EMOTIONAL VIDEO: Veteran Lyricist Santosh Anand ji - Page 3

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Yeah cause you never let me down. An even if this story looses my interest I know I like talking to you so that much will be awesome 👏 😳

Aww Maroony, that means the world to me, thank u! ❤️ But I promise you'll enjoy it 😆

Before I start, Royalties are generated from all sources of listenership...TV, films, radio, streaming services, legal download platforms, albums etc.

So the legal battle started somewhere in 1950s...apparently most artists had no idea about the concept of royalty and this came from a country who produces the highest number of films a year. Awareness increased but artists were simple people and didn't care much...this even caused them to suffer later. Lata Mangeshkar and Mohd Rafi had a huge fight over the same because Lataji wanted artists to get their royalties while Rafi sahab didn't bother. This escalated to the point that the two wouldn't sing together for many years.

Anyways, the only major music label was HMV/Sa Re Ga Ma Pa at the time in India and they were pocketing all the money. U get from 50s to 70s all the songs released were GOLD. So imagine the amount of royalty generated. Those songs are still exceptionally popular and still generate more than any song post 2000 does!

Example: Sir Elton John has made 30 albums and his net worth as of 2021 is $500 million. One hit-wonder Kevin Lyttle (Turn Me On) is around $1.9 million or so. Now imagine the net worth of Laxmikant-Pyarelal who have done around 600 soundtrack and the man the thread is about, Santosh Anand (not a huge volume of work but whatever he wrote were huge hits). Now imagine the amount of money artists have been robbed off! Insane.

According to copyright law, the 100% chunk of royalty gets divided as such: 50% publisher (music company) and 50% between music directors and lyricists. Singers don't come into this mix because they are the face of the song and can earn from live shows, concerts etc too...still their royalty comes from some other area which I am not very sure about.

So the 90s group takes up the case seriously and starts spreading awareness. They even lose projects coz labels boycott them...and back then producers needed labels to publish the songs, YouTube and streaming services weren't such a huge deal. They continue to fight though.

After years of battle where the music company is fighting the copyright cases with the artists' money (the irony!) and the artists spending money from their own savings, in 2012 the Copyright Bill gets passed.

The music companies still find ways to eat up the money...even the IPRS (American equivalent is ASCAP) was mainly label based. Sometime ago, Javed Akhtar becomes chairperson of IPRS and does some phenomenal things for artists...giving financial aid to Vanraj Bhatia, financial aid during Corona Virus and recently IPRS won the case against Radio Channels who weren't interested in paying artists:

https://www.cinemaexpress.com/stories/news/2021/jan/05/javed-akhtar-welcomes-judgement-on-fm-royaltiesfor-lyricists-musicians-22087.html

The point is, despite the fights, lawsuits etc, the music companies are still trying to act smart. And the worst thing is the audience will listen to these songs and ONLY talk about the actors, directors, producers. They don't know and they don't want to know. This thread should've crossed 10 pages given the popularity of Santosh Anand's songs, but apparently actors are much more important, a legend struggling doesnt even matter to them...

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

Aww Maroony, that means the world to me, thank u! ❤️ But I promise you'll enjoy it 😆

Before I start, Royalties are generated from all sources of listenership...TV, films, radio, streaming services, legal download platforms, albums etc.

So the legal battle started somewhere in 1950s...apparently most artists had no idea about the concept of royalty and this came from a country who produces the highest number of films a year. Awareness increased but artists were simple people and didn't care much...this even caused them to suffer later. Lata Mangeshkar and Mohd Rafi had a huge fight over the same because Lataji wanted artists to get their royalties while Rafi sahab didn't bother. This escalated to the point that the two wouldn't sing together for many years.

Anyways, the only major music label was HMV/Sa Re Ga Ma Pa at the time in India and they were pocketing all the money. U get from 50s to 70s all the songs released were GOLD. So imagine the amount of royalty generated. Those songs are still exceptionally popular and still generate more than any song post 2000 does!

Example: Sir Elton John has made 30 albums and his net worth as of 2021 is $500 million. One hit-wonder Kevin Lyttle (Turn Me On) is around $1.9 million or so. Now imagine the net worth of Laxmikant-Pyarelal who have done around 600 soundtrack and the man the thread is about, Santosh Anand (not a huge volume of work but whatever he wrote were huge hits). Now imagine the amount of money artists have been robbed off! Insane.

According to copyright law, the 100% chunk of royalty gets divided as such: 50% publisher (music company) and 50% between music directors and lyricists. Singers don't come into this mix because they are the face of the song and can earn from live shows, concerts etc too...still their royalty comes from some other area which I am not very sure about.

So the 90s group takes up the case seriously and starts spreading awareness. They even lose projects coz labels boycott them...and back then producers needed labels to publish the songs, YouTube and streaming services weren't such a huge deal. They continue to fight though.

After years of battle where the music company is fighting the copyright cases with the artists' money (the irony!) and the artists spending money from their own savings, in 2012 the Copyright Bill gets passed.

The music companies still find ways to eat up the money...even the IPRS (American equivalent is ASCAP) was mainly label based. Sometime ago, Javed Akhtar becomes chairperson of IPRS and does some phenomenal things for artists...giving financial aid to Vanraj Bhatia, financial aid during Corona Virus and recently IPRS won the case against Radio Channels who weren't interested in paying artists:

https://www.cinemaexpress.com/stories/news/2021/jan/05/javed-akhtar-welcomes-judgement-on-fm-royaltiesfor-lyricists-musicians-22087.html

The point is, despite the fights, lawsuits etc, the music companies are still trying to act smart. And the worst thing is the audience will listen to these songs and ONLY talk about the actors, directors, producers. They don't know and they don't want to know. This thread should've crossed 10 pages given the popularity of Santosh Anand's songs, but apparently actors are much more important, a legend struggling doesnt even matter to them...

2 things

Despite the copyright bill getting passed. Royalties are not getting distributed equally ? How exactly ? Loopholes

Santosh Anand’s plight may not matter to everyone. But it matters to us so I that’s a start 👌

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

2 things

Despite the copyright bill getting passed. Royalties are not getting distributed equally ? How exactly ? Loopholes

Santosh Anand’s plight may not matter to everyone. But it matters to us so I that’s a start 👌

Basically music companies feel its not the artists right so they find their own way to avoid payment. It could be anything, a lawyer would be able to tell that in detail. But you can see this:

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/deepdive-the-row-over-money-and-melody/articleshow/61665873.cms

India ka problem hai, laton ke bhoot baaton se nahi maante. Whether its nepotism in films or royalty in music, till the time the issue does not escalate, people don't give in.

I am sure Indian artists get bigger amounts from international performing rights associations at the moment!

@bold: Respect for this, honestly makes me feel so happy to see there's someone like me in the world! 🤗

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

Basically music companies feel its not the artists right so they find their own way to avoid payment. It could be anything, a lawyer would be able to tell that in detail. But you can see this:

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/deepdive-the-row-over-money-and-melody/articleshow/61665873.cms

India ka problem hai, laton ke bhoot baaton se nahi maante. Whether its nepotism in films or royalty in music, till the time the issue does not escalate, people don't give in.

I am sure Indian artists get bigger amounts from international performing rights associations at the moment!

@bold: Respect for this, honestly makes me feel so happy to see there's someone like me in the world! 🤗

Wow money laundering why am I not surprised 😂

Hey you made me care about this so I think your the special one. 🤗🤗

This is so shaking.

Seeing such great people not recognized, not given the the credits,the respect, the recognition they deserve is so sad.

It hurts seeing him like.💔

Neha did a very nice deed. It felt so good that people are trying to give the people the respect and recognition they truly deserve.👏

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

I am not a fan of Neha's but why she did today stole my heart for real. Really kudos to her. Vishal asked Santoshji to give him lyrics so that he can make a song...I hope that really does happen ❤️

There are a lot of people on Twitter today figuring out a way to help Santosh ji and it warms my heart to see humanity still exists.

Indian Idol showed the dark side of the music industry for real today, this is the bitter truth that many artists have had to face.

When Santosh ji said 'Aaj main bahot Khush hu, mujhe kisi ne yaad toh kiya' I felt my heart break into a million pieces. How are legends in such conditions?

Music companies, stop being such heartless D-Bags and give the creators their due credit and royalties. Kitna aur paap karoge?

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Wow money laundering why am I not surprised 😂

Hey you made me care about this so I think your the special one. 🤗🤗

They're robbing, that's what I know!

You're too kind Maroony, I am glad to have a friend like you, even if its on a virtual platform 🤗

Originally posted by: Sparkling_starr

This is so shaking.

Seeing such great people not recognized, not given the the credits,the respect, the recognition they deserve is so sad.

It hurts seeing him like.💔

Neha did a very nice deed. It felt so good that people are trying to give the people the respect and recognition they truly deserve.👏

@bold: Exactly. My reason for posting this was to make members here realise what its actually like. You can't not know this, our legends are suffering and we are the ones who can help make a change.

I've really begun to respect Neha after this noble gesture of hers. She seems to understand the pains and struggles for real.

Originally posted by: MS-meghasharma

. is there any account where we can donate to help him . Plz let me know

I am trying to find out the same. You can keep on checking Twitter in case Sony starts a relief fund. I am sure he will be supported financially but I hope he gets work. Such a brilliant lyricist whose work is still very relevant...any composer, new or veteran, can collaborate with him. That would make him feel good and positive too ❤️

You know, it pains me that I cannot do anything about it...I really wish if I was a lakhpati or having steady income myself I would help them all ❤️

Megha re megha and Ek Pyaar ka Nagma Hai is in my all-time-fav songs list, Pyaar ka Nagma is such a beautifull evergreen written song, Santosh sir would've earned so much royalty from all these song, all his lyrics were so beautifully written & those songs were hit always. There really needs to be reform in music industry, lyricists, composer and all should be paid royalties.

I remember that news years ago, when it was reported that his son and daughter-in-law committed suicide, luckily their child survived, it was heartbreaking to see Santosh sir and his wife crying.

This was so heartbreaking, I cried so much.