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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#241

Originally posted by: sshirley

Good god !! I've been trying to sAy that I have gone thru both threads

No m Sindhi so Cheti Chand for us

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Ignore my blabber.. Am out of my mind cz of these damn submissions... 😆

Wow!!! Its Marathi new year tomorrow. Nice coincidence.. 😃

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#242

Originally posted by: sshirley
Btw sorry I don't mean to hurt anyone and I absolutely adore bijoyji n especially janak as a character n m delighted to see him back but something is really bothering me
Per my understanding of our traditions, a woman's parents aren't supposed to interfere in her sasural matters.

I would have liked more if he had offered a token resistance when called upon to head the sabha

You aren't hurting anyone's feelings.. Don't be that formal..

"Interference" as per me is a very heavy word. Let's track back. Did janaka really interfered? Is the first question. Or did he pose as a guiding light?

From the time he's shown back, he didn't even utter about his daughters. Not even once... Neither sita nor urmila. Instead he comes in support of bharat.

And that again is very layered in terms of screenplay... Janaka took the role of "sita" for the sisters especially mandavi. As shruthi rightly said, mandvi's stand we need to wait for nandigram prasthaan. Let's hold it. But again let's dwell on janaka's stand. At times it becomes necessary for a person to allow and support him for what he does.. It will either make him or break him. But again, what lies ahead is hope... Mandvi's concerns were valid. Why to give false hopes? Janaka had his answer... Why not free him of his guilt? Why not let him try? Even janaka knew ram won't return... All he wanted was to remove that veil of illusion from bharat's eyes... And just c the placement of scenes.. As bharat enters the forest, lakshman storms off to kill him. What ram says? Let him see the truth... That's the beauty of screenplay...

As janaka makes an entry in the forest, he sees sita.. But does he break down? Does she break down? She hugs him. But did he question her? Did he question ram? Not at all..

The same with his interaction with kaikeyi. Kaikeyi committed a blunder, but what he said? These are your daughters.. Not once did he complain...

Cmn to today's episode... Why janaka was elected as the judge of the sabha? Not because he was sita's father so he would twist the situations and bring back ram. But for his shastra, neeti,

gyaan, sakaratmakta.. If it would have been interference, he by hook or by crook would have got ram back.

And see the way he announces his decision.. Its pretty applaud worthy. He reasons out everything. And then hits the hammer. If it would have been interference, his decision would have been questioned by his daughters themselves... The girls have that knowledge..

Am reminded of mandvi's proposal scene. Janaka decides. Mandvi protests. And sita questions.. That was so quick.. 👏 it was like janaka had interfered mandvi's personal space and decided for her life..

So if today, it would have been interference, wouldn't his daughters protest?

And today janak was addressed as "rajrishi". Even ram called him " rajrishi"

He wasn't there as their father in law. He wasn't there as a samdhi. He was one mute spectator of their debate.

He spoke. He judged. He decided but at the end. When everything was over...

Interference is what manthara showed... Kaikeyi gave her the place of her mother. And see what she did.. She interfered and did all satyanaas.

Interference happens when there is "moh", " laalsa" "aasakti".

And janaka has love. Pure love. For prakriti. For justice. For dharma. For knowledge. Cz if he didn't have these virtues, there wouldn't have been sita. There wouldn't have been urmila. There wouldn't have been mandvi. There wouldn't have been kirti.

A man who supported his praja. Who stayed for his praja. Who never lost hope in those 12 dreaded years of drought.. How is he expected to interfere? Won't it be character distortion?

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sshirley

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Posted: 9 years ago

#243

@DD - thank u so much for the detailed reply. Mind if I reply late afternoon to evening?? Actually m v tired n sleepy plus like I said have hectic routine since morning

Shruthiji - indeed coincidence but m not so surprised . Will explain later why. And no worries I understand u r under pressure n perhaps v tired

Saw the episode - awesome indeed

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suppss77

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Posted: 9 years ago

#244

Janhavi welcome back ...was missing you...I know you are still busy with deadlines and all the best for that...

Very nice post indeed...😊😊

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Ankita.11

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Posted: 9 years ago

#245

Wow Jahnavi di,wow!!👏

I was missing your daily episodic analysis...😊

I feel I could connect to today's post the most.I love your dialogue,'when u start seeking answers life changes it's questions' ,but what makes u think like that??

I loved Shiv-Parvati's convo too,specially where he said to reach one's uddeshya,one needs to keep doing his karma

Coming back to your post,I didn't understand the last paragraph.You mean the next time,it will be Sita who will be the decision maker??When?How??

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suppss77

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Posted: 9 years ago

#246

Just wanted to post something about Kaikeyi...she was chosen to be the medium to ask the boons which was ultimately for the greater good of the society. So far in the serial her character being shown as always wanting the best...not settling for any less. Be it a good lady warrior...a good wife ...and of course wanting to be a good mother.

Motherhood is a very challenging role where you become strong and sometimes you become weak. She loved Ram very dearly even more than Bharat in many cases, but she has always pushed Bharat to be par with Ram. One reason that she loved Ram more coz he was the best among four. Kaikeyi also did not settle easily for Sita as she wanted best for her Ram.

She was being manipulated by Mathara for her love for Ram but she felt proud of him...she was manipulated on the name of Kaushlya ...she stood tall...even the vachan gave to her father budged her little. The last blow came when Mathara questioned her mothely love for Bharat...there came out her insecurities. She even felt bad and told Bharat once that "Are you questioning my motherly love".

She felt weak when Ram came in front her for vachan palan but she stood strong even when King Dashratha told her ...he will disown her as a wife.

She felt another blow when Sgatrughan told her...I will forget that you are Bharat bhaiya mother...she felt disowned as a mother. She went to question Sumitra on her son...as look Sumitra your son... but she never questioned Sumitra when she berated her as being a queen or a wife.

Of course Bharat gave her the final blow...and her redemption circled around being a bad mother to her sons and daughter in law...and she will always feel more guilty towards the injustice done to her sons.

I also might be factor that she asked for Bharat to be the king because she wanted to prove the best for her son...to cover up for being called a bad mother to Bharat...

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#247

Originally posted by: Ankita.11
Wow Jahnavi di,wow!!👏
I was missing your daily episodic analysis...😊
I feel I could connect to today's post the most.I love your dialogue,'when u start seeking answers life changes it's questions' ,but what makes u think like that??

Solely my experiences darling 😃. Plus its a philosophical truth. One can't escape it.

I loved Shiv-Parvati's convo too,specially where he said to reach one's uddeshya,one needs to keep doing his karma
Coming back to your post,I didn't understand the last paragraph.You mean the next time,it will be Sita who will be the decision maker??When?How??

Ankita, I have a habit of posing questions. Curse it 😆. Cmn to sita being the judge, I c it at the time when sita goes back to earth. She'll decide her own fate. Her wish will decide her own fate. The setting will be similar like that of dharma sabha. Bas roles will be reversed. Ram won't know where sita would be. He wouldn't know where his kids would be. He wouldn't know what she has to face. He'll then assume the position of bharat and gargi. A person with questions. Luv kush know it. They know everything. About sita. About the kids. About her life. They will assume the position of yagyavalkya and ram. Cmn to decision making, as it was janaka in dharma sabha, someone equal to him has to take the place. That as per me can only be janaki. With knowledge, dharma, neeti She'll take the decision of going back. The decision that was triggered by ppl's suspicion. The decision that may seem to be emotionally driven.
Again this is a speculation from my end. I still don't know if janaka or sunaina will be there or not for final showdown.

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

#248

Originally posted by: suppss77
Janhavi welcome back ...was missing you...I know you are still busy with deadlines and all the best for that...
Very nice post indeed...😊😊

Thanx Supriya.. Juz was a bit bored with everything.. So posted yday 😆

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avalonhigh1234

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Posted: 9 years ago

#249

What an episode...closed my door to watch it undisturbed with a strict request to my children{though they termed it as an order} not to barge in 😊. God Janhavi and Shruthi ,Krishna's leelas' were easier to understand than Ram's maya. He uses everything in his arsenal-Love, Duty, Rules, Traditions, Responsibilities, greater good, to convince Bharat to take on the responsibilities of a king and let him continue on his chosen path. When Bharat is unable to accept the judgement and breaks down like a child ,Ram then challenges Bharat's love for him stating that he loves Ram's form and not his qualities or his principles .If in the sabha it was about a son and a brother, here Ram comes as the father in response to a child's doubts on his very self-identity ,path and duty. Here it was the samvaad between a man and his god. A child's anguish and doubts are dealt with infinite kindness .It is true for us too, when we are mired in doubt ,he comes as clarity of thought! when we are troubled ,he soothes us with his calmness...

Today in the sabha the judge was Rajrishi and not Janak .He represents our highest intellect. Janhavi ,you are right ,Ram and Janak are interconnected. Today perhaps Janak made the most difficult judgement of his lifetime...in preserving dharm...he lost as a father. He knew that today whatever he decided would reflect adversely on all the four of his daughter's lives in some way or another...but he was helpless for he had to be on the side of righteousness. This loop opened today would take us through Ram's unwanted banishment of Sita for his people to her going back to mother earth as a fight for her son's rights. Today Rajdharm lost to a son's determination to fufill his father's promises, in the future Rajdharm would stand above a husband's promise and this sequence would come full circle when rajdharam would be defeated by a mother's determination to demand her children's rights and her sons' promise to restore their mother's honor!

Savita

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#250

@Savitha agree to you. Ram is deep very very deep. I have heard people say you are questioning Ram because you don't understand him. I agreed true I may not understand him. But someone tell me what is Ram because no one has been able to help me satisfy my queries on Ram reason people who told me I don't understand Ram didn't understand Ram themselves. But they copied his actions verbatim telling Ram did this and Ram did that. End result is there to see for all. Many feminists hate Ram the so called Maryada purushottam. Feminists like me always questioned to accept why he is called Maryada purushottam. And SKR did what the patriarchal society couldn't do present Ram through the eyes of his better half. His love Sita because his redemption is only through her eyes. The eyes of the woman who walked every step with him. Who understood why he did what he did. To remove the veil over him so that no Ravan is able to use her husband as a bait to subjudicate woman and no woman think he is not maryada purushottam.

And today the dialogue Ram said are you in love with Ram the person or the idea of Ram, the values he stand for. The question we have to ask the so called Ram Bhakts and Krishna Bhakts. What is your Bhakti. Is it keeping Ram and Krishna on a pedestal and do the pooja and then go and do the very things they stood against. Can the pooja of Ram be done and demand dowry from a girl's family. Can you do the pooja of Ram and kill the female baby in mother's womb. Can you do the pooja of Ram and rape a woman. Can you do the pooja of Ram and protect your criminal son. What is Ram. Do his pooja. But understand him in right sense, do the duty, follow his path. Without the right action no Bhakti is complete. If you make mistake he will show path to correct the mistake. If you are forlorn he will be beside you to show the way. Even if you do crime he offers the path of redemption. But only to the person who surrenders to the idea of Ram these things will be visible.

@ DD I was talking about Karma sabha right. Hope many of you remember when in moral conflict I had told listen to your conscience. Now I guess I can give more clarity on the direction in which action has to be done. As I said action depends on time. And Time has both eternal Prakriti and temporary Sanskriti. In Scientific terms we can call it theory of relativity. Sun is Stationary. Earth is moving. But to naked eye it looks sun is moving from east to west while earth is stationery. But in reality the position of sun is determined by the position of earth at a particular time. So where Sun will be to us depends on where earth is with respect to sun at that particular point of time. So understand the most beautiful maya or illusion of nature is the way sun and earth are viewed with naked eye. We need to know that catholic church had executed Galileo for telling sun is stationery and earth moves because church believed otherwise. So when we think about vision, what is seen to naked eye first thing we should remember is sun and earth.

Now after telling about sun and earth let me tell how they are connected with respect to Sanskriti and Prakriti.

Sun is the eternal Prakriti and earth is the moving Sanskriti. Though it looks to us that it is Prakriti that is changing its colors, it is not. It is the way Sanskriti deals with Prakriti the changes in Prakriti happens. Otherwise Prakriti is constant. It has its own rhythm just like sun rises in east and sets in west. All the climatic changes, floods, earthquakes, tsunamis and natural catastrophes occur because of the way Sanskriti deals with Prakriti. Because Prakriti will always want to move back to its rhythm so if Sanskriti tilts the balance, Prakriti will destroy certain things to bring the balance back and when it happens many Sanskritis get destroyed, or gets replaced or gets changed.

Now how should our action happen. In general terms we have to obey the laws of land and our action has to be based on the sanskriti of the time. But when moral conflict happens it is actually between prakriti and sanskriti. In that case do your action without breaking the law of Prakriti even if you have to break the law of Sanskriti. Because only in that action adharma can be removed. As Sanskriti will be forced to change.

People fear society, traditions etc. Understand they always change. What is constant is Prakriti's laws. Understand it. Never break it. But to protect Prakriti's law if you have to break Sanskriti's law take the action to protect Prakriti's law. Even if Sanskriti doesn't protect you, Prakriti will protect you. Because Prakriti is constant. it is no hypocrite. Trust it and you will be free of fear.

PS: Guys very long post. Hope I am not confusing. Feel free to pose questions if I have complicated things

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