Insecurity [DT NOTE PG 2,8] - Page 12

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Your post scream Nav is a god and don't say anything against him.

Lol you can criticise him without needlessly victimising an entitled abuser Abhimanyu lol

Originally posted by: Deltablues

Lol you can criticise him without needlessly victimising an entitled abuser Abhimanyu lol

Lol you can also defend abhinav by bringing up the flaws in abhimanyu.

This suggestion of yours is what i have been following but you decided to turn blind eye when i do that

Though i have time and again stated that abhimanyu was bad no doubt. But abhinav is stupid too. But you choose to focus on the second part only coz apparently abhinav ka existence is because abhimanyu is oh so bad

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Lol you can't defend abhinav by bringing up the flaws in abhimanyu.

Though i have time and again stated that abhimanyu was bad no doubt. But abhinav is stupid too. But you choose to focus on the second part only coz apparently abhinav ka existence is because abhimanyu is oh so bad

Crying is not a flaw. Double guessing yourself is not flaw. You might find them annoying but Abhinav is dealing with those negative emotions himself without imposing on Akshara. He is not divorcing Akshara because he's sad, angry or whatever. He isn't accusing her of infidelity or restricting her from exercising her free will to have fun with her ex— so much for Akshara not being independent. He just feels that she might be happier without him. Not that she's cheating on him, not that she shouldn't interact with Abhim to satisfy his male ego. Not that she's obligated to love him as wife. Just that she might be happier without him. (And that too because AbhiM and Manjari did not have the basic social courtesy to not intrude upon an ex's current relationships in the name of coparenting.)

When he fails to communicate with her and walks away that'd his fault. He hasn't done that yet.

And all of that would still not nullify the fact that Abhinav is the legal father of Abhir whether AbhiM or Manjari guilt-trip him or not

Originally posted by: Deltablues

Crying is not a flaw. Double guessing yourself is not flaw. You might find them annoying but Abhinav is dealing with those negative emotions himself without imposing on Akshara. He is not divorcing Akshara because he's sad, angry or whatever. He isn't accusing her of infidelity or restricting her from exercising her free will to have fun with her ex— so much for Akshara not being independent. He just feels that she might be happier without him. Not that she's cheating on him, not that she shouldn't interact with Abhim to satisfy his male ego. Not that she's obligated to love him as wife. Just that she might be happier without him. (And that too because AbhiM and Manjari did not have the basic social courtesy to not intrude upon an ex's current relationships in the name of coparenting.)

When he fails to communicate with her and walks away that'd his fault. He hasn't done that yet.

And all of that would still not nullify the fact that Abhinav is the legal father of Abhir whether AbhiM or Manjari guilt-trip him or not

Ohh btw it's you again who has come at me with atleast he is not divorcing Akshara. So maybe follow what you preach first.

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Ohh btw it's you again who has come at me with atleast he is not divorcing Akshara. So maybe follow what you preach first.

What should I follow? Divorce/ not divorce my nonexistent wife? Now you cannot even reference divorce (since the dude is second-guessing his place in his wife's destiny or whatever) without it offending someone. Him walking away without trying to Akshara's wishes would be problematic enough. Lol

Originally posted by: Deltablues

What should I follow? Divorce/ not divorce my nonexistent wife. Now you cannot even reference divorce (since the dude is second-guessing his place in his wife's destiny or whatever) without it offending someone. Lol

Dude do whatever u want to do.

And if you think you are being oh so cool by saying you didn't bring divorce to taunt abhimanyu( as you think i am some abhimanyu fan so to offend me) than you are also in the category of the dude who clearly is always crying over destiny and all even after the wife have claimed tons of times that she wants to be him. She likes this family. She doesn't want to go back to the ex. Hugs him, boost his morale and what not..

Infact she is being a better wife to him than she was to her ex.

Than that dude is yes stupid and annoying and also maybe only be confident after getting physical coz words of affirmation toh he is not getting.

Ohhh who is not understanding eachother feelings: the mature, the great, the achaa, the understanding couple. Who is not mature enough to tell his wife his inner feelings. Yes you guessed it your God son shri shri Nav.

Now please stop this. Coz clearly you can't handle that some of us don't like Nav and it has nothing to do how abhimanyu is. And also for the love of god stop thinking that you are the only mature person in here who understands trauma and abuse and how red flag of a person abhimanyu is.

or if you want continue i don't even care.

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Dude do whatever u want to do.

And if you think you are being oh so cool by saying you didn't bring divorce to taunt abhimanyu( as you think i am some abhimanyu fan so to offend me) than you are also in the category of the dude who clearly is always crying over destiny and all even after the wife have claimed tons of times that she wants to be him. She likes this family. She doesn't want to go back to the ex. Hugs him, boost his morale and what not..

Infact she is being a better wife to him than she was to her ex.

Than that dude is yes stupid and annoying and also maybe only be confident after getting physical coz words of affirmation toh he is not getting.

Ohhh who is not understanding eachother feelings: the mature, the great, the achaa, the understanding couple. Who is not mature enough to tell his wife his inner feelings. Yes you guessed it your God son shri shri Nav.

Now please stop this. Coz clearly you can't handle that some of us don't like Nav and it has nothing to do how abhimanyu is. And also for the love of god stop thinking that you are the only mature person in here who understands trauma and abuse and how red flag of a person abhimanyu is.

or if you want continue i don't even care.

Bruh, honestly, you need to define your issue with Abhinav.

Because first it was he ain't Abhir's legal father (which according to canon and even real world legality he is) because your cousin's life contradicts this very fictional show.

Then after an entire day, it has been reduced to how the dude has a negative feeling from time to time in an abnornal situation, and how— allegedly, without any signs and even indication in the show— that negative feeling will only get away by "getting physical"

And then accusing me of trying to be "oh-so-cool' in an internet conversation

Everyone has negative feelings. What matters is how one acts upon it. Lol.

Peace.

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Aese agar ek ek point pakad na hai toh Akshara also could have just said no abhimanyu i don't love you instead she went with him to his house and said i love you can't live without you and more.

Than continued k yahi sunna tha na nahi krti.

Abhimanyu ko bhi shyd bura lga tha. Ya maybe usko nahi lgta bura koi nahi.

So that means ki audience itne dino se galat ko accept kar ke baithi hai. Abhimanyu was wrong when he blackmail AK, AK was wrong when she was not ready to accept his love, again abhi was inhuman when he ditched Arohi in mandap, & the goes on... toh kya audience sirf aur sirf chemistry k liye iss bekar ki story or characters ko support kar rahi hai. And still defend their favourite.

Yar amazing chemistry ki love story maine bhi dekhi hai but Aisa kabhi koi story nahi mila jisme itne bair ho aur audience fir bhi pagal.

Are their chemistry better than Arnav - Khushi, Asad - Zoya, Ram - Priya, Jivika - Viren. Agar chemistry hi dekhni hai to badhiya story wali dekho. Why people are going so crazy for logic or illogical part that too for ITV. Ram Katha thode na hai jo har chiz accurate hi dikhayenge.

Aur rahi baat Abhimanyu k father hone ki toh no one denying that. He is absolutely Abhir father. Iss bat ko na hi AK, AN aur na hi AkshNav k fans deny kar rahe hai. Yes he deserve to be part in abhir life. I said he deserve to being the part of Abhir life as docman, father or whatever. But not HAQ. Haq to sirf AK ka hi hai. Wo bhi 18 age tak. That person is crazy for the haq which is really annoying. Agar pyar se rahega to sub milega. Court ki toh jarurat hi nahi hai. Logically toh usko iss baat ka malaal hona chahiye tha ki usne AK ko aise time main Jane Diya aur sub se pahle sorry bolna chahiye. Haq k bajaye koshish karni chahiye thi. And in kasauli he is literally doing it. So no problem. But sorry toh nahi bola na. Aur ek baat aur that are opposite fans who r using kiraye ka baap for Abhinav. To Abhimanyu k biological father ho Jane se Abhinav abhir ka father nahi hai ye nahi deny nahi kar sakte. If Manyu is biological father then Abhinav is also foster father. And foster father is not less than real father who care that child. Abhinav ko Abhir ki life se utha kar bahar nahi fenk sakte.

That's the point! Thank you.

Don’t have the time or energy to read every post here but I can definitely say that there’s hardly any room for people who can point both the male leads’ flaws. Almost every debate ends in a similar style- Abhinav’s flaws are justified because of the mistakes made by Abhimanyu! Many claim they want a justice for Akshara but all they really wish to see is a twisted tale of vengeance. And because Akshara has suffered, all her decisions should be respected and accepted no matter how illogical or unreasonable they are.

We are tired of these nonsensical comparisons between the two male leads - its unfair to judge either character according to the other’s actions. And thats one of the main issues with the current track - everything Abhinav does is good because he is the one doing it, when Abhimanyu does a good deed - there’s a hidden agenda or he’s disturbing their marital life. People keep justifying Abhinav’s action using Abhimanyu’s mistakes as a reference that oh he is better than the guy whi divorced and so on... If Abhimanyu’s responsible for his failed marriage after all that he went through then Abhinav himself is responsible for the issues in his married life. Him being overly selfless and naive is a flaw - anything in extreme is harmful - excessive neediness or selflessness is also an issue just like extreme anger. Comparing these flaws and saying which one is better to have is immature and childish. How harmful such excessive emotions can be - can only be determined when a situation arises to test it. Abhimanyu’s anger was tested on white day and he failed. Similarly Abhinav’s selflessness and neediness are definitely slowly creating trouble in the so called perfect family. Why should Abhimanyu refuse the chance to stay and bond with his son just because Akshara wants to move on- its not his battle to fight? Abhimanyu tried to help Abhinav financially for the wedding with the hotel bookings - Akshara understood but she was ready to take help from him without informing Abhinav - she could have easily refused and done things as per their budget - but she wishes to have best of both worlds. Why should Abhimanyu feel responsible for Akshara keeping things from her husband? He never asked her to do it. Whatever issues are being shown between Abhinav - Akshara are of their own doing. No third person or ex can come between a couple who truly understand and trust each other completely.

Love this, and I have been trying to say the same thing. Everything is compared, and it's not just here, its compared within the show as well except we as viewers know that situations, circumstances, and the people were different.

Nav always talks about his love not being great(i.e. like Abhi's love) and him being a simple man, not a hero (i.e. like Abhi is). Ak comparing Abhi and Nav has been obvious from the start and really just unfair to Abhi. As if Abhi wouldn't have done the same things in the same kind of situation. We don't know Nav super well, but we do know Abhi, and the issue is that.

In my opinion, if Abhi came across a pregnant woman who was as disoriented as Ak was, he would have helped her without expecting anything in return. He is literally a doctor. He would have gotten her all the medical and emotional help she needed. If he ended up falling in love with her, he would have told her instead of hiding it. He would have asked her where she stood, and if she still loved her ex, he would have stayed without any expectations simply because he loved her. His attitude would not have changed because his love has nothing to do with that. When this is compared to the pre-confession, it doesn't even make sense. Ak made it very obvious that she did love Abhi back then and gave a lot of mixed signals. Yes, at this point in the narrative, if Abhi were in Nav's position, he would have questioned Ak, maybe even screamed and been angry. How they handle situations is different.

But that is a matter of preference from the beginning. Nav handles things in a different way than Abhi. Abhi is direct and often gives into his emotions and ends up hurting people's feelings, and Nav hides and tries to deal with things himself, and it usually comes out in tension and emotional withdrawal.