[MT] ARE YOU HAPPY WITH MODI's WIN ...AGAIN ? - Page 7

Originally posted by: CuckooCutter7

so next time you get on a flight, will you be using the pilot from your favored caste? Or the surgeon who could not pass the medical entrance exam but has the right caste certificate? Or the OBC engineer constructing the building you live in who never learned a thing? How if people who espouse such ideas live the talk instead of having tax payers fund cuckoo schemes or hire people with no merit?

let's further elaborate and use the example of west bengal. They talk fancy stuff about equality and pro-human policies. But then after they bankrupt the state, they ask for money from the centre, from other tax payers. I think they should be free to fund their own hare-brained ideas, not extract money from other tax payers.

Anyway, if some of you like reservations and quotas, how if you fund them yourself? Or better still, make way for them in your organization. Get fired so they can be hired? Is it possible to live the talk?

Do you think reservation is like lottery? It is just people randomly getting chosen for random positions? They still have to give exams/ go to college and get the degree. Should we not try to remove casteism rather than try to remove reservation based on caste?

Why only take West Bengal as an example, every state needs funds from central govt because it is people's tax money. Do you think the fund should be allotted to states that have BJP govt? I am honestly trying to understand your point but I am unable to understand it.

I am okay with paying tax if that is to help poor people. I am okay with reservations. If I ever earn as much as top 1% wealth holders, I am okay with being taxed more and my wealth being redistributed to poor. What do you mean by live the talk? Do you think people who are pro-reservation are not getting taxed or are getting reservation without being from marginalised community? Aren't we already following it?

"With the amount of hatred they have spread in India..."

"None of the parties have villainised minorities openly as BJP has done it."

"There are several instances of them taking rights away from minorities."

Not sure if you are familiar with data sufficiency questions on standardized/competitive exams where they ask a question followed usually by two statements and the test takers are supposed to use only the information given in the question and avoid making any assumptions?

Answers usually have the following format:

I) Statement 1 alone is sufficient

II) Statement 2 alone is sufficient

III) Both statement 1 and statement 2 together are sufficient

IV) Both statement 1 and statement 2 even together are not sufficient

The quoted text are serious accusations; I am afraid I don't have sufficient data to agree with any of your statements.

Originally posted by: CuckooCutter7

if you dont know the Nazis were left-wing socialists, then please do some basic reading. Internet is full of material on the topic. Seriously!

problem with your position is you claim to be left-leaning but what you are espousing is extreme left scary. Those policies lead to low growth... and hurt exactly the poor they purport to help. Look at all the countries that have followed these commie/ left-wing socialist policies during their development stage. They never manage to develop! On the other side are countless examples of countries and states that have developed fast following right-wing free-market economic policies.

I have given you their ideologies, how are they left leaning? They are nothing similar to what left leaning people want. One race is superior ideology goes against the entire construct of socialism. I have no shame in learning new things. I went ahead and looked for some sources and I cannot find any credible source saying Hitler was left leaning. Could you provide me some source for this?

Here is one source I checked : https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/


All I said was I am pro human and pro taxing the wealthy people more. How is this not letting the country grow? There are several left leaning countries in Europe. They are still part of EU too. The regulations are generally to protect labour rights/ avoid bigger companies taking away business from small businesses.

Originally posted by: kchaims

Do you think reservation is like lottery? It is just people randomly getting chosen for random positions? They still have to give exams/ go to college and get the degree. Should we not try to remove casteism rather than try to remove reservation based on caste?

Why only take West Bengal as an example, every state needs funds from central govt because it is people's tax money. Do you think the fund should be allotted to states that have BJP govt? I am honestly trying to understand your point but I am unable to understand it.

I am okay with paying tax if that is to help poor people. I am okay with reservations. If I ever earn as much as top 1% wealth holders, I am okay with being taxed more and my wealth being redistributed to poor. What do you mean by live the talk? Do you think people who are pro-reservation are not getting taxed or are getting reservation without being from marginalised community? Aren't we already following it?

once again, here is the point- reservations take jobs, seats etc away from more meritorious people and give it to lesser candidates. That guy on reservation gets into a top medical college in India with below-average passing marks. How is that fair to someone who has worked hard and excelled but who loses the seat to the less deserving reservation candidate?

now, do you get doctors to treat you based on your reservation quota or for their skill? How about the pilot who flies you? Or the soldier who defends your country? Or the construction engineer who designs and builds your home?

idea should be to build more schools so anyone who wants an education can get in. But dont screw deserving people to fit your commie notions. It's a recipe for economic disaster when the workers are less meritorious. But the catch here is you wont ever have money for those schools following low-growth lousy policies that the left espouses.

as for taxes and west bengal, again, the question is how much they pay. And however willing you think you would be to pay taxes if you were rich, it is not fair to expect others to pay a lot to fund cuckoo schemes.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

"With the amount of hatred they have spread in India..."

"None of the parties have villainised minorities openly as BJP has done it."

"There are several instances of them taking rights away from minorities."

Not sure if you are familiar with data sufficiency questions on standardized/competitive exams where they ask a question followed usually by two statements and the test takers are supposed to use only the information given in the question and avoid making any assumptions?

Answers usually have the following format:

I) Statement 1 alone is sufficient

II) Statement 2 alone is sufficient

III) Both statement 1 and statement 2 together are sufficient

IV) Both statement 1 and statement 2 even together are not sufficient

The quoted text are serious accusations; I am afraid I don't have sufficient data to agree with any of your statements.

Unlike data sufficiency questions, you can easily find data on these concerns I have mentioned about BJP. All the three statements can be factually checked but you do not need to agree with me.

Originally posted by: CuckooCutter7

once again, here is the point- reservations take jobs, seats etc away from more meritorious people and give it to lesser candidates. That guy on reservation gets into a top medical college in India with below-average passing marks. How is that fair to someone who has worked hard and excelled but who loses the seat to the less deserving reservation candidate?

now, do you get doctors to treat you based on your reservation quota or for their skill? How about the pilot who flies you? Or the soldier who defends your country? Or the construction engineer who designs and builds your home?

idea should be to build more schools so anyone who wants an education can get in. But dont screw deserving people to fit your commie notions. It's a recipe for economic disaster when the workers are less meritorious. But the catch here is you wont ever have money for those schools following low-growth lousy policies that the left espouses.

as for taxes and west bengal, again, the question is how much they pay. And however willing you think you would be to pay taxes if you were rich, it is not fair to expect others to pay a lot to fund cuckoo schemes.

They are not below average marks, they are passing the test. The marks cut off for general category is higher because we do not have enough colleges or educational institutes or job opportunities. Marginalised communities have reservation because they do not have generational wealth/ privileges.

No one is asking govt to not hire deserving candidates. Imagine we have 10 seats in 5 colleges. All 5 are good colleges. 2 are reserved for marginalised communities. So if we have 10 students who pass the exam, everyone who passed will still get seat and have good education too. Now imagine you have 20 students, 15 passed the exam, only 10 are getting seats. Does this not mean we need more good quality educational institutes? How are we concluding that reservation which actually uplifts a community is bad? Especially when casteism is still followed in the society.

@bold why would the central govt collect tax from state just to pay them back the exact amount? If that was true several states which have BJP rules govt will get way less funding.

Originally posted by: kchaims

Do you think reservation is like lottery? It is just people randomly getting chosen for random positions? They still have to give exams/ go to college and get the degree. Should we not try to remove casteism rather than try to remove reservation based on caste?

Why only take West Bengal as an example, every state needs funds from central govt because it is people's tax money. Do you think the fund should be allotted to states that have BJP govt? I am honestly trying to understand your point but I am unable to understand it.

I am okay with paying tax if that is to help poor people. I am okay with reservations. If I ever earn as much as top 1% wealth holders, I am okay with being taxed more and my wealth being redistributed to poor. What do you mean by live the talk? Do you think people who are pro-reservation are not getting taxed or are getting reservation without being from marginalised community? Aren't we already following it?

till there is reservation casteism isn’t going away. people who benefit from keeping this issue alive will lose that benefit with reservations gone. As simple as that.
I have never been asked my caste in any temple, any school or any organisation. It comes into context only when quota comes into picture.

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

till there is reservation casteism isn’t going away. people who benefit from keeping this issue alive will lose that benefit with reservations gone. As simple as that.
I have never been asked my caste in any temple, any school or any organisation. It comes into context only when quota comes into picture.

Tell me you're UC without saying that you're UC

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

till there is reservation casteism isn’t going away. people who benefit from keeping this issue alive will lose that benefit with reservations gone. As simple as that.
I have never been asked my caste in any temple, any school or any organisation. It comes into context only when quota comes into picture.

So according to you casteism is a product of reservation? People who benefit out of casteism are lower caste people? Being upper caste provides people more opportunities to employment and education (due to ancestors working in good position) along other privileges.

You were never asked your caste which is great for you but does your experience invalidate the experience of vast majority lower caste people? A simple search of "Dalit" keyword in google news states otherwise.

Originally posted by: kchaims

So according to you casteism is a product of reservation? People who benefit out of casteism are lower caste people? Being upper caste provides people more opportunities to employment and education (due to ancestors working in good position) along other privileges.

You were never asked your caste which is great for you but does your experience invalidate the experience of vast majority lower caste people? A simple search of "Dalit" keyword in google news states otherwise.

Casteism existed. And reservations were introduced to uplift the underprivileged. So arent they uplifted even now after 3-4 generations who received the benefit? Even Ambedkar stated to abolish it after 10 years.