Request to delete account - Page 6

Originally posted by: guenhwyvar

INDIA FORUMS DEFINED

IndiaForums is primarily an entertainment website. I don't even need to prove it - the tagline speaks for itself: "movie tv digital". The website setup confirms it. The multiple forums and subforums speak to that only. The primary purpose of India Forums is to discuss entertainment-related topics with a sideline for India-specific topics like the current election or cricket (because we have a lot of cricket fans).

INDIA FORUMS CODE OF CONDUCT

I'd like to briefly remind you of the Code of Conduct you set Vijay - which is held as the standard for all posts/comments in IndiaForums and to some degree, what the moderation team should be striving for when moderating.

Your paragraph outlines your intention with the rules: "We respect your freedom of speech and expression however we need to ensure that everyone respects the others and are able to post maturely. We have rules so that the different sections can run efficiently and fights are circumvented."

Let's pause here and lets take a look at this post in question and lets ponder for a second if it fits your intentions:

'Hi everyone. Please post your stories about where the real genocides are taking place in the world here. Ofc it’s not happening in Gaza." ~@KJasoosChulbulP

Short answer: It doesn't. Intentionally using vocabulary like "real genocides" or "ofc it's not happening in Gaza" directly go against the intended behavior of IndiaForums with regard to respect, maturity, and avoiding fights. A similar post speaking about genocides in general, but not purposefully speaking against or omitting a known genocide, would be reasonable under the circumstances of the wider IF policies where political and religious discussions are allowed. However, because of the controversial nature of such topics, I don't think it would be allowed to be a GA because that's not the purpose of the website. This is not what KJasoosChulbulP's post was about and the intent of that post was not so obscured as to confuse a reasonable person.

That's solidified by KJasoosChulbulP ending with:

Mods - please make this a GA topic. As the recent news are really focused on this and IF should support the truth of the actual genoicides and the active calls for genocide in the world, especially to dismiss the propoganda by Hamas terrorists supporters 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Why does one user get to dictate what "the truth of the actual genocide and the active calls for genocide in the world" is and force it upon the rest of us by having it shown on the Global Announcements? Why is this one user and a moderator representing what "IF should support"? Why does the mod team act in concurrence with this instead of enforcing the rules you set regarding respect? You have a set guideline for Global Announcements, do you not?

Which statement here goes towards the fact that any member of the forum can request VIA IN-POST message and get approved a blatantly disrespectful, hateful instigation of a serious global event? None. Absolutely none.

Further, you wrap up that post with this statement:

BASIC GUIDELINES FOR POSTING

When posting please remember to respect and tolerate different thoughts and do not turn any post against your opinion into a unnecessary flame-wars. Try to be composed and collective when posting as this will stop feeding the instigators.There is going to be a Zero tolerance policy for those who just come to the forum to disrupt the activities and discussions .

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BE THOUGHTFUL-> RESPECT EVERYONE -> DISCUSS CALMLY -> HAVE LOADS OF FUN

Do I need to spell it out that KJasoos's post was exactly that - a post intended to create an unnecessary flamewar, with instigation based on wording, that intended to disrespect a certain group of people within IndiaForums. I could very well make arguments as to how "Attacks Against Fellow Members'" was the intent behind the post, but I'm going to brush that aside because the larger focus should be on how useless and worthless the current mod team is.

You write:

Moral Policing: Moral policing by members in any forum will NOT be tolerated. It only leads to unnecessary instigation/arguments. The section Dev Team Members will do the needful when a situation arises. Members are to simply abide by the rules and not preach others. If you should come across an abusive topic please contact the development team, rather than taking matters in your own hands

Oh wait. A moderator was responsible for not doing the needful when a situation arose. Mods were alerted and their response was a blatant whoosh. Let's be real. Keeping that post STILL - even if locked - is such an underhanded BS move Vijay that goes to show the silent support you and your team have towards that kind of disrespectful post. The BS argument that "it's talking about genocide regardless" doesn't stand either. The point is it highlights a controversial point of view that defines an individualized, bigoted opinion on genocide out of HIndu-Muslim conflict (the first tweet posted highlights Hindu victims).

Discussing the Dev Team: ... We realize that it's because you are not sure how things are handled or upset at the way things are handle. You may disagree with the way the issue was taken care and that's fair. ... We do want to hear your complaint but we also want to be fair to the people in question. All sides need to be heard objectively and bringing this in the forum just adds more fuel to the fire. If you have a complaint PM the DT person and if you are not satisfied follow the hierarchy and PM the next in command. When you are contacting us with your concern be civil and explain your point in detail so we completely understand your standpoint.

And there you have it -

* Explain the objectivity in such an outlandish, clearly instigating post that would require that post to (a) be part of a GA (on the request of something that has no basis on factuality), (b) still be in a forum and not deleted and thrown in the IF Trashcan that you guys tend to do with most posts against the rules, that (c) took 4 days to lock.

* Explain why that user hasn't been warned for their obvious Hindu-Muslim drama bullshit under the guise of a genocidal conflict.

* Explain why the mod who promoted this and/or active in that thread by editing posts (MNX12) has not said anything regarding her idiotic, biased opinion.

* Explain how no one on the Mod team or Admin caught this on their own? The title says it "THE REAL GENOCIDE" - like are you blind or just purely selective?

Vijay -- IndiaForums is not a rightwing or even a political forum. While we do have political and religious discussions in specific forums and in threads, the policy has always been to respect each other to some degree. Those that violate it, get punished (ie their post trashed and maybe a warning).

It's not that complicated. Treat everyone and their opinions respectfully. If the mods are going to put their bias and bigotry first, then they shouldn't be able to hold mod positions to begin with. An international issue like this - what? Where's the accountability? Why doesn't a global mod or admin overlook the actions of a channel moderator?

So here's to (1) hoping these comments remain instead of being removed because that'd be quite the irony; and (2) we hear something from you.

You profit from us, the least you can do is respond to us and show us your actions Vijay.

Wonderful post. Needed to be said. Thank you for breaking it down rule by rule for all of us.

Of all the things on that thread, there is one that is most disturbing to me, as a reader. One that sticks out to me as heinous. It is the post where the two channel moderators are seen laughing at the term genocide being used flippantly. I believe one of the members posted a screen grab of that post. It does makes you question the integrity of the forum when you see serious issues like genocide being mocked by channel moderators of the forum.

Originally posted by: wheresthecc

Your post is appreciated, i agree with it and thanks for speaking up. However its imperative to address that its not Hindu vs Muslim issue. There arent many Muslims posting and when they do they are systematically prohibited from clarifying misinformation spread by 3 or 4 members

the overwhelming majority of participants in the GA thread and who have their posts deleted and in the CA section are those advocating pro-life.

Its alarming that fewer than four individuals hold the privilege to post in the CA section, with all other contributions promptly deleted. and thats since the inception of the CA section, any expressions of pro-Palestine sentiment have been systematically eliminated.

Similarly, within the infamous GA thread, voices expressing astonishment, confusion, or a desire for clarification were swiftly purged by mnx12 and minionite.

The problem is with the moderators of the forum, minionite and mnx12. Minonite had no issues to remove the bollywood cc because of drama, yet minionite and mnx12 kept such an abhorrent hateful, drama thread up.

If this site has to run smooth, people addressing their concerns directly to the owner should be heard and taken care of. We all have invested so many years on this platform and if you don’t consider your users problem’s what’s the use of running the forums by the same members whose voice is not being heard.

Originally posted by: wheresthecc

Your post is appreciated, i agree with it and thanks for speaking up. However its imperative to address that its not Hindu vs Muslim issue. There arent many Muslims posting and when they do they are systematically prohibited from clarifying misinformation spread by 3 or 4 members

the overwhelming majority of participants in the GA thread and who have their posts deleted and in the CA section are those advocating pro-life.

Its alarming that fewer than four individuals hold the privilege to post in the CA section, with all other contributions promptly deleted. and thats since the inception of the CA section, any expressions of pro-Palestine sentiment have been systematically eliminated.

Similarly, within the infamous GA thread, voices expressing astonishment, confusion, or a desire for clarification were swiftly purged by mnx12 and minionite.

The problem is with the moderators of the forum, minionite and mnx12. Minonite had no issues to remove the bollywood cc because of drama, yet minionite and mnx12 kept such an abhorrent hateful, drama thread up.

I get what you are trying to say but what I meant was it is being made out like its hindus vs muslims on this platform too where the whole purpose of it was to provide entertainment. There are various other social sites on which hatred is fed against each other in the name of religion.

I hope vijay is reading all of this and provides resolution for the same, before its too late.

Originally posted by: KunwaariDaayan

You can breathe now, now that you got all that off your chest.

Good night.

Wait, just to give you an insight.. I haven't been on the forum much. I heard about that thread, I didn't need to see it.. I knew what's happening and I instantly Pm'd Vijay. It's better to cut problems off at the roots then individual branches.

I don't think you are fully aware of my association list, so do not presume whom I'm chummy with.

Just the way I wouldn't discuss any private discussions with you here, I won't on others either.

If you think these rants and attacks will stop them, then pls continue.. I won't stop you, clearly you know where to find them.

Also please do not cut into my comvo with others, when you have no idea of which time line I was referring to.

But right now pls hold my hand and campaign with me to have CA forum closed. If it does happen.. ping me on twitter or some place and let me know it is done.

Originally posted by: Witchofthewest

I get what you are trying to say but what I meant was it is being made out like its hindus vs muslims on this platform too where the whole purpose of it was to provide entertainment. There are various other social sites on which hatred is fed against each other in the name of religion.

I hope vijay is reading all of this and provides resolution for the same, before its too late.

This is not a Hindu/Muslim issue. This is an issue where two channel moderators blatantly displayed highly biased and unprofessional behaviour and got away with it.

I think MNX1 and Minionite should both apologize and resign for willfully pinning the thread mocking an active genocide offending hundreds of India-forums members' sentiments. Moderators should be able to think clearly, calmly setting aside their own personal biases for the sake of the community they serve. If they are unable to do their job fairly, they are NOT capable of moderation.

Two most important roles a forum moderator serves:

1. Encourage positive interaction and engagement among users:

MNX1 and Minionite blatantly took sides on this issue. They chose to pin that thread, they chose to laugh at a post mocking genocide, they chose to allow the thread to go on for 2 days or more. This shows they lack objectivity. Moderators who lack objectivity cannot foster positive engagement.

2. Mediate disputes between users to maintain a civil environment:

MNX1 and Minionite raised warning levels of members offended by the genocide topic, they banned them selectively. By chosing to punish the offended party instead of locking/closing/trashing the thread that caused the offense to begin with, they display total failure to mediate disputes and quell the chaos that ensues once things go haywire.

lol how come none of the folks defending Palestine is abused by MIDs so far? isnt it odd that only those supporting israel suffer the vilest of attacks including getting doxxed (sorry nathu!) while Palestine supporters enjoy up votes, ❤️ emojis, likes? lol? I must be from ali bagh. I don’t understand how this works. anyhoo, good luck getting bullied and intimidated vijay bhaiya by the bollywood forum gang of thugs. its the same passive aggressive bs with them every couple of weeks Nothing new. Some play good cops, some play bad cops while in reality they are all bad cops lol. Don’t worry none of them are leaving not even the one who shes in her 20s since 2007 roflmao

Originally posted by: Endurance101

lol how come none of the folks defending Palestine is abused by MIDs so far? isnt it odd that only those supporting israel suffer the vilest of attacks including getting doxxed (sorry nathu!) while Palestine supporters enjoy up votes, ❤️ emojis, likes? lol? I must be from ali bagh. I don’t understand how this works. anyhoo, good luck getting bullied and intimidated vijay bhaiya by the bollywood forum gang of thugs. its the same passive aggressive bs with them every couple of weeks Nothing new. Some play good cops, some play bad cops while in reality they are all bad cops lol. Don’t worry none of them are leaving not even the one who shes in her 20s since 2007 roflmao

This is not about you. Bow out gracefully. Adults are discussing serious issues that plague the quality and safety of this site for ALL members.

There you go, Vijay. Several people have pointed out how distasteful and problematic the thread "The Real Genocides" is. As @guenhwyvar wonderfully explains, it doesn't meet IF's own code of conduct.

Seeing such an inhumane thread being pinned as a global announcement was an egregious breach of duty and the final straw for many of us. But this issue has been rampant for several months now.

I implore you to take the time to read through the current affairs forum and even the thread pinned about India's election. Half the posts don't even comply with the very first forum guideline that shows up next to the reply box: "Treat others with kindness and respect, and avoid personal attacks, hate speech, and offensive language." Take time to digest the language used, take time to see the utter disdain they have for people who disagree with them, and take the time to see how much hatred there is for people of other religions.

I have been on this forum for eighteen years, and I have engaged in many heated discussions. Sometimes, they crossed the line, but most of us knew how to coexist. But now, I cannot even engage. The moderation is lopsided and has emboldened certain viewpoints to keep crossing the line.

First and foremost, I believe the moderator who pinned the topic as a global announcement needs to apologize and recommit to unbiased moderating. But perhaps in the back end, India Forums needs to do better in guiding and supporting moderators to be unbiased moderators. It is a voluntary and thankless job, so I empathize with them. But what has been happening in current affairs is appalling, even for a voluntary and thankless job. And perhaps you need to hire paid full time moderators who have the training, patience, and incentive to address the serious issues.

Originally posted by: wheresthecc

This is not about you. Bow out gracefully. Adults are discussing serious issues that plague the quality and safety of this site for ALL members.

safety? safety ka kya hua? seriously?

Originally posted by: wheresthecc

This is not a Hindu/Muslim issue. This is an issue where two channel moderators blatantly displayed highly biased and unprofessional behaviour and got away with it.

I think MNX1 and Minionite should both apologize and resign for willfully pinning the thread mocking an active genocide offending hundreds of India-forums members' sentiments. Moderators should be able to think clearly, calmly setting aside their own personal biases for the sake of the community they serve. If they are unable to do their job fairly, they are NOT capable of moderation.

Two most important roles a forum moderator serves:

1. Encourage positive interaction and engagement among users:

MNX1 and Minionite blatantly took sides on this issue. They chose to pin that thread, they chose to laugh at a post mocking genocide, they chose to allow the thread to go on for 2 days or more. This shows they lack objectivity. Moderators who lack objectivity cannot foster positive engagement.

2. Mediate disputes between users to maintain a civil environment:

MNX1 and Minionite raised warning levels of members offended by the genocide topic, they banned them selectively. By chosing to punish the offended party instead of locking/closing/trashing the thread that caused the offense to begin with, they display total failure to mediate disputes and quell the chaos that ensues once things go haywire.

The topic of that GA thread was so wrong to begin with and goes against IF rules and mods handling stuff like this a lot of times should have taken action on this one too. Selective favouritism is not justified in any sense.