Patiala Babes Season 2 Discussion Thread - Page 33

Originally posted by: inlieu

I'm not quite sure if Mickey did indeed understand her most. I think it's mostly a case of her opening up to Mickey more than anyone else, which is why he learned what was going on with her on more detail. With everyone else she bottled up her feelings, I guess because they were going after the soul mate angle. Not sure how to explain it.

With HS, she started withdrawing from him in the pre-wedding period already because in her mind her project had been near completion and she had been successful in preparing for her mother to become his wife and he her mother's husband. He just wasn't that important to her. We can debate whether or not he took the time to read her, but the thing is, he and his wishes were never on her radar except in minor instances which involved Babita. There was only take, and in the Imarti track it was in huge part about her showing solidarity because he was right, he was struggling, and because he has done so much for them. It wasn't out and out for him, until she realized he had to get out of that mode so that Babita could get her due.

The main problem was the mismatch in expectations between them at different points in time. When he considered her his daughter she wasn't interested and relegated him to the status of Babita's husband, not even stepfather.

When he was feeling like a failure she told him she never asked for a father in this marriage. When he'd fully withdrawn she finally realized she wanted him as her father but she also fought with him and herself. Her anger won out but her love for highway sacrificed at the altar of her issues with Babita.

HS could have handled things differently or at least tried to actively keep an eye on her, but if I look.at her actions for a bit, the fact is she chose to hide things from her parents, and in this Mickey and Preet had not provided her guidance. Rather, they were complicit and watched her grow distant from her parents. They did not encourage her to mend fences whatsoever. Neither did NB, who is the biggest disappointment in all this.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Jean.....thank you very much for this post.🤗🤗😘😘. You said everything I wanted to but couldn't. I can't express how good I am feeling now.

🤗back.

The thing is, now that I've stopped watching, I can take a step back and reflect on the broader arc.

Originally posted by: _Reka_

Maybe they didn't even have time to elaborate all the whys and hows while on set on a super tight schedule. It could just be really improvisative and instinctive acting when being in the character.

This is one thing I don't feel I'll ever get closure on.

Originally posted by: inlieu

🤗back.

The thing is, now that I've stopped watching, I can take a step back and reflect on the broader arc.

One more thing I felt is with both Babitha and Mini, all relationships are one sided. We can clearly see this in HS- Babitha and Mini- Mickey relationships.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

I don't think Aniruddh will ever give us a direct answer for it. It's a story after all and this is a way that the character behaved. As to why he did it is up for personal interpretation.

It makes sense for her want to seek him out though. Whenever she has hit her lowest points, he was always there to help her out (apart from the Meeta incident). The lohri, the courtroom, Manmeet, or the hospital. In some form or another, he's always been there and just let her cry. Just cry her heart out, let out her frustrations and anguish and then he'll help in whatever way he can.

And that's how it's been for both of them really. Whenever HS has been low, she was there to pick him up and vice versa. Sukh ka saathi toh koi bhi ban sakta hai but dukh ka? Woh toh naseebo se milta hai and after so long they both had finally found each other.

I can just imagine if it had been Babita who died, he would've been the one to keep himself strong so that Minnie can mourn. He'd have put his feelings and the loss of his second wife on the back burner and put all his energies on his daughters instead. With time I'm sure Minnie would have helped him out with his mourning but sab se pehle HS ki chhoriyan aati.

So why do you think he won't give us an answer for it?

I'm telling you, until I can figure this out I won't be at peace. I tried to let it go but I couldn't.

As for the rest of the post, I completely agree. HS would be the strong one, and his world would revolve around his daughters.

Originally posted by: inlieu

So why do you think he won't give us an answer for it?

I'm telling you, until I can figure this out I won't be at peace. I tried to let it go but I couldn't.

As for the rest of the post, I completely agree. HS would be the strong one, and his world would revolve around his daughters.

I don't want to speak on his behalf or presume to know the way his mind thinks but I would like to believe that once the story is out there, it's up to the public to decide how they wish to interpret it. That's how it is for all narratives. The writer will have one vision, the director another, while the actor may envision something completely different. It's the entire team's job to make sure the initial vision (the writer's) comes to fruition. However, even then there's guarantee the audience will wholly understand it because they have their interpreting skills. Some people may catch on to the matter at hand right away while others may need some explaining. Then are those who will never catch no matter how much you try to break it down for them because they have already set their mind on one angle.

His job was to act out the material that was given to him and that's what he did. It's not his job or responsibility to tell the viewers how they should interpret the product. That's on them. However they choose to interact with it, enjoy it, dislike it, it's all at their perusal.

Besides, it's not like our opinions stay stagnant. They constantly change depending on the number of views or our current mood. Depending on our own experience and knowledge, the initial reactions we had to will change as they can either be reinforced or be challenged in ways that we hadn't initially predicted.

All in all, I don't want to presume this is his answer, but it's something that I would say if I were in his shoes.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

I don't want to speak on his behalf or presume to know the way his mind thinks but I would like to believe that once the story is out there, it's up to the public to decide how they wish to interpret it. That's how it is for all narratives. The writer will have one vision, the director another, while the actor may envision something completely different. It's the entire team's job to make sure the initial vision (the writer's) comes to fruition. However, even then there's guarantee the audience will wholly understand it because they have their interpreting skills. Some people may catch on to the matter at hand right away while others may need some explaining. Then are those who will never catch no matter how much you try to break it down for them because they have already set their mind on one angle.

His job was to act out the material that was given to him and that's what he did. It's not his job or responsibility to tell the viewers how they should interpret the product. That's on them. However they choose to interact with it, enjoy it, dislike it, it's all at their perusal.

Besides, it's not like our opinions stay stagnant. They constantly change depending on the number of views or our current mood. Depending on our own experience and knowledge, the initial reactions we had to will change as they can either be reinforced or be challenged in ways that we hadn't initially predicted.

All in all, I don't want to presume this is his answer, but it's something that I would say if I were in his shoes.

Looks like you and I think exactly the same way about this. It's what I believe too is the reason he didn't want to elaborate.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

This happened with me too. I was so mad at HS for not being there for Mini that I stopped watching. Once I became less emotionally attached to show I could clearly see what was bothering HS.

One more thing I felt is with both Babitha and Mini, all relationships are one sided. We can clearly see this in HS- Babitha and Mini- Mickey relationships.

What was bothering him?

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

They don't understand what Veer Balika means like HS & Minnie do. They knew under what context she was christened that name and the heavy weight it carries. For everyone else, it's just another word like "brave" or "courageous". There's no substance to it.

Dadu Beeji are a lost cause but Naeem Bi was a huge disappointment. I honestly hadn't expected that from her. I don't know. Naeem Bi did go back to the Haveli but I guess it was only because Minnie was there. As for the love for Arya, she might do so because she's an extension of HS, but I doubt she harbors any sort of love for Babita.

Idk, all the characters felt extremely disjointed. I mean, we got nothing from Lala or Poonam even though they were Hanita's best friends. Pinku got one to two lines while there was nothing from Saroj. Kammo and Khatri were there but not Rano. Like, there was no cohesiveness to it. They were all either after thoughts or non existent. They were reduced to the kind of characters we see in other shows. Side pieces, extras that no one really cares about. Appalling really, considering how each and every single one of those characters has been given a carefully detailed backstory from the previous season. For a new viewer, they would have no idea who these people are or how important they were to Hanita or even Minnie, the new protagonist.

@bold and this is exactly why she misses HS so much. He knew the context he understood her weaknesses. It reminded me of the scene where she was trying to be brave after Ashok was arrested but HS poked her saying that even if she was Veer Balika, she didn't need to be that brave. And then she couldn't hold back her tears, and neither could he. One of my all-time favorite scenes on the show.

The more I think about it, the more I have a feeling the original intent was for them to eventually become father-daughter after loads of trials and tribulations. But then they just did an about turn because they needed a base for season 2. Anyway... it still remains a beautiful bond.

As for what you said about the other characters, you're spot on about them appearing to be just like those we see in other shows. Viewers tuning in now will feel no connect to NB and her past, her bond with HS and how things went haywire, how she grew close to Minnie, her participation in the business, etc. Likewise with Dadu Beeji, who were already hard to digest, have now become token senior citizens. Bobby suddenly has a lot of dialogues and sensible words and Preet just seems to be exactly like she was 5 years ago. Never mind...

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

I guess PB ki duniya mein yeh sab chalta hai. I get that everyone has issues with their parents, and depending on the context the distance could be warranted. However, in the context of what happened between Minnie & Hanita, it feels a bit overboard.

Their biggest mistake was to let her part on bitter terms for reasons that seem almost baseless compared to the magnitude of the rift. She could have parted with some frustration, clashes with them about different ideologies, etc. but not so much as to be completely apart for 5 years. It would have still made for a great season 2 without all the contrived drama.