okay so i was on the forum Kasamh Se and i read an update of how one of the characters Pushkar hit his very B*tchy wife and threatened to break her face. almost all of the people on that forum said that it was okay to hurt her because she was rude, mean and b*tchy and she deserved it. I dont know if that is because a lot of the people that watch the show are teenage girls (me included 😆)who wont believe that a good looking character can be wrong even if they hurt their wives. Some gave the argument that she hit him back when he hit her so it was okay that he hit her. I mean i also saw that when for a while everyone thought that Angad in Kaisa Yeh Pyar hai had raped his wife Kripa. Almost All the girls said he didn't rape her and if he did she had deserved it cause she was mean to him. In both these cases the women attacked the guy's manhood so they raped or abused them. I am simply so shocked by this because it seems that most of the girls find it okay for men to hit their wives if the wife is mean. Thats a great reason by the way. We have discussed this sort of in Aparna's slapping of women on television debate though this is not so much about that but rather about the mentality of people who watch these slappings. I am so shocked by how easily some of these girls accept the abuse of women and say the woman deserved it. No woman deserves abuse, if she is so bad her husband should leave her rather than abusing her.
I am very sorry if i offended anyone but i was simply so shocked to see the way some people responded to abuse of women that i couldn't stop myself from posting this.
This is disgusting. It just reminds me of how battered/abused women keep going back to their abusers no matter what!
And justifying the abuser's actions is just sick! If a woman is being bitchy to a man, it does not mean that he should hit her or rape her! if she does not attack him physically or try to poison him or something of that sort, what gives him the right to raise his hand at her?
The Fan-Girls who justify their favourite character's actions - I really dont know what to say about this lot, honestly. They have no idea what rape or abuse actually mean. 🤢 They get such a daily dose of such stories (courtesy Kekta Maiyya) that domestic abuse is COMMON to them and something which must be TOLERATED! 😡
to be fair to Armaan fans, most of them liked him because they knew the original story, etc. etc. and Armaan Suri was at least not physically abusive towards Jassi. (as far as what I saw - dont know if that changed once i stopped watching)
But, I agree. In real life, few girls would tolerate so much nonsense from a guy and PREFER to be treated like a doormat!
At times, women are at fault.......We perpetually defend women, but there are times when men are at the receiving end of the torture....If a wife is unfaithful, then its the husband who is to be sympathised with.....and if a husband slaps his wife when he uncovers her infidelity, I wouldnt really blame him or call him an abuser🤔🤔..Yeah, I wouldnt!😊(just as I wouldnt call a woman a abuser if she slaps her husband when she uncovers his infidelity)
Abuse is of many forms......malfeasance is also a kind of abuse, and so is vituperation.....molestation and exploitation both come under the category of abuse......But each of the above mentioned crimes of of a certain ilk......the context is pivotal......a "slap" cannot be straight away adjudged as "abuse"...If a father slaps his daughter when she does or says anything inappropriate( a ka uses swearwords infront of elders), we dont call it abuse
When women are wrong, it becomes the duty of the guardian/spouse to correct her...and if a teen uses the four letter word, and refuses to apologize, and if the father slaps her at the spur of the moment, I wouldnt deem that as abuse......Similarly I dont reckon Pushkar's slapping Pia as "abuse"......Pia is too juvenile, and she isnt ready to make her conpromises and adjustments.....She infact regrets not marrying a rich sugar daddy,only because she could have her whims and fancies materialized...I would call the slapping episode blameworthy and not an "abuse"......blameworthiness or inappropriateness can be forgiven especially if the "victim" of the iniquity too was at fault( a ka Pia's case), abuse cant be forgiven😡!...I really dont think Pushkar should have given into Pia's atrocious demands, just to appease the tension..... ..His slap can be pardoned, as Pia too was equally at fault.....But those who drink and abuse their wives for money , those who simply thrash their wives mercilessly,those who exercise their chauvinistic attitude by impeding the career of their wives,those who clobber their wives for dowry etc etc are deemed as "abusers"...and those cannot be pardoned, come hell or high water!
to be fair to Armaan fans, most of them liked him because they knew the original story, etc. etc. and Armaan Suri was at least not physically abusive towards Jassi. (as far as what I saw - dont know if that changed once i stopped watching)
But, I agree. In real life, few girls would tolerate so much nonsense from a guy and PREFER to be treated like a doormat!
LOL, Armaan was never an abuser😊...he did slap her once, that's when she told him that she slept with another man, hours before their marriage🤢I never knew the story of BLF(in all honesty, how many of those who watched JJKn would probably have had known the BLF storyline...I didnt), but i yet wanted jassi to end up witn armaan😳...I didnt hate purab as much as many of the other Armaan fans did😆......Atleast in Jassi's eyes, armaan never abused her or treated her as a doormat(but when she realized his ulterior intentions, she ruined him albeit in a subtle way)...he was the first one to give her a job, He was the first one to tap her potential(that was his luck BTW😆), and when all and sundry were against her appointment,against her being entrusted with the important tasks, It was armaan who solely took the plunge of appointing her, and his decisions were vindicated...and for a girl who was only used to being teased and being jeered at, this was a delightful departure from the normal fashion(and so was it for the viewers) ...He did develop cold feet when he felt that jassi might swindle the money, and thus he plotted and connived🤢..but basically he wasnt a really "BAD" fellow.....and thus the Armaan fans liked him and believed that some day or the other, this rake would metamorphose😃..and to top it all, Purab was a typical cliched hero who was too good to be true(just like all those kinds we get to see on tv everyday).....errm, to be honest, many of the armaan fans just happened to like him from the start(they chose to see his better caring side), and wanted jassi to marry armaan...and Purab was somewhat of a kabab mein haddi😆😆........ finally it all comes down to personal choices😊
Edited by Buffie - 17 years agoYou r right of course sometimes the woman is to blame but her husband does not have the right to hit her. i dont care how juvenile pia is but that doesn't give Pushkar the right to hit her, the same way a woman shudn't hit her husband. Physical abuse is not right from any partner. If you are saying that it's okay for a husband to hit his wife when he finds out about her infidelity then an extreme version wud be that he is right when he kills her in the name of honor. It is not the duty of your spouse to correct you, it is the duty of ur parents. relationship with one's parents is different from what one has with a husband.Your parents have a right to teach u right from wrong, but ur spouse is an equal so they dont get to correct u or tell u what to do. Sure a spouse should tell u what they think but they have no right to correct u, coerce u or force u to do what they think is right. A father slapping his daughter is different because she is his daughter, his responsibility to teach right from wrong. physical abuse is not the answer and what Pushkar did was abuse because he like every chavinistic pig on the planet hit his wife when he didn't like what she said and then threatened to break her face. i dont see it is as something that can be forgiven. I also dont think that ur spouse has the right/responsibility to correct they have a right/responsibility to tell u what they feel is right but they have no right to make u follow it.
At times, women are at fault.......We perpetually defend women, but there are times when men are at the receiving end of the torture....If a wife is unfaithful, then its the husband who is to be sympathised with.....and if a husband slaps his wife when he uncovers her infidelity, I wouldnt really blame him or call him an abuser🤔🤔..Yeah, I wouldnt!😊(just as I wouldnt call a woman a abuser if she slaps her husband when she uncovers his infidelity)
Abuse is of many forms......malfeasance is also a kind of abuse, and so is vituperation.....molestation and exploitation both come under the category of abuse......But each of the above mentioned crimes of of a certain ilk......the context is pivotal......a "slap" cannot be straight away adjudged as "abuse"...If a father slaps his daughter when she does or says anything inappropriate( a ka uses swearwords infront of elders), we dont call it abuse
When women are wrong, it becomes the duty of the guardian/spouse to correct her...and if a teen uses the four letter word, and refuses to apologize, and if the father slaps her at the spur of the moment, I wouldnt deem that as abuse......Similarly I dont reckon Pushkar's slapping Pia as "abuse"......Pia is too juvenile, and she isnt ready to make her conpromises and adjustments.....She infact regrets not marrying a rich sugar daddy,only because she could have her whims and fancies materialized...I would call the slapping episode blameworthy and not an "abuse"......blameworthiness or inappropriateness can be forgiven especially if the "victim" of the iniquity too was at fault( a ka Pia's case), abuse cant be forgiven😡!...I really dont think Pushkar should have given into Pia's atrocious demands, just to appease the tension..... ..His slap can be pardoned, as Pia too was equally at fault.....But those who drink and abuse their wives for money , those who simply thrash their wives mercilessly,those who exercise their chauvinistic attitude by impeding the career of their wives,those who clobber their wives for dowry etc etc are deemed as "abusers"...and those cannot be pardoned, come hell or high water!
LOL, Armaan was never an abuser😊...he did slap her once, that's when she told him that she slept with another man, hours before their marriage🤢I never knew the story of BLF(in all honesty, how many of those who watched JJKn would probably have had known the BLF storyline...I didnt), but i yet wanted jassi to end up witn armaan😳...I didnt hate purab as much as many of the other Armaan fans did😆......Atleast in Jassi's eyes, armaan never abused her or treated her as a doormat(but when she realized his ulterior intentions, she ruined him albeit in a subtle way)...he was the first one to give her a job, He was the first one to tap her potential(that was his luck BTW😆), and when all and sundry were against her appointment,against her being entrusted with the important tasks, It was armaan who solely took the plunge of appointing her, and his decisions were vindicated...and for a girl who was only used to being teased and being jeered at, this was a delightful departure from the normal fashion(and so was it for the viewers) ...He did develop cold feet when he felt that jassi might swindle the money, and thus he plotted and connived🤢..but basically he wasnt a really "BAD" fellow.....and thus the Armaan fans liked him and believed that some day or the other, this rake would metamorphose😃..and to top it all, Purab was a typical cliched hero who was too good to be true(just like all those kinds we get to see on tv everyday).....errm, to be honest, many of the armaan fans just happened to like him from the start(they chose to see his better caring side), and wanted jassi to marry armaan...and Purab was somewhat of a kabab mein haddi😆😆........ finally it all comes down to personal choices😊
You r right of course sometimes the woman is to blame but her husband does not have the right to hit her. i dont care how juvenile pia is but that doesn't give Pushkar the right to hit her, the same way a woman shudn't hit her husband. Physical abuse is not right from any partner. If you are saying that it's okay for a husband to hit his wife when he finds out about her infidelity then an extreme version wud be that he is right when he kills her in the name of honor.
But a slap and a murder isnt the same....😊Murder is the result when a person has absolutely no self restraint...But then, at the end of the day everyone is human....and I guess we can give everyone a small margin😊...anger is pardonable, as long as it doesnt cross limits...beating up the wife ruthlessly is not pardonable,...Now consider this case...the girl's parents are dead...she's on drugs, and her guardian happens to be say her husband(a far fetched assumption but whatever)...Now I wouldnt really consider it a crime or an abuse when he slaps her in order to prevent her from doing drugs....as I said, the context is important.....Now In Ksbkbt, meera killed savita(i believe..i dont watch the soap but i read something on those lines)...and when mihir uncovers the truth, and if he slaps meera, i wouldnt call it "abuse"......A woman can be pious as well as vicious.....
It is not the duty of your spouse to correct you, it is the duty of ur parents. relationship with one's parents is different from what one has with a husband.Your parents have a right to teach u right from wrong, but ur spouse is an equal so they dont get to correct u or tell u what to do. Sure a spouse should tell u what they think but they have no right to correct u, coerce u or force u to do what they think is right.
Coertion is wrong, but correction and coertion cannot be tarred with the same brush....correction anc coertion arent synonymous....I do believe that a husband or a wife shoulder the responsibility to correct the spouse if he/she's on the wrong track.....What if the parents are dead..does that mean the spouse turns a blind eye only because the parent isnt alive to correct the spouse.....Then that would mean that the husband/wife doesnt care a damn about the spouse, which is WRONG!!...That would mean that there is no mutual love in the marriage, and such a marriage isnt a solid one...and one more thing, are you saying that its not right for a spouse to coerce but its allright for a parent to coerce/slap/beat❓..That's such a cockamamie belief😕
A father slapping his daughter is different because she is his daughter, his responsibility to teach right from wrong.
So isnt it the duty of the husband to teach the wife what is right and what is wrong incase she isnt able to differentiate between the two????Dont you think a husband must love his wife as much as she is loved by her father???and with love comes responsibility.....
physical abuse is not the answer and what Pushkar did was abuse because he like every chavinistic pig on the planet hit his wife when he didn't like what she said and then threatened to break her face. i dont see it is as something that can be forgiven. I also dont think that ur spouse has the right/responsibility to correct they have a right/responsibility to tell u what they feel is right but they have no right to make u follow it.
No, CHAUVINISTS beat up their wives as they consider them inferior to them...MCP's consider women inferior to them, they dont give them any respect, they thwart their careers, and try to opress the wife...that wasnt what Pushkar did...he slapped his wife because what she said was inappropriate..hell, she says that she should have married the sugar daddy,...she says this infront of her husband....that was definitely wrong....people do tend to always side the fairer sex, but then when the female in question is on the wrong path, it becomes the duty of the husband to correct her...I never said that the slapping incident was not at all wrong..I only said that it is pardonable as Pia was mainly at fault......Now had he slapped her, just to voice his chauvinism, I would say that he ought be skinned....
Edited by Buffie - 17 years ago
if a women is pushing her luck going over the top, sl*gin off her husband and that then i think she needs a good beating but otherwise no man should hit a women but at the sametime a women should also stay within the limits........... |
.and one more thing, are you saying that its not right for a spouse to coerce but its allright for a parent to coerce/slap/beat❓..That's such a cockamamie belief😕
So isnt it the duty of the husband to teach the wife what is right and what is wrong incase she isnt able to differentiate between the two????Dont you think a husband must love his wife as much as she is loved by her father???and with love comes responsibility.....
Buffie i completely disagree with you that the
husband can use force if the wife is wrong to subdue her and teach her
whats right.
I agree with Zara that a parent- child
relationship is much different from a husband- wife relationship. Its a
different aspect here : Parents are the childs GUARDIAN. The
child is too immature to handle responsibility and make adult decisions.
As for a husband , he is NEVER NEVER NEVER your guardian. Please get this right. No matter in any circumstance he is NEVER
your guardian. Even if the spouse is not working and is dependant on
her man financialy or emotionally. By calling her husband the guardian
you are already reducing her status to the one she had when she was a
child and needed direction from her parents.
As a wife she may be wayward and needs direction, but
then as a friend and her equal a husband should guide her . NOT AS HER
GUARDIAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've got to talk it out as an equal.
How will use of violence ever put sense in some wayward adults
head????????????? Don't forget the woman, the wife is an adult not a
child. Neither will a woman ever be able to put sense in her husband by
physically abusing him nor will the husband. If words and counselling
do not help. Then nothing will. Certainly not violence.
Please do read my response below to baby*bunny as the same goes for you too. I didn't want to repeat myself.