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Posted: 5 years ago

Not very heartbroken with the end for Rumza, maybe because I wasnt expecting a reunion of Rumi and Hamza. We can ship a couple for their gorgeous chemistry and cute moments, but a lot was problematic with the fundamental establishment of them as a couple. Rumi cannot and will not accept grey. Definitely not someone who was a harasser and used her in a way to extract revenge and torture his sister. That Hamza fell in love with Rumi is incidental but is that enough to wipe out the whole fickle base of their relationship? Can his actions be forgiven, just because he eventually did fall in love with his wife? IDK, if I was Rumi, maybe I would have also never forgiven him.


My problem though is with how Hamna's life was all rosy and nice eventually. She deserved the same amount of hurt and pain too. Her scenes with Azeem and where she was being all sassy on him was so laughable! I am sorry girl, but you had literally no right to blame Azeem for reacting badly with you..she deserved to suffer much more - because she is as much as fault as Hamza! IDK what they wanted to show - feminist angle or whatever - the problem is that Hamna is a perpetrator too along with being the victim. I am all for a harasser and blackmailer getting punished..but to show the girl being a victim, when she is the reason for the whole mess is so blaaahhhhhhhhh

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Posted: 5 years ago

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They actually tried addressing that yesterday. When Hamza said he never actually did anything or even thought of doing anything. At that point, Rumi who is sharper than her genius sister, calls his bluff and imo, rightly points out that he couldn't have exposed Humna because that would have ended his whole revenge scheme. Once Humna was exposed, one of two things would have happened: either Azeem divorces her/her dad disowns her or neither of the two-but either way Hamza's game would be over.

It was sloppy work overall, but I kind of see what they were going for. I don't watch dramas for their potential tho, so they needed to do better.

One thing that's confused me throughout kind of makes sense seeing the end though. I always thought Hamza was wishy-washy about Rumi and only when her dad died did he actually talk about ending his feud with Hamna and that he was in love with Rumi before that it was just us speculating because Feroz/Hania scenes were fun to watch.

He wasnt bluffing šŸ˜† If you have seen the entire series , his revenge was to scare humna. If he showed the messages , the revenge was over YES , that's what it was. He did not want his revenge to be over. Dono ek hi baat toh kar rahe hai phir šŸ˜† all the time he wanted to put humna in a tight spot ..he cleared it to her before this mess started, that this revenge will.be between them and except her nobody will be hurt and nobody will.be involved but..he used rumi , so he was punished for it..fine..


I never supported him marrying rumi for revenge , nor am I sad for rumi and humza not ending up together...I have accepted that rumi didnt forgive him..fair enuf..infact if the makers wanted this kind of an ending , there was no need to show them in love bec their love ultimately didnt hold ANY value for rumi.....He could have easily pulled off an alishba on humna , sit on the sofa and smirk without this blackmail and revenge stunt. Alishba should be praised for this act. Her revenge was the ultimate ..no?šŸ˜† icant stand the unfair treatment to humna, hence the extreme reactions šŸ˜†

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Posted: 5 years ago

Enuf ranting. Sorry guys. Serial.khatam.kahani khatam. I need to get over it.thx for tolerating šŸ¤—

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Posted: 5 years ago

My curiosity got the better of me and here I am again The discourse shouldn't be about whether RumZa deserved a happy or sad ending but about what kind of ending it was. It's about whether the ending made sense or not.


1) I've seen Gul E Rana and YDM and over there I understood the endings even though I would have preferred them to turn out differently. But at the end of the day,they made sense. Even if the audience didn't like the ending,from a logical perspective,it was clear as to why the girls chose to get out of toxic relationships and start afresh. Also neither Adeel nor Amaan turned mentally unstable like Hamza did. They made mistakes,suffered its consequences and turned over a new leaf which is why those endings were bittersweet.


Same goes for Khaani. I loved Mir Hadi's character but not once did I expect him to have a happily ever after with the female lead considering the nature of the crime he committed. In a way,his ending made sense as well.


However in Ishqiya,the ending was too illogical and half baked. I had always made my stand clear. Hamza and Hamna were a packaged deal. If the drama took a realistic route and one got punished then the other should be as well. But if the drama adhered to the principle of fiction and gave one a happy ending then the other should get the same as well. If Azeem could forgive Hamna then it wasn't impossible for Rumi to forgive Hamza as well. But giving Hamna a happily ever after with Azeem while snatching everything from Hamza is precisely the reason why this ending S.U.C.K.E.D. Logic and reasonableness can very well be chucked out of the window.


2) As far as the notion of people being more forgiving towards toxic male characters while ignoring the character development of toxic female characters is concerned,then I'm speaking for myself personally. If a character is interesting and showcases development then rest assured I'll root for them regardless of the gender they belong to. I haven't watched many Pak dramas with grey shaded female characters who turned over a new leaf but didn't get a happy ending. The only ones I've seen are Koi Chand Rakh and Mere Paas Tum Ho and the female characters barely had any development in both. But there was this Indian drama called Beyhadh which was highly popular a few years ago around the same time that Khaani was on air. Many loved that show and its female lead Maya despite the fact that she was a fully fledged dark character. The outrage over Ishqiya's ending was nothing in front of the aftermath which Beyhadh's ending had. There was also another Indian drama called Ishq Mein Marjawan where the antiheroine Tara was more popular as compared to the female lead Aarohi. Also over there Tara was the one who got everything at the end including the guy.In Swaragini,Ragini had toxic traits but was redeemed eventually.So more than the gender,it has more to do with the kind of character. Hamza is actually the sanest and least toxic as compared to the ones mentioned above šŸ˜†


3) As far as Rumi being unable to accept a man who was once in love with her sister is concerned then a point to be noted is that Hamza gave up on Hamna the moment he got out of that coma. His aim was to make her undergo the same pain as he did and not get her back in his life. He never ever wanted her back even before he fell in love with Rumi.


When this show had newly begun,it was being compared to Yaariyan. In Yaariyan,the scenario was even more complicated coz the sisters literally interchanged their partners. Umair was 100x times worse than Hamza and Zobia was an unapologetic female grey character unlike our bechari Hamna. However both of them got an happy ending over there with the people they were in love with. The bottomline is that this in fiction and idhar kuch bhi possible hai. What matters the most is that the ending should be a satisfying one.


This is the reason why the ending of Ishqiya lowered the status of the show from below average to mediocre with Feroze and Hania as the sole saving grace.


Okay this was my final rant. Adios guys šŸ¤—

Edited by LawlessLawyer - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

in the end of the day its a drama and not real life.We turn onto watch dramas to be entertained,not to get depressed.Dramas are not reality,it can take whatever turn the writer wants.It is the audience for whom a drama is made and when the majority wanted and constantly requested for a happy ending of rumza,the makers needed to honour their wish as its the viewers which had made the show popular.Dramas can have fairy tales,it needs not be measured in moral compass of right or wrong.Dramas are not made for moral policing for god sake.There are worst characters than hamza who have been given happy ending in a platter after doing many shitty things without much effort.Then why the viewers didnt get what they wanted!!

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Posted: 5 years ago

even adieus from my side as well.It has been so much fun here discussing and ranting about the showšŸ¤—

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Posted: 5 years ago

I believe the director and writer were partial to Hamna and Ramsha, they didnt care about Hamza and Rumi too wasnt important for them otherwise they would have executed her point of view in the end better. They kind of made her look very selfish esp when then showed her take her sister back in her life. I dont get these women? In ydm too Ana overlooked Aman suffering completely and here I agree she didnt have to take back Hamza but why be fine with her sister. This is unfair.

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Posted: 5 years ago

i've got mixed feelings about the ending, if hamza was a female character then the audience wouldn't have been so outraged like they are now...most would have cheered that she got a sad ending for what she had done...


but then again we see time and time again how male characters who are cheaters/rapists/wife beaters being forgiven so easily and the girl takes him back..so compared to them hamza wasn't as bad..


and i see Rumi's point of view as well..she was heartbroken and their relationship will never be the same again..what Hamza did/plus the miscarriage will linger on forever and there will be resentment/anger/trust issues etc and they will most likely end up being bitter married couple..


yeah get rid of a relationship that doesn't add value to your life and mental wellbeing....i guess that is a good empowering message as well..

Edited by Bulbbul_Pandey - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

OK Chalo let's start from the beginning,

Hamna dumped Hamza and married the guy her father chose for her. Hamna the good daughter sacrificed her love for Hamza for her father and iska badla use mila in the form of a Azeem husband like Azeem.


If Hamza had done the same dumped Hamna and married Alishba on Saman's insistence, the entire scenario would change, Hamza the rich playboy played with a middle class girl then dumped her for a rich babe.


Hamza crashed his car he could have died nothing was done.

If Hamna would have tried to commit suicide because Hamza dumped her a complaint wouldd have been filed against him, morcha jata uske ghar he would have been brought to justice.


Hamna dumped Hamza and it is true it did not give him the right to blackmail her for revenge even if he was just trying to scare her no one has sided with Hamza over this also he did not need to marry Rumi we all say that but Hamna also can't get a clean chit. Azeem was right koi khamiyaza nahi bhukta Hamna ne waise AB ne bhi nahi bhukta tha only Rumi and more than her Hamza has suffered.

Hamna was given the clean chit only because like a good daughter she married the guy her father choose for her. If SS would have found out about it and he would have passed away because of that shock yes the society would have blamed her, iss ladki ko dekho she let her ex marry her sister and her father passed away because of it. Society the one that makes sense would have blamed both Hamna and Hamza.


They wanted to show the message that guys when rejected should not turn criminal in any way, blackmail, kidnap, acid attack, rape etc whatever, this message actually got lost as Hamna did not come out as a victim.


Rumi's dialogue about mohabbat badnaam nahi karti, darati nahi, tahaffuz deti hai etc sab sahi tha sab mana, mohabbat mein badla nahi hota par mohabat mein badlav hota hai, Hamza galat tha na toh tum use badlo na apni mohabbat se bring him on the right path, she is a teacher right, if her student is caught doing something wrong won't she teach him the right path


They made the end very clear the day Hamza told Hamna that Rumi and I are very much alike, Hamza did not forgive Hamna and Rumi did not forgive Hamza.

This was not and open end this was the shittiest end, Hamna ki itni saari khushiyan dikhane ki koi zaroorat nahi thi, like in Yaariyan Sadia settled compromised when she took Umair back whereas Zoobie Doobie and Ahmer ka full on happy reunion full fledged date ke saath dikhaya tha.


There is not RumZa in Ishqiya they did not show the divorce but it was very evident that they are so over.


Rumi's love for Humza was show like she fell in love with Hamza because he was her husband husband se pyar karna is mandatory, she fell in love more when she heard he crashed the car for her filmy pyar jaisa hai hero ne mere liye building se kooda now I am in love with him. the kind of personality she had she was possessive about him just like Hamza was about Hamna. Gehra deep pyar nahi dikhaya so it evaporated so quickly, she felt betrayed more by Hamza because she found out and now believes Hamza never loved her. Koi pyar vyar nahi tha mujhse when she said this it showed her like a girl who feels he loved my sister but not me, why did he not love me. Nahi it was shown poorly Hamza betrayal towards her became all about Hamna.


Hamza ko mentally unstable dikhaya at the end was also wrong, yes his heart gt broken twice, yes he was in deep pain and may never move on but to be stuck in that place in the darkness he did not deserve this.


Hamza ko saza dilaayi kyun nahi for blackmailing Hamna? Hamna ka sach sabke samne aata and the first thing ppl would say how could she let her ex marry her sister good thing her father died before knowing this nahi toh iske shock se mar jaate. Tab Hamna par blame aata but they wanted her to get off the hook for everything.


Wah sirf two bits dekha and read the comments mera matha ghoom raha hai good thing did not watch the episode will cool down then definitely watch it.

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Romantic Reveries

Posted: 5 years ago

Thank you guys for discussing this drama till the end, and saving me from a heartbreak.🄺 I enjoyed reading your discussions. your Hajmola and goongi made me rofle.🤣 I will try to watch all Rumza scenes in future , coz Feroze and Hania scenes were the only worth watching scenes as I assumed from your discussions.😃

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