Humsafar Discussion thread-2 - Page 97

Originally posted by: harshu.sundas

yesterday's first and last scene still haunts me down.. i donno why whenever i wtach this episode, Asher's begging to sara for forgiveness and his monologue at the end to a sleeping khirad, these two sequences i just cannot get over them..

The way Asher holds sara's hand, tears rolling donw his eye, and sara being so helpless, her heart wants to forgive him, his tears isnt easy for her at that moment, but still she refuses, for her she feels betrayed, she feels betrayed more because her own instinct tells her that she had showed Ashe rthe worst of khirad and still he does not think sara capable enough to be his wife, thats like putting a dagger at your own heart and ego. Moreover, when Asher says that " main abhi kisise mohabbat nahi karta sara ", this was his final confession to sara that he is so helpless in khirad's love that now no woman matters to him, its not in him to think about anybody else and more because his hareem is with him. And i just loved how sara replies " kaash tum jhoot boldete Asher k tum mujhse mohabbat kartey ho ", thats more like an assurance that Asher could never lie to sara, she is probably the only person in front of whom he could never fake about his happiness , and thus he knows that sara would be the last person he would go and tell his side of sorry, no matter if he did not do anything, but she deserved this from him, she deserved to know that may be he doesnt love her, but she is very integral to him, just how integral his hareem is.

About the last scene, i think i have written so much, i will just mention that Fawad and Quratul ain baloch take a bow, from my side. Fawad's voice modulation, the way Asher sits down on the chair, the body language, and then him delivering that monologue, ohh i am sure it would haunt Fawad also if he would watch his own scene as an audience. The OST just nailes that whole scene into a different level, and because my fav part of the OST plays in the bg, and thats the moment when the feeling of being unheard and lonely sinks in Asher, him seeing her sleeping peacefully , may be that gav ehim a peaceful mind, he rubs off his tears and walks away..

OH MY ASHER...😭

Originally posted by: aman-ki-asha

very interesting analysis. Truth to tell I and suspect most Indian viewers never thought of Asher marrying them both as a solution. Monogamy is the rule within Indian Muslims and I do not recall even a single Muslim family with such an arrangement. You are right that there is corruption in petty bureaucracy but as per the conduct rules of the govt service, a second marriage is illegal and results in being kicked out of govt. so extra marital relations are there but not many situations with 2 wives.

I follow and appreciate your reasoning. For the educated aspirational class all over the progressive world, monogamy is the norm. Our child rearing practices are almost universal now, dosent matter where you are born. So we bring up our sons and daughters to expect certain good standards of behavior. It also depends very much on the position of women in the society and from what I can see on television (and from my friends who married in Pakistan), women are quite emancipated in their views.

Originally posted by: reviewmovies

Well I was casting a wider sweep in my analysis of "what goes on in Pakistan" - in the sense of covering every strata and class and areas of the country.

There will be people who live in Defence/Clifton who go to the U.S. and say "everyone in Pakistan speaks English" - when what they really mean is everyone in Defence/Clifton speaks English - when Defence/Clifton is just a small area of Karachi (let alone Pakistan).

So you are right - i.e. isolating the analysis to one area of the city - and further isolating to people one meets on personal level - you will get a certain uniformity of behavior. But if you expand it to police station SHOs suddenly then you will see some variety emerge :-) (I mean this as a semi-joke here btw).

I think I was aware of the slightly stricter marriage laws in India - but had forgotten. So then it is fortunate that Humsafar did not go in that direction - else it would have ruined plausibility for Indian audience - and made the plot "alien".

BTW - the plot device of cousin-cousin marriages also I was thinking may stump some people - but then I thought that maybe the hindu viewers will think "ok, this is a muslim family" and let that slide. Since if the characters in the play were hindu it would have simplified the problems considerably - would not have wanted to marry either cousin anyway (since cousin-cousin marriage considered inbreeding - as it is in U.S. and most western countries).

Originally posted by: crazy4fawad

Cousin marriages is not an alien concept in hindus..rather it was practiced much in royal families...and is practised even now...i have seen cousin marriages happening in south of india more...

Also, It is now in present generation ...that ppl r moving away from Cousin-COusin marriages...

In my family...n v r hindus..till my mom's generation..it was completely OK to marry your cousin..one can marry even now..but the present generation doesnt favor this as much...

Also, as a rule..bro-sis children can marry...however sis-sis children cannot marry...this is the custom in our family...i do not know the logic behind this...

Originally posted by: RockChicGirl

As far as I am aware its the gotra concept that is followed among Hindus. That is people of one family belong to one gotra. Once a woman marries her gotra is changed to that of her husband. She and her children assume the gotra of her husband. In some communities cousin marriages are pretty common. I have seen plenty of brother and sister's kids marrying. In some communities marrying mama that is mother's brother is also ok if age difference is not much. Children of two brothers cant marry as they belong to the same gotra. Not heard of sisters kids marrying...even I dunno why.

Originally posted by: reviewmovies

I would now (after having analyzed episode 1-3 and seen them in detail) - suggest that the theories which blamed Baseerat fall by the wayside - i.e. the ones about FK being an obedient son etc. etc. - but rather my take is that Asher (FK) was actually not TOO OFFENDED by the setup - I mean surely he was taken aback. I am not taking his lack of complaining only - but his apparent equanimity after the nikah i.e. he was all relaxed and everything - if it had been under duress he would be pulling his hair out in the bathroom doing soliloquys (i.e. solo dialogue) etc. etc. - yet none of that - the guy was atually NOT TOO UNHAPPY about the marriage (at least up to that point).

Originally posted by: natz

Eh? 😆 Would've been odd to see a grown man bawling - I think he just took a pragmatic view, I've said yes - its happening, am going to the gallows - be stoic about it 🤓