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Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by joypaul


Originally posted by punjini


You can call it an irony or a joke - the fact remains that you can't always have structured debates. Sometimes debates just happen. They are sparked by some news or development. I don't agree that people don't have anything good to say. There are all kinds of people. We even have people drooling over Shekhar or Aditya for reasons best known to them.
 

I did not say that people do not have anything good tosay, I said that they have very less to say in praise of good work  - I think there is a difference between these two.

Also about people saying good things about Shekar or Aditya, it is not for their good work but for other reasons as you know yourself.

Anyways, it is my point of view and what I've noticed in the forum, tha's all.

disagree. if we take ID as an example, hasnt he gotten more than his fair share of praises, that too for good work on just a couple of movies he scored ages ago? should we keep handing him bouquets for kisna kisna while he is off spouting the latest uncouth verbiage that comes out from his mouth?LOL we should continue praising that behavior?LOL

Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by Maya_M


That is another sad plight of music industry where none of these people even get royalty when their music/song is played. Another thing ID always says, had he been still a violinist, no body would have known him.

right. Tongueand had all those company founders stayed as programmers, they wouldn't have made their billions. so unfair that they dont hand them billions for programming, no? so unfair that they actually have to go out and create something much bigger than themselves, no?TongueLOL

Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by Jaadoogar


It is useless to discuss, on one hand there is ID who does not have control over what he says... on other hand is Manohar ji, who also does not have control over what he says... Both combinedly show past and present state of hindi cinema music industry.... There is no legends, if we say a legend based on number of hits then HR is the only true legend... Who gave 36 hits in a year, none in the history of Indian music could do whether it was Naushaad ji or Pancham da or anybody else.... Big smile

i think they might have loosened the definition of "hit" these days. 36 hits in a year? by definition, he can still just have only one song that is the biggest hit, right? else, they must be looking at sales volumes. and that should have expanded anyway given that more people buy music today. increased population, more disposable income, more entertainment culture etc.

Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by joypaul


Originally posted by chatbuster


Sure. like the vada pau comment for his own gharana member. for the lousy things he occasionally told his own "student" twinkle. for supporting mauli while his own contestants were getting eliminated. sure sure, good mentorLOL

Yes he made the vada pau comment for his own student, but he was so upset with his singing, because he must have put great efforts in him and that guy just messed it up. 

next time someone does not do too well on an exam, i suppose his parents should spank him too. i mean they too would get upset, no? and getting upset justifies saying anything, no?Tongue

As you yourself said, he speaks without tact, I would call it straight.  Criticising is also a very important aspect of training, in my perspective.

place and time for that. vada pau and "bold and beautiful" kinda comments dont cut it in today's worldWink

I do not remember that he ever made any lousy statement against Twinkle.  All he said to her was to concentrate on singing rather than other things.

just because someone bothers to dress up makes him think she's not working on her singing? what does he think singing is? someone who has been singing all their lives should still be cramming up the week before? didnt hemu and others also spend time sporting a new look? given the quality and style of his comments, i'd rather he kept it to singing, of course if one thinks he is qualified toWink

Please get your facts right before stating. 

got them. very straightTongue

It was Himesh's students who were ousted in favour of Mauli and not Id's.  ID fought for his student when he felt she was wrongly eliminated.

he's been seen speaking up for members from other gharanas as well. he was off like a rocket to see molly on stageLOL

Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by N Sinha


He went on to reveal that he knew ID's father Husain,who was never a Saxophone player!!He was a clarinet player,at least at the recordings. It is rather shameful how ID can boast about his father publicly at the cost of Manoharida?

Here by he - Sinhaji means Manohari Singh. So according to Sinhaji's post and Manohari Singh's statements , Husein Saab was NEVER a saxophone player at least at the recordings.

Originally posted by Maya_M


Seems like Manohari Singh also said something which is untrue. All the articles on the net clearly mentions Husain Darbar as accomplished Clarinet and Saxophone player. One such article is

http://manoranjanonline.com/featuredArtists/IsmailDarbar/Ism ailDarbar.htm

"Ismail Darbar was born during March, 1976 in Gujarat, India. He was the product of a family that boasted four generations talented musicians. Darbar, the son of accomplished clarinet and saxophone player Husain, began his training with his father by learning to play the violin. His musical aptitude, however, brought him to his next teachers - Pandit Ramprasad Sharma (father of composer Pyarelal) and Ganesh (Pyarelal's brother). With such an immense amount of training, it was only a matter of time before Ismail Darbar stepped into his destiny to become one of the most talented musical directors."

From Maya's posts above and also after referring to articles in the internet I also agree with her, that those mention Husein Saab as an accomplished saxophone and clarinet player.

So is Manohari  Singh telling the whole truth ? How do we know that?

There is a good possibility that Ismail Darbar Saab is also not telling a lie. It is quite possible that Husein Saab had recorded it but it was never included in the final song. So when we see the credits or read articles, we see Manohari Singh ji name there and not Husein Saab's.This possibility is quite likely, is it not?

Now why that peice was substituted in the final song, who can tell us. The music director, or that film director or the producer of that film. We do not know the whole story yet.

Just recently didn't we just see an article here, where Amitabh Bachchan wanted a song recorded in someone else's voice, therefore it was done and the original singer who had sang was livid to see his songs misisng and recorded in someone else's voice and also his name missing from the credits.Can't remember which article was that, but it was surely posted here at IF SRGMP.

Isn't song rerecording the cause for tiff between Adesh and Alka too? these days they all get so much of media coverage and can vent out, thereby keeping an alibi..On those days,there was no coverrage and who would listen to a Hussein ? Aren't we aware of the clout of the celebrities of those days . remember how the respected  Mangeshkar sisters had  not allowed competition to set foot into their area? we have read those articles right here.May be such a scene existed, and no one would hear a Hussaein dukh bhari kahani if at all tehre was one lest they offend some "big shot"- who really knows...these are all conjectures.

Many a thing happen behind closed doors or has happened in the past especially in the entertainment field..May be the MD had a reason for changing it, may be the hero/heroine wanted it changed, may be the piece did not come out properly or meet the requiement, may be someone with clout wanted it that way..there are so many may be..who knows the exact reason?

ID has said that he became a MD to take badla for the injustice meted out to his dad. May be this exchange of pieces is one such thing that he calls injustice. Instead of clarifying with him , as to what exactly he meant when he said that his dad played it when all evidence points the player to be Manohari Singh - should we call him a blatant liar? is that fair?

As Mark Twain said...."get all your facts first and you can distort them later"...

 

Edited by advil - 14 years ago
Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by chatbuster


But the comments made by Manohar, where he says that ID's father was not a saxophone player, are false, because someone posted a source showing that he was a saxophone player as well as a clarinet player.

do we know the context in which he said that? it could well mean that ID's father didnt play the sax on that one song unlike what ID claimedWink

It seems you missed out on this valid point in Sinhaji's post....let me bring it over for you....

Originally posted by N Sinha


He went on to reveal that he knew ID's father Husain,who was never a Saxophone player!!He was a clarinet player,at least at the recordings.

 

Edited by advil - 14 years ago
Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by chatbuster


Originally posted by shadyhtown


Want me to expose one of your contradictory positions?

sure. like how i expose yours all the time?LOL

Well, it's funny how you say you detest people who throw tantrums and pass cheap comments, but you have no problem with Abhijeet's comments.

that happened off-line. sure i have a problem with that too but in the scheme of things ID's comments have often been very crass, his behavior uncouth. and all of it on-air. give this guy a platform to spout off and he 'abuses' the opportunity.Wink not what one wants to impress upon kids. hope this expands on your understandingWink

In fact, in this very thread,  you quote and applaud a member's post (agreeing to every point, mind you) which says walking out is worse than using abusive comments. 

I suppose ID should have stayed there and abused Khayyam saab rather than walk out on him. Just so long as he abused him without throwing a tantrum. Kyon? Wink

lol. so we are into the fine parsing now, bill clinton style. he inhaled but didnt smoke. he didnt have s**ual relations with that woman. good stuff. LOL bud, try to look at the forest and hopefully you'll get somewhere.Wink

in this context, the member did say other things as well, such as abhijeet's words should have been more measured. missed all of that conveniently?Wink

in any case, by abusive, i am interpreting it to be the kind of language directed at bappida by abhijeet off-air. sorry if my mind cant get down to the kind of gutter-talk you might be envisioning here. in that context, sure abhijit's comments were less egregious than ID's constant bad behaviorWink Gotta learn to make differentiations budWink

better luck next time trying to pin stuff on meLOL

Now don't try to squeeze out of what you've said. That statement wasn't talking about ID's 'constant bad behavior'. It clearly stated that using abusive language is preferable to walking out. It didn't say using abusive comments is preferable to constant bad behavior. And you've strongly noted that you've agreed to each and every point, so I'm assuming you agree to this as well. Tongue

And yes, by abusive we're still talking about Abhijeet's comments to Bappi da. They way he insulted him, made fun of him, etc. By agreeing to that you agree that ID should have done all that to Khayyam saab too, rather than quietly walk away. Is that correct? Or is just another of your contradictory positions based on who is making those comments - Abhijeet or Ismail. Wink

The writer os that statement has also accepted that they made that statement incorrectly and have edited it out. I understand, kabhi kabhi galat baat nikal jaati hai. Aap bhi galati maan hi lo. Wink

I cannot pin stuff down on you, because you always manage to squeeze out somehow - baaton ka jadoo istemaal kar ke. Lekin nishaan to reh jaate hain na. Wink

P.S. Kindly point out any contradictory position of mine. Because as far as I know, I've always been very consistent in my positions. Kabhi to apni baat to evidence se back up kiya karo yaar. Sirf bol ke nikal jaate ho. Smile

Posted: 14 years ago
Originally posted by advil


Originally posted by chatbuster


But the comments made by Manohar, where he says that ID's father was not a saxophone player, are false, because someone posted a source showing that he was a saxophone player as well as a clarinet player.

do we know the context in which he said that? it could well mean that ID's father didnt play the sax on that one song unlike what ID claimedWink

It seems you missed out on this valid point in Sinhaji's post....let me bring it over for you....

Originally posted by N Sinha


He went on to reveal that he knew ID's father Husain,who was never a Saxophone player!!He was a clarinet player,at least at the recordings.

 

a lot of musicians i know can play more than one instrument, especially when it's part of the same family. cant be bothered what husain played at home or elsewhere. point for me is did he play the sax on those recordings. sinhaji's statement can be interpreted either way. so nope. i didnt miss the point.Smile

as for husain's version being left out, whose prerogative is that? maybe his version sucked? was he going to take the fall if the song flopped? in any case, if it was so easy for someone else to do another version, then how hard must it be? why beat all the tom-tom and play the trumpet then?LOL

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