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Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa
Where are you honey? So I know what to talk đ
Agyaanta means not being knowledgeable
Gyaan ka opposite agyaaan
I'm on Episode 56. Sid has been offered to go to Russia for a year, and Anu is really upset by this, and told him that she'll go to America forever after Kartik's wedding. đ„ș
Originally posted by: asmaanixx
I'm on Episode 56. Sid has been offered to go to Russia for a year, and Anu is really upset by this, and told him that she'll go to America forever after Kartik's wedding. đ„ș
HOLY SHITTTT!!!!!!
GIRLLLLLLLLL.
OH BOY.
Itni aaaage!
You saw the LIGHTS OUT OMGGGG.âșïž
I jumped when Anushka left KK and ran behind Sid for the tie. OMG THAAAATđ
And the cowbelllllll.â€ïžâșïž
56-60 is a HUGE LEAP of story in itself.
These 4 episodes change everything.
Accha what do you think who killed Prabhakar?đ€
Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa
HOLY SHITTTT!!!!!!
GIRLLLLLLLLL.
OH BOY.
Itni aaaage!
You saw the LIGHTS OUT OMGGGG.âșïž
I jumped when Anushka left KK and ran behind Sid for the tie. OMG THAAAATđ
And the cowbelllllll.â€ïžâșïž
56-60 is a HUGE LEAP of story in itself.
These 4 episodes change everything.
Accha what do you think who killed Prabhakar?đ€
40-60 is the best phase of the story. The best, for me.
There is SO MUCH that happens! DAMNNN.
The party, the pranks, the friendship, the love.
Haaye main marrr jaawan
The lights out scene was SO HOT! If the kambhakt lights hadn't turned back on, then pakka they would have kissed each other.
Ufh! The way the tie was revisited was đ. Apne ghusse mein, he didn't bother to consider how Anushka might get affected.
I love how the cowbell keeps popping up in unexpected ways. When it was first introduced, I thought Sid would use it to propose as he had initially intended, but that didn't happen at all. It came up so casually, and it managed to convey the message even better than a direct proposal would have.
I think Rao is behind it. The way KK keeps saying that Rao knows everything without my saying, makes me wonder if he had gotten it wrong this time around. Same thing with Neeta. Rao might have just assumed that's something that KK wants, when really he didn't.
Tbh, I'm in two minds about KK. When that minister had arrived, and his friends had made their own veiled threats, KK hadn't said anything. He didn't need to make any threats himself, because everyone else had presented themselves as a strong front. By their power alone, a vast amount of fear was instilled. It's making me think, that's how KK has operated most of his life. Surround himself by really powerful, who then go on to act in ways that they think will profit them all. He very well could be behind all this, but the way he had reacted upon Prabhakar's death, it seemed really genuine. Even in private moments, he is deeply affected by the loss of his friend. E.g., when he was reading the Bhagavad Gita, he mentioned how everyone sees the end results, but no one sees the sacrifices he had made to get them - losing his best friend.
IT REALLY IS! I felt like it was in those episodes that we finally got to the meat of the story. Baaki sab toh set up tha. And I totally get what you meant by the overall attitude changing on Siddhant, and wanting to root for him. The kind of traps he's laying for the Reddy family are đ. Extremely clever, cunning, strategic, jitne bhi adjectives laga loon, kam hai.
Originally posted by: asmaanixx
They're playing the EDKV song!!!!
Now I'm gonna be listening to it on repeat till who knows how long.
I cannot tell you how much I've loved Anushka in this phase. Such a STRONG PERSON, the head of Reddy Pharmaceuticals and shielding Sid in all possible and dominant ways
Inspite of everything he did.
I LOVEEEE ANUUUUUUU.âșïž
Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa
I cannot tell you how much I've loved Anushka in this phase. Such a STRONG PERSON, the head of Reddy Pharmaceuticals and shielding Sid in all possible and dominant ways
Inspite of everything he did.
I LOVEEEE ANUUUUUUU.âșïž
MAAAHHIIIIII!!!
OMGGGG
I FINISHED THE ENTIRE SHOW AND I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.
Originally posted by: asmaanixx
MAAAHHIIIIII!!!
OMGGGG
I FINISHED THE ENTIRE SHOW AND I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.
Whhooooaaaaa!!!! REALLY!!???
You were so fast I can't even!đłđČ
I think I had predicted KK's suicide after that bridge scene when Prabhakar's ghost haunts him. And there couldn't be other befitting end! KK dying the SAME way he killed PS.
And in the end, he wanted Sid by his side, Sid keeping a part of both to himself with that photograph and Sidushka's hugâ€ïž
I wanted a more elaborate ending though, with the families moving on past KK's death, Sri, Kartik and Sid all three taking over KKR and Sidushka's babyđ
I think the BEST part of the show was their marriage was the highest point in their relationship unlike infamous spoiled marriages of ITV. They didn't ruin their wedding and THANK GOD for that! Anu indirectly KNEW about this whole KK killed PS hoax (yeah, hoax for her at that time) yet married him! Accepted how difficult it might be for Sid to accept so why is she backing out!?
And then that night bedroom scene of their where Sid asks her if she regrets marrying him and she says she would've married him IRRESPECTIVE so there they were âșïž
Anushka finally being a Sinha, the brightest and bestest Sinha!â€ïž
Also I LOVED all the times she stood up for Sid, irrespective of their relationship status. Whether it was not letting him hijack Sudhanshu Mikhail meet or Heera murder case or the more light hearted Sid's relieving letter from BoD đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
And last but not the least, the FAITH she always had in him. The way she flirted with him. The way she rebuked Vedant đ€Ș
The drunk night. The bed rule break. The bike rides.
Now Sid traversing this WHOLE journey. From being a rebel to being Prabhakar's SIDDHANT.
From pushing her away to marrying her to keep her away from KK đ€Ș
GOSSSHHH. Do you remember that gun scene when Sid points the gun at Anu? That was crazy!
Another best moment is when Sid tells Anu she's the most real and befitting Sinha; Prabhakar's daughter. That jhoole waala hug. And her keeping him by her side while uncovering the truth.
Even their BREAKUP was SO BEAUTIFUL and meaningful I've no complaints. It's almost like everything made SO MUCH sense, after the initial episodes you hardly have complaints with anyone! Not even Kartik or Anna after some point! And not at all with the maha parakrami saleeke waala Sidđ€Ł
There's no stopping to this rant đ€Ș
So I'll post my VMs now:
Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa
Whhooooaaaaa!!!! REALLY!!???
You were so fast I can't even!đłđČ
I think I had predicted KK's suicide after that bridge scene when Prabhakar's ghost haunts him. And there couldn't be other befitting end! KK dying the SAME way he killed PS.
And in the end, he wanted Sid by his side, Sid keeping a part of both to himself with that photograph and Sidushka's hugâ€ïž
I wanted a more elaborate ending though, with the families moving on past KK's death, Sri, Kartik and Sid all three taking over KKR and Sidushka's babyđ
I think the BEST part of the show was their marriage was the highest point in their relationship unlike infamous spoiled marriages of ITV. They didn't ruin their wedding and THANK GOD for that! Anu indirectly KNEW about this whole KK killed PS hoax (yeah, hoax for her at that time) yet married him! Accepted how difficult it might be for Sid to accept so why is she backing out!?
And then that night bedroom scene of their where Sid asks her if she regrets marrying him and she says she would've married him IRRESPECTIVE so there they were âșïž
Anushka finally being a Sinha, the brightest and bestest Sinha!â€ïž
Also I LOVED all the times she stood up for Sid, irrespective of their relationship status. Whether it was not letting him hijack Sudhanshu Mikhail meet or Heera murder case or the more light hearted Sid's relieving letter from BoD đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
And last but not the least, the FAITH she always had in him. The way she flirted with him. The way she rebuked Vedant đ€Ș
The drunk night. The bed rule break. The bike rides.
Now Sid traversing this WHOLE journey. From being a rebel to being Prabhakar's SIDDHANT.
From pushing her away to marrying her to keep her away from KK đ€Ș
GOSSSHHH. Do you remember that gun scene when Sid points the gun at Anu? That was crazy!
Another best moment is when Sid tells Anu she's the most real and befitting Sinha; Prabhakar's daughter. That jhoole waala hug. And her keeping him by her side while uncovering the truth.
Even their BREAKUP was SO BEAUTIFUL and meaningful I've no complaints. It's almost like everything made SO MUCH sense, after the initial episodes you hardly have complaints with anyone! Not even Kartik or Anna after some point! And not at all with the maha parakrami saleeke waala Sidđ€Ł
There's no stopping to this rant đ€Ș
So I'll post my VMs now:
Haha, once Sid had that moment with his father on the terrace, the show got SO GOOD, I just couldn't stop!
Overall, it was a really strong show that faltered in ways towards the end. I watched a small clip of Namit yesterday, wherein he had mentioned that the show was supposed to be a finite series of 180 episodes, and that makes SO much sense. Those extra 60 episodes would have done SO much to tighten up all the loose ends, and not leave behind so many questions. However, despite the cut on the episodes, they still did a good job of finishing the overall story, and getting the main message across.
Since I have a lot of thoughts, and theyâre all over the place, Iâll try to collect them as coherently as I can whilst answering to the points you made.
The Ending:
There was undoubtedly a poetic touch to the manner in which KK and Prabhakar died. When Prabhakar died, Siddhant was disillusioned with his fatherâs character, and believed whatever was told to him. Prabhakar ultimately died in his sonâs arms, and was reaching out to him even in his dying breath. Siddhant had reached out to him in earnest, but simply couldnât make the union possible. There were still so many doubts plaguing his mind, and the values, and principles he believed in, were in direct contrast to the ones Prabhakar had. In that sense alone, they were on opposite ends of the spectrum, as demonstrated by the gap in between their hands. But despite that gap, Siddhant had taken the step to get closer to his father.
Funny enough, KK brought resolution to a lot of the problems that were created for Siddhant. The disillusionment of the ends justifying the means was broken by KK killing Prabhakar. The distance Siddhant felt with his father was lessened by his motivation of getting his murderer arrested. Even in his dying moment, KK gave Siddhant the closure that he needed with his fatherâs death. They touched hands, but they were not the same in terms of their beliefs. This time, Siddhant was aligned with his father, and stood juxtaposed to KK, who was on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Another element of poetry was undoubtedly KKâs death. Ingesting the same slow poison that he used to kill Prabhakar, brought things to full circle. Everything KK has done in his life has always been via wrong, and easy methods. He never had to answer to his crimes, and by committing suicide, he took the ultimate escape route. Now, heâll never have to face the humiliation, or disgrace the public would have thrown at him. Heâll never have to see his empire crumble before his eyes, or confess to his crimes. Yes, he confessed to Anushka, but that sole testimony wonât hold in court. Even if he is tried for his crimes, then at most theyâll be able to pin him for the crimes committed against the Krishnamurthys. But even then, they donât have any real, solid proofs. Itâs merely hearsay, and thatâs circumstantial at best. He wonât be tried for the airline crash, Prabhakarâs death, or Sweetyâs. Yes, Rao is being tried for them for having actually committed them, but KK will never be pinned for them. In the publicâs eyes, he will still have strong chances of maintaining a good, clean image.
I wanted KK to answer for his crimes, and for that he needed to be dragged to court. I wanted Siddhant to play out the David and Goliath story, by filing a case against the mighty KK Reddy, while working at the smaller Khuranna law firm. I wanted him to win the case on his own merit, and rise to the fame that he had always wanted via the correct methods. It would have brought things to another full circle, as he had started the show defending a Reddy and winning via incorrect ones.
Most importantly, KKâs family needed to realize just how despicable he is. Neeta needed to realize that her inattentiveness, and ignorance doomed a lot of relations in the family. Srikant, and Kartik needed to realize that they have to craft an identity of their own, and not dedicate every single aspect of their life to their parents. Yes, showing them respect is very important, and admirable, but there are some instances when itâs best to do what their own heartsâ desire. Case in point, Kartikâs marriage. He had rushed into it without taking the time out to even know Nupur, because he blindly believed and followed whatever KK said. Yes, parents have our best interests in heart, but in KKâs case, he was largely looking out for himself. His main reason for getting married was Srivastav's interest in opening up bank branches in India. They didnât even bother to know Nupur. They met once, thought she was sweet aur hogayi shaadi pakki. It doesnât work like that. On first meetings, everyone is on their best behavior, and are always interested in presenting their best selves forward. After all, the best impression is the last impression. They could have opted for the wedding date that took place six months later, so that they could have gotten the time to know one another, but they were in far too much of a hurry to get things finalized. Once again pointing out that jald baazi mein liye hue faisle, hamesha sahi nahi hote.
There is definitely something to be said about the photograph, but Iâm not really sure about my thoughts on it as of now. This is what I have running in my head so far:
Both Prabhakar, and KK had made a bet as to who Siddhant will end up being most like. The first quarter of his life, Siddhant spent it in the aspiration of becoming like KK - powerful, rich, extremely successful, and willing to do anything to get there. Now, he will be living the rest of his life like his father - happy, compassionate, responsible, and treading on the right path no matter how hard it is. Both these men undoubtedly play a HUGE role in creating the very core of who he is. Itâs not always easy for him to do the right thing though. Following in Prabhakarâs footsteps comes more naturally to Anushka since she imbibed those philosophies within her since she was younger. These understandings came to Siddhant much later, that too when he had formed characteristics that are quintessential to who he is. We saw this when he continued to be sneaky against KK, or pulling out a gun at him, after learning KK threatened Gayatri. It is so easy for him to do the wrong thing, while the right methods come much harder. This is why he needed people like Anushka, and Sweety by his side to make sure he stayed on the correct path. Siddhantâs goals may be righteous, but if itâs reached by the wrong methods, then the righteousness of it becomes diminished.
I think it's also very telling that the act of him pocketing the photograph was immediately followed up by him hugging Anushka. By flesh and blood, Prabhakar and KK are now in the past but their actions, and ideologies will always affect their future. Siddhant and Anushka need to learn from the mistakes that were made, and strive to ensure that theyâre not repeated. Anushka has the power of knowledge, but most importantly, she has the power of compassion. The level of empathy she showers onto people is next to none. Even when Siddhant had filed the case against the Reddy corporation on behalf of the ex female employees, she pointed out that itâs a hollow victory if itâs not done with the right intention. I.e., using them to get revenge against KK is still the wrong thing to do, because he ended up using them as a pawn in his own little game. Siddhant, although he has made tremendous progress, still has ways to go before he can be considered inherently good. He still wavers, he still has doubts, and there will be times when he needs to be pointed out where heâs going wrong.
The Family:
To be honest, I expected a lot more from the Reddy family, and I think they suffered due to the shortened episodes.
The women, while decent, fell very short. The only one who I found was written out decently was Riddhi. Neeta was only used when it was relevant to the plot, otherwise she was barely shown, and honestly it made no sense to me. She didnât have a conversation with Kartik before his marriage, but I can allow that considering how quickly it was all done. But what was the excuse for Anushkaâs marriage? She knew full well that Anushka was hesitant regarding the wedding, but she still made no efforts to check in on her. If not that, then at least have a heart to heart with your daughter before she leaves. But that disconnect with not just her, but everyone else in the family made me feel disconnected with her as a character. I just saw her as someone who is very ignorant, and oblivious to everything going around her. Nupur was another character that wasnât dug into deep enough. She came off as being very shallow, irritable, and extremely dislikable. Yes, Kartik and she hadnât known each other too well before their marriage, but we at least saw Kartik trying to make things work. But she would constantly find ways to either put him down, disregard his efforts, or belittle him. I wasnât surprised when he ended up falling in love with Purva instead.
For Srikant, I wanted him to do as he said and actually try to open up his own business separate from the Reddy name. He could have even helped out his father-in-law, and they both could have ventured into a new space. This way, Sudhanshu wouldnât feel so alone, and Riddhi would feel proud that thereâs someone else apart from her who cares for her family. Then, thereâs the extra proud feeling of her husband attempting to craft an identity of his own. Srikant focusing his energies onto something else would have meant less time spent on the Reddy corporation, which would have added further divisions, and complications in the family. Siddhant would have also gotten another avenue in which he could create misunderstandings, and bring down the company.
For Kartik, I really wanted him to find out about KKâs truth so that he could act out on his promise of leaving the Reddyâs forever. Him buying the coalmine and gifting it to KK spoke volumes about how much he loved, respected, and idolized his father. Him leaving the Reddyâs wealth, fame, and name, would have forced him to re-evaluate everything he considered to be important. He too, was most focused on maintaining a clean, and pristine image for Reddyâs reputation. But given what KK did, that focus would also have been lost.
Regarding his divorce with Nupur, KK would have never accepted it. Kartik would have been the one going for it, while KK would have opposed it because he would have lost out on the bank deals with the Srivastavâs. This problem, while advantageous for Siddhant since it would have created a lot of problems between the Srivastavâs and Reddyâs, would have been difficult as well since it involved his own sister. Another wonderful chance of creating some extremely great conflicts!
The Wedding:
The wedding was still in line with whatâs typically shown in ITV. The multiple attempts in trying to keep the main couple apart, the high drama of police getting involved - it was all very typical. I do like that it wasnât dragged out for too long though. It was all dealt with simply, and in due time.
Also, I think Vedantâs arc suffered greatly because of the shortened episodes. Vedant was a great guy, and the only fault that he had was seeing Anushka as nothing but an opportunity to rise in his own career. There was no reason for him to turn out to be so aggressive. Him wanting to have Siddhant be chopped into pieces, buried into the ground, and even push Anushka to the ground was so OTT. Even the threat that he had made against KK went nowhere. He could have been the ultimate nail in the coffin for KK as Vedant could have pulled some strings and made sure to punish KK in the worst ways possible. It would have been ironic as well, since KK had wanted to use him for the ultimate protection, but instead, Vedant would have been the one to ensure he got put away in prison forever. If not KK, then Vedant could have also gone after Siddhant when he was arrested for Heeraâs murder. He could have directed his anger onto Siddhant and made things difficult for him legally, like denying his bail or putting his license to practice law at risk.
Siddhant and Anushka:
Their love for each other undoubtedly is one of the strongest that I have ever seen on ITV. The sheer amount of faith, and trust they have in each other is akin to the rigidity of a mountain. Nothing gets in the way of the love, and affection they have for one another. Yes, there are a lot of things they disagree on. They fight from the littlest of things to the most grave, but they always find a way to guide one another, and steer the other onto the right path. They donât try to throw their ideas onto the other, but rather wait for them to come to the conclusion on their own. Theyâre highly respectful of each otherâs capabilities, and never try to belittle the other because of their intelligence. Of course, their social status played a huge part in creating misunderstandings between one another, but it never came in the way of them fostering love. That still bloomed beautifully, and assisted in creating, what I believe to be, one of the most iconic and special couples in ITV.
That being said, I did feel as if there were some inconsistencies towards the end of the show. I didnât expect Anushka to blindly believe such a harsh accusation against her father, but she never really bothered to ask Siddhant as to why he held such a strong belief. She should have questioned him about it sooner. Also, the last two episodes were wholly dedicated to her confrontation with KK. I completely understand that it was necessary for her to find out the truth, and have him fall in her eyes. Itâs only the ramifications of that revelation that would have shaken KK to his core, and possibly move him to reflect on what he has done. As we saw, yes he was ashamed of Anushka doubting his love for him, but he still held a very arrogant attitude about what he has achieved versus Prabhakar. He still didnât understand Prabhakarâs ideals, and that was his great loss.
Overall:
As mentioned above, I really do wish Siddhant had gotten the opportunity to take KK to court. I donât know how well he would have done given all the circumstantial evidence, but I did want him to bring out the truth about KK Reddy. During this process, he would have gotten the opportunity to clear own fatherâs name, and find out just why he was targeted by KK out of all the lawyers. Was it only because of his loyalty that he was sought out? But given his principles, KK had to know that someday, Prabhakar may end up being troublesome for him. So why go to this great length to get him?
I also wanted Siddhant to go after the remaining members of SHARK but I suppose they were cut out because of the shortened episodes. The illusion the Reddy family had of KK also had to be broken, but that never happened. The media, and the public should have held KK accountable for all his wrong doings, and added increased pressure for him to be punished. The name, image, and reputation - everything he had done thus far to maintain so pristinely, should have all been targeted. The ramifications of his actions should have affected his children. Anushka already thought ill of him, but what about the boys? What actions would the next generation of Reddys take knowing the kind of man their father was? Would they completely dissolve the Reddy empire and venture into doing their own things? Or, would they maintain the name and attempt to recreate themselves?
There are so many questions left unanswered, and I donât know if thatâs necessarily a bad thing. It does indicate that there was a lot of material left to be explored, and if given the opportunity to do so, they could have fleshed things out a lot more. Like, the ultimate fight between KK & Siddhant. Siddhant revealing his intentions towards KK came so out of left field for me since KK was still in a lot of power. He wasnât that greatly affected by Sudhanshu, and Heeraâs departure. Whatever power they had insinuated at, comes off as being hollow. It would have been more interesting if things went like this: SHARK has been completely dismantled, and fearing losing out on his power, KK tries to get Anushka married off to Vedant. Siddhant intervenes by reminding KK of his promise to give him whatever he asked for. Of course, KK would at first refuse but when he finds out that Anushka also loves Siddhant, he would be cornered and will have to get them married. So now, KK has lost out on his final trump card, Vedant, as well. Siddhant marries Anushka, and on the wedding day, Siddhant reveals to KK that he has been behind everything. That to me, would have been the ultimate blow to KK since he would have lost out on everything including Anushka. Now, KK is in a state of panic, and will be more willing to do anything and everything that he can to regain what he has lost. He will obviously make mistakes, and that in turn, could have assisted Siddhant in building a case against KK since heâs still treading on the wrong path.
Iâll stop here, but I totally understand what you meant about loving this show to the point of studying it. It really is well thought out! Makes me want to check out any other materials made by these creators. Do you know of any?
Re: Your VMs
They're SO beautifully made! I never heard of the female version of Shayad before, but it suited them so beautifully. <3
The parallels you showed in the second one with Anushka constantly walking away, were spot on! Every time she walked away from him was a painful moment, but it was also justified. It made, and it was the right thing to do.
The last one has given me ALL the feels! Made me want to watch KRPKAB again. đđđ Also the song choice! Did you notice the Titanic poster that was up on Siddhant's wall? It was SO telling given Anushka and his relationship. Despite all the distances between them, despite all the time that passes, their love for each other remained strong as ever. It also echoes Anushka telling Siddhant, that her love for him is as deep as the ocean. And we all know what relationship the ocean has with the Titanic.
In a way, it also reflected what Siddhant was doing by trying to get Anushka to marry Vedant. Siddhant believed that he had to take himself out of the picture so that Anushka could live a happy life. Get married, have kids, grow old etc. If Anushka had married Vedant, she may have done whatever was required of her, but she wouldn't have ever been able to truly love him. All that love was reserved only for Siddhant. I'm glad that he got to his senses, and stopped the marriage in time. <3
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