Sept 10th: Kadmon ke nishaan - Page 6

Originally posted by: sheen97

Great analysis

I always believed babita will turn out to be healer. She just have so much love filled inside her. She has huge capacity to absorb the pain. Be it hers or her loved ones.

I don't know why but I can imagine scene where she will place HS head on her goodh, will slowly slowly cajole her hands on his hair and will sing a Lori and he will cry all his pain out and for the first time in so many years will get a peaceful sleep.

When babes sang Lori for mini, boy his tear that escaped showed his pain

Yep, yeh scene toh pucca aayega ek din.

Babita singing the lori for Mini and him getting emotional hearing it was foreshadowing.

The makers will bring Babita’s nurturing side to the fore ultimately for HS as well, I don’t doubt that at all :) As you rightly said, her capacity to absorb pain is immense....and she will need that quality as she helps HS work his way through this.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I think so too, especially if her mental health issues surface.

As I keep saying, I have a feeling his role as a father will evolve too and he will have to learn more about her. Otherwise he can't help prevent her mann me gaanth from causing her damage.

Absolutely. There is still a lot they both have to learn about being father-daughter to each other.

It is one thing to give each other the title of father and daughter....it’s another thing to live it in all it’s shades. Both HS and Mini love each other immensely but HS has never been a proper father to a child before and Mini has never really had a father in her life all these years.

So evolve they must...they still have a lot to learn and understand about each other as they grow into this bond.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Of course she is still more leaning towards her mother, who she spent all her life with. HS is still new in her life and there's a lot they still need to understand and learn about each other. She hasn't accepted him 100% as her father yet.

I meant from his perspective his focus is more on she being his daughter than the fact that just because Babita is her mother so he gets her as a package deal in the marriage, which is how outsiders would feel it.

I think it's more like she hasn't thought through that acceptance yet....

All her life, "Papaji" has been a phrase for her for a man she was told is her father....she never experienced what it was to be a daughter to a father......

With Hanuman, for a long time, I think it was about being beyond labels for Mini....she didn't care to give labels to the beautiful relationship she shared with him.....but when he called himself her father, she was touched by it regardless....started calling herself his beti in response.

But the fact remains that she still calls him "Uncle".....so I think it's a case of what she got used to and continued with.....the relationship remained the same even if they started calling it a father-daughter relationship.

She will be compelled to think through it when the time comes....I think it's more about reconciliation than acceptance.....she does consider HS her father but reconciling it inside her mind is what remains.....because she needs to fully work through what a father means to her.....she's not had that all her life.

Originally posted by: naq5

Yes but the details if any are to be shared have to be done with Babita, Mini cannot be burdened more with those. And somewhere Babita needs to understand the trauma HS has gone through. Its a lot different than what Babita has gone through & run a lot deeper. Because death of loved ones specially untimely death takes away a part of yourself & you are never the same again. She will need to understand that not only herself but HS too needs understanding & nurture from her side to heal him.

I understand that HS went through a lot of traumatic family deaths and had a different experience, but let's not forget....even Babita has lost both her parents.....I'm curious to know how she coped with that.

It's not a matter of who's pain runs deeper.....they've both gone through different kinds of traumas.....HS saw his mother go through abuse but Babita was the woman who actually lived through that abuse....he can try to understand a lot of it but at the end of the day, he wasn't the woman to live through it.....so even she's lost parts of herself and can't ever be the same again.

She is in the process of understanding herself and she will deffo get there to give him that understanding too as he has given her through some of the darkest chapters of her life.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

EXACTLY.....everything is serving a larger purpose....so that is why I don't find the epis slow.....because the way they are showing rasmein in this show is very natural and not gimmicky....and alongside the rasmein, they are slowly setting up and resolving issues to evolve Babita to the point where she can be in a stronger, more confident space for stepping up to work through HS ke issues.

I enjoyed all of last week's episodes because they had nice and meaningful scenes sprinkled in almost every episode.....this is so very unheard of for other shows on TV, mere liye toh amrit hai yeh is waqt😆

THIS!!

I usually don't like long-drawn out shaadi tracks but I am amazed by how this show is showing that if a long shaadi track has to be done, then this is how it should be. It's really great how they are tackling some genuine issues throughout this wedding journey. Most of it was Babita's insecurities... be it her wanting some assurance from Hanuman, her being able to confront Lovely or simple things like her worrying about the mehendi and lehenga, and then her wondering whether she is doing a disservice to her daughter. There was such a range of stuff covered here. And then they've pointed out how Mini has been associating her happiness with this wedding and her mother's happiness more than she should be. Plus, we have had the door to HS's childhood issues open up.

And the best part is all these things are being brought up without making the atmosphere completely gloomy or turning it into headache-inducing drama. They've managed to infuse the wedding with warmth and happiness that as a viewer one would want to cheer for these characters, and root for this wedding.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I understand that HS went through a lot of traumatic family deaths and had a different experience, but let's not forget....even Babita has lost both her parents.....I'm curious to know how she coped with that.

It's not a matter of who's pain runs deeper.....they've both gone through different kinds of traumas.....HS saw his mother go through abuse but Babita was the woman who actually lived through that abuse....he can try to understand a lot of it but at the end of the day, he wasn't the woman to live through it.....so even she's lost parts of herself and can't ever be the same again.

She is in the process of understanding herself and she will deffo get there to give him that understanding too as he has given her through some of the darkest chapters of her life.

I dont think Babita lost her parents very early. It must have a few years after minis birth. I havent watched the show since beginning watched it from the mandir chappal chori incident so I was catching up on hanumans entry episode and i came to know how indirectly babitas brother indirectly told her he wont be able to take care of her. i wonder if her parents were alive they would have supported her or forced her to adjust with ashok, considering they married her off early under society pressure.

Babita dint see the type of abuse HS mother had to face, Ashok dint live with her & she was in a bubble thinking she her marriage was working out. facing physical abuse & getting hit on & off is a different issue. With babita it is a lot of abandonment & insecurity issues because of the way people have treated her. Her parents left her to her in laws, & i dont think they ever bothered if she was happy. Brother dint want her to stay with him, Ashok then came back and broke her bubble of marriage & left her for someone else. In laws dint completely support her. Plus the way ashok treated her in the divorce case. That was the reason why Babita was so hurt by hanumans words during the imarti case & the reason why she did not forget that inspite of mini/naimbi telling her HS only said all that to keep her away.

childhood trauma runs a lot deeper & loosing your mother at 8 years because of ur father is different & then HS had to face Imartis tragic death. Its easier to get over the pain caused by the ones who dint care for you but it is more difficult to forget such traumatic death of loved ones & that too when guilt is so involved. Babita can heal & become secure with hanumans love but i dont think it will be easier for hanuman to forget the pain of his mothers & imarti's tragic death. Guilt will always be an issue specially with his mother. I wonder why his Grandfather being a police inspector dint stop the atrocities on HS mother.

HS Vow to never let a lady cry in this house. Him opening up Babita, Babita's happiness and seeing her happy HS's happiness of being able to keep the vow, everything is interconnected.

After Mini returns from hospital, HS told her, he helps them, goes out of his way to do things for them coz it's a "prayaschit" he does for his Mai. When Babita is truly happy in this haveli. Seeing her laughing is when HS's guilt will be lessened for not being able to save his mai. As NB said, teri maa tar jayegi. When that happens, He will open up on his own.

Babes has to rise to the occasion. Which is why writers are addressing her issues. When she comes out of them is when she will bring happiness in all 3 of their lives. Babes ki Khushi is Mini's life mantra. And not letting her cry is HS's prayaschit. Her smile has the capability to heal HS & Mini just like that. Like HS said, yeh uski journey hai. Use tay karne de. HS & Mini's journey is very much interdependent of Babes'. All the more interesting to witness how they all directly - indirectly heal each other while finding some moments, making memories and life just happens.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Thank you.

I'm not able to follow the discussion in the other thread because I watch the episode much later in the evening US time, so I write my impressions whenever I get time. The discussions in that thread move too fast for me to keep up with especially because I avoid spoilers before watching. lol

We mostly chitchat & discuss what happened in the epi. Deep & detailed discussion to yaha hoti hai aapke threads mein. Jhanjhod ke rakh dene wali discussion. 😆

Originally posted by: sheen97

Great analysis

I always believed babita will turn out to be healer. She just have so much love filled inside her. She has huge capacity to absorb the pain. Be it hers or her loved ones.

I don't know why but I can imagine scene where she will place HS head on her goodh, will slowly slowly cajole her hands on his hair and will sing a Lori and he will cry all his pain out and for the first time in so many years will get a peaceful sleep.

When babes sang Lori for mini, boy his tear that escaped showed his pain

Aah.. it was such a perfect scene. Very emotional as well as soothing. Great direction and acting by all 3. It has the capacity to make us all miss our Mums. I shed a tear or two just like HS.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

Aah.. it was such a perfect scene. Very emotional as well as soothing. Great direction and acting by all 3. It has the capacity to make us all miss our Mums. I shed a tear or two just like HS.

What episode no is this?