciating Anupama's struggle that doesn't means she is only struggling. the home made by Vanraj who was not in affair with Kavya, that day Hasmukh even asked him to leave the house. He cheated but his whole hard work was ignored because of cheating act. And today he was crying. We need to change our perspectives. Does this make him a bad father, or his struggles dont count. There are two sides of the coin, but why bad side rules. There is 1 percent goodness in everyone

From tomorrow he will be on bad side, so this was just a change in perspectives.

Originally posted by: neo7

My view is a bit different. I had posted this in written update thread, reposting here.

What all Vanraj said about his sacrifices and hardwork is true and is true for any father from a middleclass family and would definitely feel the pain of a father. But still it didn't make me sympathise with him, for many reasons.

He said he just did 2 mistakes in life, well according to me he did a crap lot of mistake.

1) When was this anger when Toshu and Pakhi used to humiliate, disrespect degrade Anupamaa?

2) He narrated one incident that ki jab dolly ko kisine taana maara tha, toh he beat the hell out of that guy and refused to apologise for it. Where was this person when everyday Anupamaa ko taana maara jaata tha, wasn't she someone's sister?

3) He said he belonged to poor family and was made to realise the importance of money at the early age and at the age 14 he started earning and how difficult times their family had seen. Where was this experience and empathy when Baa always taunted and humiliated Anu and his family for being poor?

4) Today he acknowledged that Anupamaa did a lot for his family, bcoz today his contribution was questioned.

5) He is saying he did just 2 mistake 1 of falling for kavya and second hiding it from Anupamaa, what mistake has Samar actually done to get so much of scolding, he is literally made feel bad for just falling for Nandini, which is not even a mistake bcoz he is not cheating on anyone.

6) He said he knew value of money and how he always respected his parents, why did he not teach these values to Toshu and Pakhi? Samar has always respected everyone and also had value for money, one truth Samar said and he lashes out at him.

7) The issue Samar had was Nandini being not accepted, whereas his father's gf being accepted, and what did Vanraj made it into, that he does not value his hardwork and what all he did for his family. Did he forget Anupamaa has always given him due credit for all that he did for his family?

8) He said no one cares about his self respect, has he ever cared of Anupamaa's self respect? He never missed a chance to attack her self respect.

9) He wants to know the time limit of punishment he will get for his mistake, what time limit had he set when he was cheating on Anupamaa?

10) Samar ne usse bola ki ghar uska nahi hai uska jawab de diya, Samar ne ye pucha ki Nandini kyun accepted nahi hai uska jawab kyun nahi diya?

11) He is saying sab ghar pe usse nafrat karte hai, does he even know what nafrat is, taking his care when he met with accident is nafrat, celebrating his bday like a festival is nafrat?

12) He said when his job went none of his son consoled him that its ok, and what about him and he wanted them to be there for him, leaving his son's wedding for hia gf, didn't his son wanted him to be by his side during his wedding? He forgot how Anupamaa gave him himmat that he is capable and will get the job whereas Kavya taunted him when he started being at home all day and made him realise how he was useless as he was jobless.

13) He said his sons think he is a loser, well first of all no one ever said this even samar didn't say it. But when was he when he, toshu and pakhi used to call Samar and Anu as loser?

14) He said he felt bad jab uske pasina se bana ghar Anupamaa ko de diya gaya. Well did he realise, jis rishtey ko Anupamaa ne sab kuch diya, uske family ke liye sab kuch kiya, uss rishtey ka haq usne kisi aur ko de diya toh Anupamaa ko kaisa laga hoga?

If a person who would have atleast treated his wife with respect and not literally tortured her, I would may be have felt sympathy for his outburst like Vanraj's, but can never empathize with this egoistic and MCP kinda guy.

In the precap, Anupamaa said that give back the house to Vanraj, well this hurted his ego yet again.

Anupamaa had always said he was a bad husband but a good father, good son and good brother. I don't agree, he is not even a good father and also not a good son. He couldn't even handle pakhi for a month and yes I agree he always respected his parents, but did he cared about their izzat them when he went and had an affair? Has he been fair with all kids and provided equal love, affection and attention to all 3 of them?

Sudhanshu was fabulous in this epi, but he still could not make me empathize with Vanraj, he is getting what all he deserved and poor Samar who has been the most well behaved kid of all 3 is getting a bashing and made to feel guilty for his mistake whereas Toshu and Pakhi has always been absolved of any bashing for any amount of crap they dish out.

He still does not count torturing Anu and treating her badly and humiliating her as a mistake.

What all you summarised all leads to Anupama. What he did to her.... In my post, I have written only Anupama should not forgive him. He is the worst husband, but he was available for his kids. All of your points are true. Bang on. Ravan is evil, but you know his knowledge and his music were positve sides. We will ignore it, because he is a rapist. Even 99% bad people have 1% percent goodness

We are analysing so we become much critical. But to be seen on positive side, Anupama is being watched by all. My generation people, even boys are watching it. Fathers offers us money, but when he doesn't we misbehave. This is our fathers speak. We must learn to know the struggle of our father. Today generation kids easily misbehave with parents, at;east this was an eye opener to them, if they learn from the serial. Atleast we may learn to know what our father goes through. He could have kept the point of Samar being distracted but he is not keeping that point.

Because often I misbehave with my father, if he blames my mother for everything. And my frustrated father speaks the same language. I cried because I saw my father when he scolds me.

VANRAJ SHAH'S KARMA IS STRIKING BACK. BUT I FELT TODAY FOR HIM. FOR THE FIRST AND LAST TIME

That's true they are showing it like Samar did somesort of despicable act against his father if वनराज can make Kavya stay at home after every thing happened पाखी was in danger than why can't Samar call his friend home who always helps in every family function and Kavya can stay at nandinin home if vanraj wanted to meet her he could have met at any hotel or restaurant still she is staying in their home

Even I don't feel sympathy for him every time vanraj is in trouble he comes home and stay like king gets all the facilities and now acting as victim

And I don't even know when pakhi toshu और anybody misbehaves with her she takes is silently

But today Samar might be 2%wrong but vanraj was 100% Samar before EMA revelation never misbehaved with him . Why can't anupama sat when Kavya can come Nandini can also come no need to make an issue today it was not an issue the say when the whole family went outside and vanraj and Anupama came back I thought his anger was justified but today not and all the lecture he gave doesn't apply to him because he has always been treated like king even after misbehaving cheating anupama

Originally posted by: Anjalika01

Brilliant analysis!

Also why should Samar care if Vanraj beat up some unknown guy who harassed Dolly several years before he was born 😆

Nobody is claiming Vanraj is a khalnayak with zero good qualities who abused his kids, parents or sister...

All poor Samar was saying was that it's extremely hypocritical of Vanraj (a 50+ married man who is living with his ex-wife and mistress in the same house) to be so offended by his son having a gf, and that too mainly because the gf is related to HIS mistress, and because her parents are divorced (just like him and Anu)

And also that Vanraj has no right to throw him out from a house that Bapuji handed over to Anu...

Even that comment would never have been made by Samar at all if Vanraj hadn't tried to throw him out just for bringing his gf to the puja in the first place!

Instead of giving senseless and hypocritical gyaan, Anu should leave this house asap and start valuing Samar (as well as Kinjal and her mother) more...

I am not justifying Vanraj's actions. His objection of SANAN are illogical. Anupama should leave the house.

Originally posted by: musicalstorm

What you are saying is right. In my post I have clearly mentioned he said it out of ego. I have clearly said that he was bad with Anupama so the questions you have mentioned Anupama should defintely ask him.

Bolded line 1: Vanraj cheated with Anupama is definitely wrong. We do cheat in examinations, so do the teachers give you a life time punishment? No. People dont give punishments, Karmas give. His Karma is giving him punishments. People's work is to forgive, Anupama can never again trust Vanraj, but she can forgive. Forgiving doesn't means trusting again, it means that person can't control your emotions again. You said cheating is bad, and see what is he getting. He is left with nothing

Bolded lines 2: Everyone like is seeing Anupama's struggle which is good, we are also appreaciating it.

We are appreciating Anupama's struggle that doesn't means she is only struggling. the home made by Vanraj who was not in affair with Kavya, that day Hasmukh even asked him to leave the house. He cheated but his whole hard work was ignored because of cheating act. And today he was crying. We need to change our perspectives. Does this make him a bad father, or his struggles dont count. There are two sides of the coin, but why bad side rules. There is 1 percent goodness in everyone

From tomorrow he will be on bad side, so this was just a change in perspectives.

Actually, just saying but if a student is caught cheating on a board exam in any decent school they will certainly be given a 0 on the paper and rusticated/expelled, which is basically a lifetime punishment, as their career is pretty much ruined...

Vanraj or anyone else for that matter can't demand people to forgive them... it's a victim's choice whether they forgive or not... Anu doesn't have to forgive him, neither does Samar or Anu's maayke wale...

Vanraj's hard work is not being ignored... his hard work and relationship to his parents and children is the reason why he still comes and goes from the house so frequently, and today he is even keeping his mistress there... yes Anu was wrong to agree to keep her there but we can't forget that Vanraj had already decided he wanted to before Anu even said yes...

Our Vee is just an arrogant, entitled individual who is basically trying to emotionally blackmail and force everyone (aka Anu, Samar, Kinjal- rest have started behaving pretty much normally with him nowadays anyway) to forgive him😡

Originally posted by: surabhi01

I hope samar bhi yeh kehta ki aapke cheating ke bawjood bhi maine bete ka farz nibhaya hai jub aapka accident hua tha to main hi aapko khana khilta jub aapka right hand kaam nahin kar raha tha maine hi aapke liye leave application likhi

Bete ka farz aapne ne hi maine bhi bete ka farz nibaya lekin main ki aap ki tarah dhidhora nahi pita ta ki maine aap ki kitni help ki aur na hi dada ji dhidhora pite hai ki unhone mr shah ke saath kya kiya

Even I cant say to my father what I did to him as a daughter. But every father will tell you what they did for you as a father. When they get frustrated angry. If I will tell my father, that I did this Upkars to him, then I will get a slap or else I will asked to leave the house.

Originally posted by: musicalstorm

I am not justifying Vanraj's actions. His objection of SANAN are illogical. Anupama should leave the house.

Then we are still on the same page haha...

I guess you are just more soft-hearted than I am lol... I just cannot sympathise with a man who brought all this misery on himself and is now demanding everyone to forgive him (or else!)🤢

People who demand forgiveness as a right never deserve it... it's one of the few rules in life that doesn't even have exceptions imo

Originally posted by: luvdesitelly

Bravo👏👏👏👏👏. You sum it up so nicely. Vanraj is self centered, egostic, selfish man. Poor Samar has always been nice to everyone but still V discriminate against him. He can't stand the fact that Samar is like Anu, has a guts to stand up for himself and Anu, looks into V's eyes and gave him right back in front everyone. V hate the fact that he can't manipulate and control Samar.

V is a fake Shiva Bhakt. Lord Shiva doesn't support cheater, woman and child abuser. It is matter of time his bad karmas catch up with him and then Lord Shiva will teach him lessons of his lifetime. Entire episode was created to clean his image in audience mind. It is definitely ITA award winning effect. I just hate the fact that they used Maha Sivratri celebration to show this garbage. What a insult to Lord Shiva.

All of your points are bang on. Totally loved your analysis.

I have sympathised with Vanraj but his image is not cleared in my mind. What he did to Anupama is completely wrong. Anupama should forgive him, to free herself. Still he is also not a pure Shiv Devotee for me, but yes this father thing I felt bad for him. FOR THE FIRST TIME I FELT BAD FOR VANRAJ

I have also criticised Anupama but I have also appreciated Vanraj

Change in perspectives. And from tomorrow my same criticisms will start

Originally posted by: luvdesitelly

Anupama never had desire for house. She made it clear that to Bapuji. It was Bapuji's decision to give house to Anupama becasue he knew his son is such a egostic maniac. V never respected Samar's professional choice. Today Samar started earning money and V said something like, Ab paise ki garmi chadi hai ( sorry forgot his excat line). No matter what Samar does, he never appreciate his efforts. What would V say when Samar open his own dance academy in multiple cities and become rich man? Tab kahega ki yeh dekho, aaj Vanraj Shah ke bete ne uska naam roshan kar diya. He will take all the credits.

It happen like this always

If a son does bad, he is his mothers, if he does good he is his fathers