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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Diandraa

Proof is everywhere, you need to open up your eyes and mind for it. I have been to Kashmir and kaahmiris openly used to claim they are pakistanis not Indians.

According to this article as you can see for yourself.

"Kashmiri dissidents launched a full-blown armed revolt in 1989, seeking unification with Pakistan or complete independence. Tens of thousands of civilians, rebels and government forces were killed in the raging conflict."

https://apnews.com/article/kashmir-india-omar-abdullah-special-status-831bce5bf968e8d8303131cf4d53193d


Now if you still want to keep on believing kashmiris are happy with India, it would be delusional.



B - after your first post I actually genuinely searched for this, Kashmiri Muslims opinion, kashmiri opinion, after partition unofficial polls, I didn't saw the proof anywhere tbh 🤷



And the article ---🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦


If you think that people are delusional because they listen to a politician why would you attach an article of a NCP politician to prove your point 🙄🙄🙄🙄


But sure we're delusional 🤦


Regarding your point Kashmir descendants launched Full blown arm revolt



In 1989, an armed insurgency erupted against Indian rule in Indian-administered Kashmir Valley, based on demands for self-determination after years of political disenfranchisement and alienation, with logistical support from Pakistan.



Seems like they didn't wanted special status after all

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: RamAayeHain



B - after your first post I actually genuinely searched for this, Kashmiri Muslims opinion, kashmiri opinion, after partition unofficial polls, I didn't saw the proof anywhere tbh 🤷



And the article ---🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦


If you think that people are delusional because they listen to a politician why would you attach an article of a NCP politician to prove your point 🙄🙄🙄🙄


But sure we're delusional 🤦


Regarding your point Kashmir descendants launched Full blown arm revolt



In 1989, an armed insurgency erupted against Indian rule in Indian-administered Kashmir Valley, based on demands for self-determination after years of political disenfranchisement and alienation, with logistical support from Pakistan.



Seems like they didn't wanted special status after all

At this point you are just fooling yourself now. Why only poll, why not India hold a referendum and let the ppl of Kashmir decide what side they want to be on? Hai himmat to let Kashmir go? Let's be honest, India doesn't care abt Muslim kashmiris, they only want occupation.

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Posted: 4 months ago

Originally posted by: Diandraa

At this point you are just fooling yourself now. Why only poll, why not India hold a referendum and let the ppl of Kashmir decide what side they want to be on? Hai himmat to let Kashmir go? Let's be honest, India doesn't care abt Muslim kashmiris, they only want occupation.


Alright I am done 👍

You believe whatever you want to believe , you're not presenting proof at all and just calling me blind and fool now

Is baar election hue kashmir mei and highest turnout Kashmiris ka hi tha, still if you believe that they do not want to be the part of Indian democracy then live in that delusion

I am not even saying Indian politician wants kashmir so they can take care of kashmiri people, of course they want it for geopolitical reasons but how many Kashmiris wanted to be part of Pakistan? Tell me the numbers, tell me the reasons show me the proofs but nahi you wanna call me blind, go ahead 👍👍 and if at all you think Pakistan care about people of Kashmir then please oh please open your eyes, Pakistan also want occupation only otherwise they would've just left it and not have sacrificed so many Kashmiris life for the sake of occupation 🙄

Our hinglaaj bhawani temple is in Pakistan, Mount kailash is in china, Pashupatinath in nepal but what are We doing? Attacking for occupying?????

Kashmiris are getting a better deal here and even they know it so if you want to sing praises of Pakistan pls continue but don't expect me to join 🙄

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Posted: 4 months ago

Although I know that I (a German white woman living 6000 km away from India) am dismissingly looked down by a lot of those who write in this thread. I still comment again. Why?

Well, what Max wrote in the post on page 120 and Diandra on page 122 incites me to do so (even though probably none will read this).

The history of my own country like the history of the world throughout the ages has me told a lot about human nature and politics.

It was quite easy for the German leader (whose name is well known) to manipulate about 50 million people by following old dictators rules:

1)controlling the information tools through which one has to give out the informations one wants

2) using a prominent part of the population (preferably prosperous) to give them an enemy image through condemning their status/behaviour/religious concept/skin colour (etc.) which would serve as tool to vent personal frustrations

3) giving distraction to the people you want to influence (if possible by propagating the wished thinking through the distraction)

4) doing some prestige objects so that your followers would have something to praise

5) leading the coming generations into the whished thinking through education

6) adjusting the laws to the goals one has

7) trying to break any opposition/criticism by ridiculing, slandering/arresting/killing (in short labelling it as enemy tactics)

8) making sure that so-called free will won't be realy free anymore (especially in voting processes in the name of 'for - against')

9) instilling fear...and more fear...with the help of yes-sayers and likewise power-hungry persons and the tools you have at hand

10) giving the people a sens of belonging to a greater entity, "we" and "our" country/religion/race/social status/profession etc. which one can use gainst any enemy/enemy image (one has created or that really exists)

These ten roules also exist - in parts - in the smallest kind of community, a family.


Sometimes looking at things from the distance gives a good overview, but it also is important to have knowledge about what happens in the area...as for India, I've both: inside information (socalled 'root-knowledge') and distance.

If I was a teacher-kind of person, I would say:

1) Be aware of a charismatic leader with vested egoistic goals (which are against humanity) because, actually, with great power comes great responsability towards the less powerful.

2) Ask the right questions (and look for unbiased, factual answers).

3) Listen to what others have to say (but don't believe everything at face-value, try to verify, consider other opinions).

4) Examine your own reasons & feelings without lying to yourself or looking for excuses, keep honest to what you inherently knows about right & wrong, good & bad (here: especially inform yourself about the original nature of some religious concepts - especially misused terms like the afore mentioned Jihad).

5) Admit that each kind of violence - from whoever - isn't a good thing (and shouldn't be propagated)...look for other possibilities.

6) A neighbour isn't an enemy except one makes him one (for whatever reasons).

7) Try to be true and understanding in your dialogues with whomever (from small children to aged persons).


Thanks to Max and Diandra who brought some valuable thoughts. And please inform yourself, why the Indian government wants Kashmir so much...and also please take a close look at the people who are part of this government and their (real) goals...(shady and even known criminal people won't never do things for others if it doesn't suit their own benefit).

Have a nice Sunday smiley1

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Posted: 4 months ago

For those with patience and interest: ways to change things between India and Pakistan to the better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0onu-83eWM

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Posted: 4 months ago

https://x.com/_anujsinghal/status/1801958465461735656?s=46 Even CBN said the same thing about Jagan too that coffers are empty! Teach them how to fish than hand over the fish to them.

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