I never wanted to be like my mother- Kaikeyi - Page 2

@Shruthi: Satisfying reply. Thank u dear.
One more, kaikeyi wants her son Bharath to be king (just the first boon), its merely a mother's wish. Yes its selfish, but it can't be adharm know?
The each activity done on the basis of dharma has an adharma was/is associated with it. Then even that dharma becomes adharma know?

Sumitra wants each of her son to be with Ram and Bharath, Laxman went with Ram, all these are dharm but for urmila is it not adharma? So here the selfless dharma turns to be adharma for urmila.

@Ramya wish is not adharma. But when you use the power you have to get the wish knowing fully well, the person from whom you are going to snatch it is actually better suited for the position than your son it has selfishness associated with it and hence becomes adharma. Boon was the power she possessed. It was supposed to be used for dharma, protection, but when the same thing used for destruction it becomes adharma.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ramya wish is not adharma. But when you use the power you have to get the wish knowing fully well, the person from whom you are going to snatch it is actually better suited for the position than your son it has selfishness associated with it and hence becomes adharma. Boon was the power she possessed. It was supposed to be used for dharma, protection, but when the same thing used for destruction it becomes adharma.

Coming to urmila before we tell it is dharma or adharma we have to see Lakhan-Urmila equation. Had Lakhan communicated his first priority to brother to Urmila. Did she became his wife after knowing that. So there are some more factors before telling adharma to Urmila. When Sumitra told be with your brother, she was also not anticipating 14 years vanvass. She did the best thing known to her in the given circumstances. So we will wait on adharma to urmila.

Yes, I agree.

Wat a commendable post shruthi 👏👍🏼

@Suganya: Exactly. This is what my concern is. Dharm is not the same for all and it seems to differ with frame of reference.

Lovely views shruthi

@suganya. You are right. Good and bad coexist just like 2 halves. If anything goes in excess it will become bad and imbalance happens.I am not sure whether you have read Shiva Trilogy by Amish Tripathi. One thing I had liked about the book was that, it describes evil in a beautiful way. I had loved the journey of Mahadev to find the evil though I was quite dissatisfied with the way the book dealt into how he handles evil.

@Ramya,@Shruti ... very interesting discussion.. loved it and shruti has beautifully replied for it ..

Would just put in a few thoughts of mine..

@Ramya .. to your questions ...
Dharma in its generic terms can be seen as the code of conduct or the morality that governs every human being ...in this way dharma is not specific or confined but a way which leads us to better life... and these codes and decorums are essential part of stabilization of any society without which the society will stumble...
we all know killing is wrong .. Theft ,Jealousy all wrong it leads us the path of unrighteousness and adharma in its generic terms...

But hinduism also says the pillairs that governs the dhrama or the foundation of dharma is tapasya,truthfulness,karuna and cleanliness

so when it comes to a soldier or kshatriya who kills inorder to safegaurd his people the very act couldn't be consider adharma ,so then we got each sect adhering to their own codes of dharma ... but it inself create a sort of rigidity like ones sense of duty or honor even took over the base -compassion ...

these are general principles .. but there is also other

the subtlety or sushama dharma ...

lying could be in principle a wrong - which is general truth ... yet to save a life if you would lie.. the same principle couldn't be applied here because if applied it would destroy the pillair on which it stands or the purpose of dharma - compasssion - so here a lie becomes truth only confined to that situation ...


similar principle applies to the positive feelings like honor,duty,love etc,...
to respect and obey the order of a king is a dharma for a protector of the throne as bhishma adhered but when the pillair is broken i.e. when duty overrides one's sense of compassion it becomes adharma too...

and coming to laksham -urmila this is merely my perception...

coming to lakshman's decision though in generic term like abandoning one's wife looks like adharma , if we see it is still based on the pillair compassion ,austerity and truthfulness .. urmila understands this very well and in some texts she even tells lakshmana to take care of them well as its his foremost duty.. the decison urmila take again is also based on these pillairs of dharma..


to your question the answer would be

dharma in its generic terms is above people/situation ... but the application of which dharma (general or sushama ) is based on situation...

Nice Prav. You have given some really good examples. And yes just like laws of physics which are universal, but its various application produces various results positive or negative, application of dharma too vary on situation.

@Shruthi and @prav2: Excellent explanation. Yes I am basically physicist turned to be a biophysicist, so it is not enough for me if the physics laws are satisfied.