SRK's career without KJo and YRF - what would it be?

Quoted from kingkhan22 (posted in the thread about KJo's next movie - without SRK, btw.):

"Just mimus Kjo and Yrf films from Srk's career and you will practically left with ALL FLOPS and just one hit where he played a villain.

So even without any bias this is a fact that Kjo and yrf films are the only ones which gave Srk all that fame and craze, and what he delivered in those films were hamming or very mediocre acting at its best. ...

And again he was not that famous or popular BEFORE doing Kjo and yrf films which makes for almost 90% of the hit films in his filmography."

Well, let me looking at the facts (with a bias for REAL facts):

green: Looking at BOI as a source for giving the lables (which - for many - reflects the succes at the Hindi - with dubbed films also more or less Indian - Boxoffice):

https://www.boxofficeindia.com/actor.php?actorid=4

SRK had 24 Hit (and higher) movies (without semi-hits) from Deewana to Zero from which 14 he had done either with KJo or YRF...that makes 58% "of hit films in his filmography" (not "almost 90%").

For the black, I have done a little survey with the help of Wikipedia: (Deewana - Darr/ KHKN - DDLJ / RamJaane - DTPH / Duplicate - KKHH/ ). Till KKHH, he had done 3 movies with YRF.

BOI lists 62 movies from Deewana till Zero...minus 14 done with KJo/YRF, that makes 48 movies without KJo directing and YRF being the banner. BOI tells us that SRK had 16 flops (incl. disaster) which makes just one third of these 48 movies - in India!. So much to the "practically all flops and one hit".

For all those who are interested in other facts than the pink "without any bias" fact:

Deewana = "emerged as a major commercial success, becoming the second-highest-grossing film of the year"

RBGG = "The film emerged as a commercial success." RBGG "was released in Japan ... introduced [there] the commercial masala film style, which was well received by Japanese audiences, with the film becoming a commercial success in the country."

MayaMemsaab = "... won the National Film Award – Special Mention (Feature Film)"

KingUncle = "The film was box office success and has since gained cult status, being well received by families and children."

Baazigar = "Khan's breakthrough role as the sole lead. ... Apart from emerging as a major financial success, the film has become a cult film over years."

KHKN = "Produced on a budget of ₹14 million, the film grossed ₹55 million. ... It is widely considered to be one of Khan's best performances."

KaranArjun = "Super Blockbuster" - "the second highest-grossing Bollywood film of 1995"

RamJaane = "was released to a positive reception from audiences and was a commercial success."

EBDM = "It is the third highest-grossing film of 1996 worldwide. ... declared a "Flop" by Box Office India"

Chaahat = "Overseas, It is the 4th-highest-grossing film of 1996. ... was declared "Below Average" by Box Office India."

Koyla = "Critics praised the action sequences performed by Khan, and it emerged as the 8th most successful film of 1997 in India. ... The film shared the record for the highest opening day with the previous record opener Trimurti ... was declared an average grosser."

YesBoss = "proved to be one of the most successful films of the year, and was declared a super-hit." Overseas "it is the 3rd-highest-grossing film of 1997 behind Dil To Pagal Hai and Pardes."

Pardes = "praise for its soundtrack and Khan, Chaudhry, and Agnihotri's performances; ... emerging as a commercial success, and was the fourth highest-grossing Bollywood film of 1997."

Duplicate = "Overseas, it is the 3rd-highest-grossing Bollywood film of 1998 behind Kuch Kuch Hota Hai and Dil Se."

DilSe = "the film is an example of parallel cinema ... moderate success at the domestic box office; however it was a major success overseas...becoming the first Indian film to enter the top 10 in the United Kingdom box office charts,[6] and it was also a hit in Japan."

I did the same for the rest of the filmography (main films) ...if there is interest, I can post it.

Here, I just wanted to show a line of success that may have (from Darr on) a bit to do with YRF but nothing with KJo.

SRK made KJO and to some extent Yash Raj too ..  

Karan Johar directed SOTY which grossed only 60 crore and was an average grosser ..  Ae dil hai mushkil just touched 100 crore and was an average grosser ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqWogzd6Kuk  This was a fun movie 

Honestly SRK owes a LOT of his hits, overseas popularity, media being kinder to him and awards to YRF and Dharma. Particularly the access he got through YRF was a dream come true.

YRF has biggest penetration in overseas markets and Indian markets and is biggest PH of India. Being their darling has its advantages. 

To say SRK made YRF is a joke given how Chopras were always powerful.

SRK, Rani, Kajol and to some extent Preity owe a LOT of their stardom to YRF and Dharma. Or else Kajol too was doing lot of B grade films especially with Ajay in 90s. 

Aamir suffered due to fallout with Chopras in 90s. No wonder even he later began working with YRF and made up with Adi Chopra and let fallout with Yash Chopra be a bygone. 

YRF is what it is due to Adi Chopra who is the best business mind out there. 

Other stars did not get kind of exposure and films that SRK and Kajol, Rani got thanks to YRF. 

Outside YRF we all know how many big hits SRK has. 

Atominis wrote:

"Outside YRF we all know how many big hits SRK has."

Well, Superhits and better is balanced (7 to 7), but without so many YRF movies, SRK would be a successful actor, too.

I would say, they mutually benefitted.

Outside YRF

(source BOI) :

HappyNewYear = Superhit // ChennaiExpress = Blockbuster // Don 2 = Hit // Ra.One = Hit // MyNameIsKhan = Hit // OmShantiOm = Blockbuster // Don = Hit // MainHoonNaa = Hit // KalHoNaaHo = Hit // ChalteChalte = Hit // Devdas = Hit // KabhiKushiKabhiGham = Blockbuster // KuchKuchHotaHai = All Time Blockbuster // Pardes = Super Hit // Yes Boss = Hit // RamJaane = Hit // KaranArjun = Super Blockbuster

without BOI-label (source Wikipedia):

Baazigar = a major financial success // KingUncle = box office success // RajuBanGayaGentleman = a commercial success // Deewana = a major commercial success

YRF movies

Darr = Blockbuster // DDLJ = All Time Blockbuster // DilToPagalHai = Blockbuster // Mohabbatein = Blockbuster // VeerZaara = Superhit // ChakDeIndia = Superhit // RabNeBanaDiJodi = Blockbuster // JabTakHaiJaan = Hit // Fan = Flop

I find it very interesting that it was ShahRukh (paired with Kajol!) who made both the debutant directors successful (Karan and Aditya) and it were the respective fathers who trusted SRK that much (YashUncle and Yashji).

What would Big B's career be without Manmohan Desai,Prakash Mehra,Sippy...Big stars and directors  become exclusive..and stars work for other directors when they get a gap.

The same can be said about Amir,Salman,Akki during their prime

When Big B was gone..Careers of all these directors went down.Yash Chopra got back on his feet with Sridevi. and then new superstar SRK.

Yash Chopra and SLB are the  few who got a second lease-because they found stars that matched their vision. Look at Kjo..after SRK left..he is now a small director.Adi  also lost his aura.

Yash Raj, KJo and Deepika are the three pillars of SRK's career 😎

Some other production house would have been famous  

Originally posted by: subhs

Some other production house would have been famous  

Right? Raj Kanwar and Aziz Mirza gave hits with SRK. Kundan Shah did as well. Abbas Mastan were already successful, but SRK worked with them too before YRF and Dharma.

The Chopra-Johar gang picked him because they saw potential for themselves to make more money. That's it. 

The peeps who think the movies would've been hit with someone else... well, SRK would've been successful with other directors. 

Frankly, I think SRK, the actor, lost to the star because of YRF and Dharma. I wish he'd continued his unconventional path.