2020 Films till the time India was Lockdown - Outsiders vs Nepokids - Page 3

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

As long he was in it. He tried his hardest and there is valid evidence for that. Yes he could have left it college because opportunities presented themselves that he thought he could make better use of. But until he was studying he tried his hardest. A college drop out can significant accomplishments. Ranking 7th on his engineering entrance exams is one of them. Umm.. India actually has cheaper universities than the USA. As Sara said she still uses her education to be an informed individual. Sushant was still a philanthropist and he continued educating himself. He had many side projects to that his fans have talked about. I didn't thrash Sooraj because he didn't go to college. I thrashed him for flunking 12th. Im not sure if that counts as college for you. Clearly he never tried because as a sense of entitlement he thought he would never have to. It serves him right to be a flop star who will only be known as a good for nothing star kid. Sushant could have gone back to college whenever he wanted to if movies didn't work out because he never flunked out. Unless Sooraj had some type of depression or disability. But he has never spoken about it. Im sure he was at least smart enough to pass 12th. It is not medical school.

I was pointing out the comparison between the two. What they did individually, their accomplishments or the lack of it is not something that can be used as a comparison just because they belong to the same profession. Especially a profession that doesn't require a school certificate or a college degree. Its two individuals leading two different lives.

IMO Sushant and Sooraj should never be put in the same boat work ethic and determination wise. It would have been an elitist argument if Sooraj couldn't afford college and we were putting him down for that. It wasn't even about college.

There are so many small vegetable vendors. Only few supermarkets.

See how the small vegetable vendors are dominating the entire industry!! The helpless corporate companies are so weak and poor.

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

I was pointing out the comparison between the two. What they did individually, their accomplishments or the lack of it is not something that can be used as a comparison just because they belong to the same profession. Especially a profession that doesn't require a school certificate or a college degree. Its two individuals leading two different lives.

And I am making a point about work ethic and taking it for granted that you will have a career in movies. That is what nepotism does. It spoils these star kids and makes them act entitled even to the point they think they don't need to try as hard on a basic level education forget college.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17_

Sushant didn't quit because he took it for granted that he'll be in the industry, he has spoken about his decision to quit college in his interviews, his reasoning for quitting is because he didn't want a backup plan, if he had a backup plan, then he wouldn't have tried as hard as he did, without a backup plan, he had no choice but to go after his dreams.

The fact that he came from nothing, and made a name for himself in bollywood despite all hurdles and obstacles, shows his hardwork, talent, and determination.

Ah didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.

I shouldn't have said he took it for granted like that. I didn't mean it that he wasn't hard-working . I just went with the flow everybody who doesn't complete school or college is taking life for granted, so ended up saying it like that.

A movie's success is not just driven by the lead actor.

There are bhatero innu minnu movies.

Which ones do we know the most? The prestigious projects. They have best directors, bigger budgets, best technicians working on them. These projects are poached via nepotism.

Let's take a random example:

A producer thinks Chetan Bhagat's next novel can make a great movie.

So if Sushant is cast for Half Girlfriend, it'll then be snatched and given to Arjun Kapoor. But something like Sonchiriya will not be snatched.

Public ki aankhon mein Arjun gets visibility. Jo dikhata hai woh bikata hai. Over time by such practices Arjun becomes a star visible much more in public domain. And then this "star value" will be milked to snatch another project from say Ayushman and given to Mallika's fanta.

In short, your analysis is flawed. The reason for that chart is:

1. Better teams working in those movies

2. Better funded projects

3. Artificial star value created for these star kids by snatching projects from outsiders

4. Attacks on outsiders via PR & bikau critics like Masand thereby reducing the competition

5. Using bikau critics like Masand to pump in more star value for star kids

Originally posted by: Radhe2712

Audience was served with these films for 3 months, courtesy OUTSIDERs.

yes, you are right, outsider told the producers......no no, forced them at gun point to make below average movies

aapko samajh nahi rahe ya samajhna nahi chahte.........you are giving excuses like one of the nepo kid's parent........... 😆

outsiders are not given the kind of platform nepo kids are...... people already knew Jhanvi would debut in a few years, which movie was the only suspense, this small small steps of her career, of Sridevi being worried and KJO assuring her would also come in the articles to tell audience that Jhanvi is gearing up for bollywood.....as opposed to that how many outsiders strugglers names do we know currently who are everyday visiting all this production houses and casting agent to get a call for some project ??.....the kinda exposure and promotion that nepo kids get even before entering bollywood......outsiders dont get despite proving their talent.......

in fact your topic re-affirms what we have been saying all along......that outsiders are not even considered for those top projects even after they have proven their talent...........that the big ph's only want nepo kids to star in their movies.........there is not audition..............if the nepo kids dont suit the role, then adjust the role as per what suits the nepo kids...... if there are people who wants outsiders then force them to take nepo kids by investing money (Arjun Kapoor for Panipat) or just giving a phone call (DZ)

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

And I am making a point about work ethic and taking it for granted that you will have a career in movies. That is what nepotism does. It spoils these star kids and makes them act entitled even to the point they think they don't need to try as hard on a basic level education forget college.

Educational qualification doesn't determine work ethics. Just because Sooraj had all resources to finish education doesn't mean he had to. Maybe he wasn't good in studies and he didn't think its worth enough to keep trying.Plenty of people leave a formal education and move to skill training. I don't know much about the guy to know what he was doing or not doing but maybe he just moved to training to be an actor leaving school behind. I wouldn't say he took it for granted either cause this is the same industry that sees plenty of star kids failing to make a mark on a regular basis. Clearly Sooraj could see that side too unless he was completely delusional. He didn't even come from that top tier of star kids like Ranbir Kapoor and Abhishek Bachchan. His father was a lesser known actor who barely made any mark himself. So its not like all star kids think that this is a completely risk free job where they will surely have a career when in reality many can't. Anyways all of this assumptions on my part. But both of these guys have just made individual choices regarding their own lives, doesn't need to be compared.

Originally posted by: anjs

yes, you are right, outsider told the producers......no no, forced them at gun point to make below average movies

A lot of Outisders suck and whine when they fail. 😆