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Posted: 5 years ago
#71
Vidya had a problem with One person in the industry, it is Rani.I know why now
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: astha36



No. I don't think so. Nobody needs to be anything. Especially actors. And that person was saying if this is the best we have, then we should be worried. In that context especially, it shouldn't matter. Those are the best actors we have. They are doing their job well. They don't have to be articulate or smart or well informed, which is what intelligence would mean here, to be good actors. We don't have to be worried about this. Only in one aspect would this be valid, that many gullible people follow them and their words. But acc to me, people shouldn't look up to actors personally anyway. Not in the way that they would follow their opinions. It's their own fault for doing that.




an actor has to be articulate, intelligent and smart.

That is one of the keys, what even are you talking about😆.


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheSupergirl



Fighting back is better than getting raped. What ur saying is badi badi baatein. A practical solution is what is needed if u really want change. U can go out n find out about how many women are sexually harrassed and fight their cases and get all the men punished, practical is it?
IF pe baatein karne se kuch nahi hoga. If women want to not be harrassed, they should protect themselves as much as they can. And I have nowhere shifted the blame on women, if ur comprehension skills are poor, its not really my problem u know.


Oh so those women who get raped just lie quietly over there, you think? Or do you think that it is practical to give self defense classes to half the population of this country and in fact in the whole world? When there are girls who don't even get educated, do you think they will get self defense training from anyone? The govt will do that? That's very practical sure.


So, if women want to not be harassed, they better get martial arts training and if they don't, then they have no right to complain. Is that it? People DO try to do everything to protect themselves as much as they can. Not everybody is ready for every situation. THAT is impractical. What we can, however, do, is to make better laws to punish those who have done wrong so that those who have been wronged don't feel helpless about it.


IF pe baat toh sab hi kar rahe hain yahan. Agar isse kuchh nahi hota hai toh reply mat karo.
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Posted: 5 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: Thug-Leader




an actor has to be articulate, intelligent and smart.

That is one of the keys, what even are you talking about😆.



Where is this coming from? Why should they be? I'm genuinely asking this.
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Posted: 5 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: FilmiDhun

Tabu is the smartest of the all- she chose to sit quiet knowing very well that your point is not gonna be heard in this chaos...

Rani's POV on the MeToo movement... my gawd.. 🥱😆
For the uninitiated, she is very much stuck in her character from Mardaani who also had a similar advice to share- strengthen women so that they can defend themselves from men.
Well Rani, its easier said that done, especially when several men gang up against a woman and assault her. We live in this world, not some movie set where dishoom dishoom can make people fly across the room. Such a silly line of thinking..

The roundtable was average... at one point everyone was just butting into each other's speech and I just gave up trying to make sense of whatever they were trying to say.

A few points:

1. Padmaavat's Jauhar scene to me was neither glorification of outdated traditions nor regressive. What it was for me was tragedy...and an immense tragedy at that...seeing Rajputi women of all ages end their lives in such a painful way has really stuck with me, for the scale of the disaster that it was... People and media nowadays forget that historical films dont exist to teach people right or wrong.. they exist to also depict extraordinary events that may at times be unfathomable or unreasonable to us living in the 21st century.

2. Whats that commercial film Tapsee rejected because the women had little to do in it? Sanju? Thats the only one that fits her description from all 2018 releases. Awkward seeing her speak like that, with Anushka, one of Sanju's many side characters sitting just next to her.

I think Tapsee was talking about Badhaai Ho.
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: astha36



Where is this coming from? Why should they be? I'm genuinely asking this.



because they are in a profession where it is very necessary to be well read and well informed.

All great actors are people who are known to read, read and just read to broaden their mindset and views.

This is why drama and acting schools make their students read philosophy, literature and sociology, apart from the theory of acting and film making.

Them being intelligent isn't for audience, but for themselves.
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Posted: 5 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: Thug-Leader




an actor has to be articulate, intelligent and smart.

That is one of the keys, what even are you talking about😆.



Let me give some examples -

articulate.. I think Kangana wasn't very articulate earlier but she was the best in Fashion.

intelligent - Rani doesn't seem intelligent but she's a good actor.

smart - Kareena is not smart, but she's one of the best we have.


So, doesn't seem to me like they need to be these people in real life to play onscreen characters well.
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: altgr

I think Tapsee was talking about Badhaai Ho.



Oh is it?? Because she said she knew it would do well and that it was a commercial film. How was she sure badhaai ho would do well?
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: astha36


Oh so those women who get raped just lie quietly over there, you think? Or do you think that it is practical to give self defense classes to half the population of this country and in fact in the whole world? When there are girls who don't even get educated, do you think they will get self defense training from anyone? The govt will do that? That's very practical sure.


So, if women want to not be harassed, they better get martial arts training and if they don't, then they have no right to complain. Is that it? People DO try to do everything to protect themselves as much as they can. Not everybody is ready for every situation. THAT is impractical. What we can, however, do, is to make better laws to punish those who have done wrong so that those who have been wronged don't feel helpless about it.


IF pe baat toh sab hi kar rahe hain yahan. Agar isse kuchh nahi hota hai toh reply mat karo.



Which is why i am saying education should be made compulsory for everyone. Most girls do not get education, so awareness should be increased and literacy rate has increased. Yeh sab hona chahiye, as clearly getting men hanged or punished is not helping.

If awareness is increased, women can protect themselves and avoid such a situation, not always of course but whenever possible. There is no fool proof solution for anything. If there was, there would no rapes or crimes against women. But atleast, if not the little girls who unfortunately suffer, young women can be saved if they can help themselves.
And simultaneously laws should be strengthened and movts like MeToo should continue. But for a change to come because of these movts and laws, it takes TIME. It ain't easy.

Women should be taught to be self sufficient is my point. Not that they have no right to complain if they get harrassed, God alone knows where u got that from. Bad comprehension skills i see.

Why shouldn't i reply, IF pe bolne se kuch nahi hota, that really doesnt mean i shouldn't reply to u.
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Thug-Leader



because they are in a profession where it is very necessary to be well read and well informed.

All great actors are people who are known to read, read and just read to broaden their mindset and views.

This is why drama and acting schools make their students read philosophy, literature and sociology, apart from the theory of acting and film making.

Them being intelligent isn't for audience, but for themselves.


I understand what you mean. A person who is well read and intelligent would be great at her art. She has a lot of places to draw inspiration from, to take perspective from. I get that. But, while it is great to be that kind of an actor, it is not the only way to be. There are natural actors. People who observe others in real life so much, or they have lived through many experiences and they can draw from them.


Or maybe actors could be more convincingly versatile if they were smarter and read and read and read but natural actors with limited experiences to draw from, could act well in parts that they can relate to. So, maybe they won't be as versatile. But they could still be good, right? And there's also another point. Is it a given that somebody who has read films or even other subjects you mentioned could definitely act very well? I am not sure about this, but I think acting is an ability which not everyone can get equally. So, for someone it may be very natural and for another even after a lot fo cultivation, they can't get where the other has. I mean acting talent is exclusive of studying acting or having a well informed personality, I think. I could be wrong.


And earlier you said actors should be able to put forward their opinion in a comprehensive way. That could be a by product of having read enough or being smart and intelligent but in itself, I don't think articulation is an important trait for an actor to have.
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