i say kashmir was always indiaz part and invading it nd sayin that it is suppose to b therez doesnt make any sense. its like dictatorship
wat say guyz???
* REMEMBER WE R JST DISCUSSING, IF PAKISTANIS SAY THAT KASHMIR IS THIERS THEN PLZ GIVE ME A PROOF. Kashmir was a independent country b4 it merged wid India; it was Kashmirz head who chose to merge wid india and demanded for special guidelines for his country and today indian constitution still has a article listing all those guidelines and the agreement too. thx for cooperationπ
This happened before Pakistan was formed, so i think they cud have asked for kashmir area instead of punjab area during the formation.
As far as i noe Mohammad Ali Jinaah, the founder of Pakistan believed in peace within and without, in the principle of "live and let live". Actually, the Pakistan demand itself, as defined by him, was based on this principle: "let the two major nations, Hindus and Muslims, manage their affairs in their respective areas according to their own rights and traditions and⦠thus paving the way for two nations to live in peace and good neighbourliness with each other in the Subcontinent". "Pakistan presupposed freedom for the Subcontinent as a whole". (from- http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=160615&K W=happy)
So y r v hurting his thoughts. Was this really his dream??No it wasn't .π
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Edited by Aparna_BD - 18 years ago
*First of all, let me correct some of your facts. The area of Kashmir which is in Pakistan is not kept but 'conquered' in 1965.
*Kargil war was not the biggest war; war in 1971 was the biggest one, when East Pakistan was separated from the West Pakistan. Pakistan had to face a big defeat because of all the politics happening in East Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh.
Kargil's war was the biggest political drama. I won't go in detail of this drama, coz many of you don't want to hear it.
*As for the wars, it is a political drama. It is emotional blackmailing. Weather it is between Pakistan-India or any other country. There is always a third party which is forcing them, not to be one. In this case it is Great USA which has kept week points of both the countries and is blackmailing them. And our great political leaders are not that brave enough that they can fight back.
As for the Muslims getting a separate nation; before 1930 the fight was for freedom for the Indians, which included Muslims, Hindus and many other minorities. But looking at the situation at that time, Muslims had to ask for a separate country. As for Kashmir, I am not to sure about it. But I do know that it was part of India, BUT in that area the majority was of Muslims. So they wanted to be part of Pakistan, which was made for the Muslim majority.
Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Maldives, Andaman, Sri Lanka and a few other islands were all part of the "Indian - Sub-continent" that does not mean that in present also they should all be part of India. When they got their freedom, let them live.
Kashmir was of a Prince and he sold the area to Indian Raja of that time, but it was way before the fight for freedom started. The Prince didn't merge in the India after 1947 but in the India before 1947. And there is a huge difference between these two India.
In 1947, when the partition happened, Kashmir was part of India, if people at that time wanted to be part of Pakistan, then it should be part of Pakistan. They were two main purpose of the separation one freedom from the British rule, and secondly Freedom of religion. Both Muslims and Hindus were having problems with each other. Thanks to the British rule. It broke the bond of 800 years in 200 years.
As for the "Pakistani Terrorists" they are not terrorists. They are people jin per zulm howa hai, which you and me can't even imagine. They are neither Pakistani nor Indians, they are those unfortunates who have only seen fighting and terror around them from the day they were born.
You know which people commit suicide bombing? They are people who have lost everything, their families, their homes, their childhood, their "life", they are the ones who have lost everything, even the fear of death. They know keh un who bhi kisi din issi hi kisi goli saye life khatam ho jaye gi. Marna tu hai hi, kuch kar keh mara jaye. So they go and commit suicide with a bomb around themselves.
[quote=heart girl]Muslims wanted a different country and they were given Pakistan but wat now .............. [/quote]
Thank you so much for this kindness, boht meharbani aap ki.
India has a huge piece of land, where there is still so much poverty, why doesn't the government take care of them first, why are they wasting money on the piece of land. They want money out of that land. It is a tourist's heaven. But all these wars are making it a country of graves.
Tell me something, if Kashimir is part of India, then why is there 8000 + army in Kashmir? Kya Delhi, Bombay or Calcutta ki roads per bhi isshi tarha army hoti hai? If India says keh woh un ka hisa hai, then why don't they treat like it? Dar kis baat ka hai??
[quote=heart girl]As far as i noe Mohammad Ali Jinaah, the founder of Pakistan believed in peace within and without, in the principle of "live and let live". Actually, the Pakistan demand itself, as defined by him, was based on this principle: "let the two major nations, Hindus and Muslims, manage their affairs in their respective areas according to their own rights and traditions and⦠thus paving the way for two nations to live in peace and good neighbourliness with each other in the Subcontinent". "Pakistan presupposed freedom for the Subcontinent as a whole". (from- http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=160615&K W=happy)
So y r v hurting his thoughts. Was this really his dream??No it wasn't .[/quote]
Mahatma Gandi also said the similar thing, then why isn't India stepping back. Pakistan nahian maan raha tu aap maan jao.
Since 1947 both India and Pakistan are fighting for a piece of land. This issue has been talked so much that it has now lost the real meaning. Losing or gaining that piece has become an ego problem for both. This ego kills everyday a son, a brother, or a father. This ego problem has totally ignored what the people of that land (Kashmir) want. Today they want a separate country for themselves. They don't want to be part of Pakistan or India. Why would they be?? What have they gained so far? Why can't India and Pakistan leave them alone. Kaab taak laroo gaye uss jaga keh liye jidhar ki mitti bhi tumhara saath nahian dehti. Iss saye pehlye ko who mitti nafrat karnye lagye, uss ko chor doh. Kyun keh iss larai saye kisi ko kuch nahian milnye wala. Sirf eik insaan ki baat maanye keh liye, 1000s logoon ko kyun maar rahye ho? Woh tu pidha hi duniya ko bardad karnye keh liye howa hai. ( I am talking about Bush)
Yeh War aab Kashmir keh liye nahian hai. Yeh War aab power keh liye hai, naam keh liye hai. Yeh War aab donno countries keh liye izzat ka sawal hai. Aur baas kuch aur nahain.
I am sorry, I started writing aur main likhti chali gai. Sorry lamba hogiya. But I don't know what to edit out. So I am posting everything.
I have nothing aginist India or Indians. but as a very neutral person I have many shikyats from both the governoments.
Edited by Ms. Bholi Bhali - 18 years ago*First of all, let me correct some of your facts. The area of Kashmir which is in Pakistan is not kept but 'conquered' in 1965. [/quote] i noe its conquered. y did tey conquer it?? If kashmir ppl wanted to migrate to they cud as punjabis living in pakistan did but all did not chose too and they r still in india.it was 20th century not alexander period that we ll attach the country and get the land. Bangladesh was called "east pakistan" so y did they seperated itself from Pakistan ?? why?? they were also muslims . now its a independent country and india is not trying to overtake it.
coz it was made by India's help. the minister of east Pakistan back stabed Pakistan in 1971. General Niazi's army was fighting with the Indian Army, and from the back, the ppl who were with that guy, started firing Pakistani Army. that is the reason General Niazi has to drop the weapons. because "jin ko apna banaya tha. wohi dhuka deh gaye."
aaj bhi Bangladesh doesn't consider Pakistan their "Muslim Brothers" it is there fault. they showed that when in 2000 Cricket world cup, when Pakistan let Bangladesh win. they went back to their country and celebrited in that Paltan ground.
as for conquring, ask those who are fighting. I never told anyone to fight. I think world is going bak to the dark ages. Insaan, janwar saye insaan bana tha. aur aab wapis janwar ban raha hai. idhar fight aab power ki hai.
that is the reason, yeh floods aur earthquakes aatye hain. God tells man that He is the greatest power.