go narmada go! let it rip!!!!!

so I am a bit of an outlier in that I had zero reaction to reading narmada slapped imlie and it didn't change when I watched the episode either. I actually ffd imlie's bawling. two reasons:

a. I really can't take this show seriously -- there are murder attempts, kidnappings and bomb threats and no one, I repeat no one discussses them or treats them like real events. 😂 any other drama would dissected for a few weeks why and how imlie ended up on top of the mandap. in imlie? no one! 🤣everyone has forgotten how dramatic that wedding was.

b. narmada is a plot point and really needed.

I have been losing interest in the show and the last few arylie romance scenes have fallen flat. I didnt fangirl. I just laughed at the tie and dye show. so I was thinking about why and here are my thoughts --

a. while fans felt narmada went over the top, her questions were pertinent and realistic. I have divorced friends who have faced such questions from their own parents and relatives. especially if they are considering a new relationship/marriage, there is more focus and concern. no one wants another failure. so what is she really asking:

1. do you take marriage seriously? have you learned from your past mistakes?

2. are you committed to this relationship? is that what you really want?

3. what are you feelings towards aryan? is he a rebound?

do we really know the answers to these questions -- no, we don't. we have not heard imlie's thoughts or conversation with aryan on where they stand on this marriage and what they want. we haven't had either wrestle with the awkwardness of being in a relationship where it is not clear where they stand.

b. there has been zero introspection or genuine reflection on what her past means and how that impacts her present. that is weird. in other dramas, there is so much that happens before a couple move forward. I can name many dramas where one or both of the leads have some sort of trauma or issues from their past. this means there is a lot of groundwork that needs to happen before romance romance happens. we haven't had them go backwards and forwards on emotional intimacy.

two examples off the top of my head -- the first one is "maryada: lekin kab tak?" -- it was a late night drama and I remember that drama vaguely just for one scene. I was shocked when the leads actually kissed! they were a real life couple and so they agreed to the scene but it wasn't an actual romantic scene. instead, it was an emotional bomb. so the female lead had faced sexual assualt and basically had been depressed before she met and married the guy. so he was aware of her past but he thinks they are making progress. so he kisses her in this moment. when she slaps him and gets mad at him, he flips out on her. he asks her what he did that was so wrong as they are in a relationship and how it was wrong for a man to feel desire for a woman he is in love with. after that, he shuts down emotionally and becomes physically distant. at this point, bells ring in the female lead's head and so she starts trying to make sense of her reactions and does her best to explain to him. from that point, she is the one pursuing him though there is a constant back and forth whenever her trauma rears its head. it was interesting to watch from what I remember.

the second drama is "yeh hai mohabbatein" -- you have a divorced male lead and a female lead with a broken engagement. how many episodes had to happen before they moved forward together. it was fun, romantic, hilarious as well as emotional to see the leads go backwards and forwards. there were conversations that felt real and authentic. their struggles to opening up towards each other was understandable as the past and how it impacted them was fully explored.

so coming back to imlie -- have we had genuine reflection on what it means for her to get remarried? this is a girl who was so weirdly obsessed with the tripathy family that she agreed to marry aryan. now all of a sudden, she has no memory of them or how those relationships have impacted her? she does not ask herself --

1. why did my relationship fail? do I have what it takes to be successful in marriage? could I have done something better?

2. what does it mean to be a divorcee?

we see her mention that she is afraid when aryan touches her hands in this scene but we have no context to this fear. what is driving that fear? is she afraid of herself? is she afraid of physical intimacy? is she afraid of getting hurt? is she confused by her feelings? what is she feeling??? who knows because we are not told.

even the tie and dye scene where she talks about a stain was weird -- what is she referring to? does she mean that as a divorcee, she feels like a failure? is she referring to how women are judged for having another relationship? what are the details and context to how she feels -- again, nothing! that is really absurd because I have had superbly long conversations with my divorced friends as they reflected, struggled and tried to reconcile with their past.

now lets look at aryan -- we saw someone struggling with the impact of grief where he had shut down his emotions. so whenever imlie got close to him, he was instead pushing her away -- "you are not my friend" was his repeated refrain. now, where is that trauma? why isn't he freaking out or getting confused by his feelings towards her? why isn't he wondering why he wants to protect her? again, we need more!!!

so my point is since that we haven't had internal introspection, we need someone to make it happen. I have been waiting for the shoe to drop and been expecting someone in the family to kickstart it. from that plot perspective, I wasn't surprised to see narmada turn and instead, my reaction was "go, go, go!!!!" for whatever reason, the writers are in a hurry and in some supersonic dash. without the reflection to provide poetry, it means we need other characters to create external conflict and have those quiet moments. so in other words, we need narmada to keep ripping if we are to see real development in arylie and growth in imlie.

See imlie's past reflections we're unlikely to get, as the actors pulled out of the show. A real life problem they've encountered in storytelling.

Had they stayed (actors were game to the negative turn on characters) then it would've been another story, and consistent too.

This is more like imlie 2.0 after the Tripathi's are cut out. And while the dis connection falls flat in overall story, not much makers can do rather than try to maneuver this.

I don't mind naramada turning shade as a plot point, internal conflict leads to lot of angst, I'm here for it. Just feel slap wasn't necessary.

Originally posted by: SundariP

See imlie's past reflections we're unlikely to get, as the actors pulled out of the show. A real life problem they've encountered in storytelling.

Had they stayed (actors were game to the negative turn on characters) then it would've been another story, and consistent too.

This is more like imlie 2.0 after the Tripathi's are cut out. And while the dis connection falls flat in overall story, not much makers can do rather than try to maneuver this.

I don't mind naramada turning shade as a plot point, internal conflict leads to lot of angst, I'm here for it. Just feel slap wasn't necessary.

see, the thing is we don't need those characters to show up on in order to reflect. for example, we didn't really need a lot of scenes with arvind to understand the impact on aryan. they can always take scenes from the episode bank and just replay them a zillion times as imlie reflects. without reflections, the actual romance has been coming across as superbly flat and unreal to me. I have been wondering why I was not fangirling and what is missing -- that poetry that comes from reflection, angst and struggle. without it, arylie feels like some flaky teenage girl's romance. 🤷😅

I feel that the anger and the outburst towards Imlie would have been better justified if it had happened during the reception when Imlie came dressed in the jhaado/mop gear.

At this point Narmada saw how much Imlie was trying to arrange blood, her concern for Aryan etc. the changed perception at this point feels more like buyers' remorse (pardon the objectification) like should have waited a bit longer for Jo or someone else to come along...

Will see how they will navigate this track. Hopefully no sudden white-washing.

I read somewhere that actor’s usually put a clause in their contracts to not show their scenes after they leave the show. Not sure if it’s true but this might be the reason for completely shutting Ts from imlie’s past.

Coming to your posts.. kya kahu mango.. you force me to..

Then I’m like you make all valid points.. but

🤣

I’m just watching this show for ASR.. baaki sab jaye bhaad mein😆

I get your point with introspection. Infact that's my persistent concern with this show.. Without those slow moments we don't get to feel what the characters are feeling

But narmada was not asking questions. She was accusing. And most of it was baseless. Had she asked why did you leave the mandap? Why did you dress up like a naukar as the reception? Do you love my son? That i could understand

But she said - you broke a family. You broke a mother. You don't value your relationships. You just want to get ahead and essentially are an opportunist and a gold digger. This is all crap. This is something she knows is not true bec she has lived for months with imlie and seen her get humiliated by aditya at every turn. Its completely vile

This is a character assault and not questions of concern.

Besides that i agree with what you said that we need to see the characters slow down and process whats happening. I complained today also in the dt. How imlie was so broken yesterday but we don't see any introspection about it today. This is just shoddy writing and even shoddier direction.

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P. S. - after actors leave the show i think you still cannot use the old footage for flashbacks. Its in actors contract. Unless you have specifically signed an actor for the purpose of flashback like arvind. That's why we don't get to see her comparing aditya and aryan bec they can't use either aditya's scenes anymore.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

see, the thing is we don't need those characters to show up on in order to reflect. for example, we didn't really need a lot of scenes with arvind to understand the impact on aryan. they can always take scenes from the episode bank and just replay them a zillion times as imlie reflects. without reflections, the actual romance has been coming across as superbly flat and unreal to me. I have been wondering why I was not fangirling and what is missing -- that poetry that comes from reflection, angst and struggle. without it, arylie feels like some flaky teenage girl's romance. 🤷😅

Agree. But probably there's some issue with replaying the past scenes too because of actor change.

It's not like the team doesn't know storytelling, we've seen them do it well for 100 episodes.

It's either some roadblock or disinterest or both 🤷

Originally posted by: KambakthIshq

I read somewhere that actor’s usually put a clause in their contracts to not show their scenes after they leave the show. Not sure if it’s true but this might be the reason for completely shutting Ts from imlie’s past.

Coming to your posts.. kya kahu mango.. you force me to..

Then I’m like you make all valid points.. but

🤣

I’m just watching this show for ASR.. baaki sab jaye bhaad mein😆

wait, seriously? the scenes don't belong to the production company? hmmm... you can always find creative ways to reflect even if just through a photo or just words? 🤷 kekekke, me being all logical! 😆

Originally posted by: SundariP

Agree. But probably there's some issue with replaying the past scenes too because of actor change.

It's not like the team doesn't know storytelling, we've seen them do it well for 100 episodes.

It's either some roadblock or disinterest or both 🤷

I think gul has shifted her main team to her new web series. So we have B team of writers and director that are for all purposes substandard

They come back for particular sequences so we get magic like the fake date. How awesome was that - imlie trying to pry open aryans past and getting low key jealous of his non existent girlfriends. Both falling in love with each other a little more.

And as soon as the scene ended we were back to the bd/bm drama and back to the secondary team

Originally posted by: bips

I get your point with introspection. Infact that's my persistent concern with this show.. Without those slow moments we don't get to feel what the characters are feeling

But narmada was not asking questions. She was accusing. And most of it was baseless. Had she asked why did you leave the mandap? Why did you dress up like a naukar as the reception? Do you love my son? That i could understand

But she said - you broke a family. You broke a mother. You don't value your relationships. You just want to get ahead and essentially are an opportunist and a gold digger. This is all crap. This is something she knows is not true bec she has lived for months with imlie and seen her get humiliated by aditya at every turn. Its completely vile

This is a character assault and not questions of concern.

Besides that i agree with what you said that we need to see the characters slow down and process whats happening. I complained today also in the dt. How imlie was so broken yesterday but we don't see any introspection about it today. This is just shoddy writing and even shoddier direction.

.

P. S. - after actors leave the show i think you still cannot use the old footage for flashbacks. Its in actors contract. Unless you have specifically signed an actor for the purpose of flashback like arvind. That's why we don't get to see her comparing aditya and aryan bec they can't use either aditya's scenes anymore.

again, am going to be an outlier but I was fine with the accusations because I saw it as necessary for the plot to move forward and have some amount of introspection. for some weirdo reasons, the only introspections or reflections seems to happen with taunts in imlie. so people have to be nasty and that forces them to react and get out of their comfort zone. that seems to be the consistent writing style from all the episodes I have seen. just like imlie needed aditya to turn against her in order for her to accept the relationship was over for good, it seems that she needs narmada to stab her in order to take this relationship seriously...

P.S -- am surprised by this footage clause.