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Posted: 13 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf
Brilliant post! You said it better than I ever could!

Agree completely about the fact that this show deserves a round of applause solely for being so unique and just so completely different to what we've seen in the past.

Aamir is the perfect choice as the host of this show. I think we all feel like we can connect with him in some way or another. Superstars in Bollywood have this image built around them that separates them from their fans but Aamir has always come across as a guy who's the voice of the public and I think that was further emphasised in the episode today.

All said and done, Aamir was bang on about what he said in the promos of the show. Dil pe lagni chahiye, dil pe lagegi na toh hi baat banega. I believe he's successfully managed to do that!

Oh word to that bit in bold you mentioned! Yep, I think that was the point, and this episode was successful in achieving that. 👍🏼

Originally posted by: sen_madhuban

did anyone attend to the starting monologue of Aamir in d show...i believe he summed up d purpose of d show...its just soo convenient 2 b a spectator 2 such issues as dey might not b affecting us directly...but sumwhere it does affect us at least indirectly...sumthng like female infanticide actually translates into problems like d disrespct of women in society is a relation i wud have never had made...its his ability to show us d bigger picture dat makes d difference...& i also thank him from refraining from any emotional overdose/melodrama...& he is right it happens right around us...in a metro like delhi...

change or not...but d awareness itself in such a mass scale...can make some difference...as sum1 rightly said on d show...if even 1 life can b saved...its a difference...hats off 2 d team..👏...

P.S.: @ NBTians...great 2 find all of u here...
@ JZ...agree with every syllable of yours...👏

OH WORD to the bit in bold. For me too, the point to think about was how this issue can be viewed in a broader perspective. I think THAT kind of an insight is what makes people care enough. Provides that civic sense and responsibility. Because otherwise, the system in India is such that not enough people care. And perhaps somewhere, there is that tedious view of it all. That cynical view that change is something too idealistic to even think about. But then those stories of that Punjabi village show that if change can happen in a small town, it can certainly happen all around India.

And those stats too were pretty eye opening for me. Ridiculous that these foeticides are increasing every year instead of decreasing!

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I LOVED the opening monologue...Aamir has this amazing ability to connect on a GENUINE level...every bit he mused about was not preachy but makes you think about your life beyond just getting through it for yourself...it makes you think of the part you play in the world as a whole...

My fav. part though has to be the bit when he's writing out 'satyamev jayate' on the sand:

"Sirf hungama khada karna mera maqsad nahin
meri koshish hai ki yeh soorat badalni chahiye

Mere seene mein nahin toh tere seene mein sahi
ho kahin bhi aag lekin aag jalni chahiye"

It just sums up what this show is about and I LOVED how it segued into the SMJ song...and panned to the 'satyamev jayate' written on the sand...what a BRILLIANT opening to the show.

Oh thanks for posting those words Anu. Waisse toh I like that whole paragraph you've posted, but these bolded lines strike out to me even more. Amir's intention is so clear and genuine. I especially like the words, 'Mere seene mein nahin toh tere seene mein hi sahi'. Those words bring about that emotion of being connected. Being connected with our country, our people, with humanity. Like, if I can pass on this inspiration and this emotion to you, then that's something. If we can share this feeling and this spirit, then that's a great start.

Oh and I loved the visual of the beach and the writing on the sand too. A very symbolic and a serene sa visual.

This was a very well put together episode indeed.

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without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf
Brilliant post! You said it better than I ever could!

Agree completely about the fact that this show deserves a round of applause solely for being so unique and just so completely different to what we've seen in the past.

Aamir is the perfect choice as the host of this show. I think we all feel like we can connect with him in some way or another. Superstars in Bollywood have this image built around them that separates them from their fans but Aamir has always come across as a guy who's the voice of the public and I think that was further emphasised in the episode today.

All said and done, Aamir was bang on about what he said in the promos of the show. Dil pe lagni chahiye, dil pe lagegi na toh hi baat banega. I believe he's successfully managed to do that!

Thanks for coming around here and agree with all you say, esp the bit in bold about the difference it makes to have a face like Aamir Khan host something like this show. I put aside all his stardom and performance, and even the elevated perfection - but holding onto just the knowledge of how far reaching and authentic his research is even when he's delivering just movies for entertainment, it compels you to believe that his research in a serious cause would not fall short of the bars he has raised himself! I think it makes you take the whole thing more seriously, when you can believe in all that is being shown and told - without having second thoughts, and somehow, like you said, there are rare other celebrities who inspire that kind of confidence in the audience.

ps: What should I call you?

Originally posted by: -Swetha-
Fab post by u JZee..!👏😳
You hav said every thing abt the 1st episode and the show.. in the best way ever..!👏

Yeah.. Aamir has done full justice as an anchor and producer by bringing forward hard hitting social issues that need to be talked , finding out solution for it , bring the issue out in people's eyes.. so that the public can cajole the govt. to do the needful..!👏

Thank you Swetha - he certainly deserved credit not just for the initiative, but for the most part of the execution as such!

Originally posted by: -Roopa-

Word JZ! and nice to read your thoughts here..😊

I truly applaud Aamir for this..I always admired him for his films, for the issues that were bought out in many of his movies..

but to have a show of this type on TV is totally worth of a huge applause..
people may or may not be aware of many social issues that exist..some are visible but some are not..but they are all equally evil which has least concern for human life..
though one might be aware of them, how many really make an effort to get connected to such evils consciously, forget about trying to take responsibility as a citizen of the country? Bringing such issues to one's living room through a strong media might be the first positive step towards a big change..

Hello back Roopa and good for me to see so many familiar NBT people too! =) Feels less like new territory 😆

I was telling Nur in a PM conversation we had some weeks earlier when SP had just launched the song, that I usually have extreme opinions about Aamir and his work - either REALLY good, or really turned off those few times when he comes across as too much of himself. He's not arrogant, per se, but there's a line he manages to cross sometimes being a little too patronizing in a superior sense.

But very gladly I can say SJ for all its promotion and the first episode airing is the first kind of Aamir project, where I feel full of admiration for him, his motivation, and implementation. I like the A LOT about the show and its making, even the behind the scenes action, becomes very obvious and plain from the way he's showing it - leaving very little or no room to doubt what's happening under the table. At no point does he give the notion of being a selfless philanthropist, but merely comes across as a human being who compulsively thinks time and again about the world he lives in - and has reached a stage in his life where he can actually give consequence to some of the things that bother him, if not personally, than just at a human level. The fact that the whole picture of how this show has been put together seems quite clear makes me feel comfortable about endorsing a cause oriented show as a genuine one - which is not something I personally manage to do often enough.

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without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: AreYaar
Brilliant post as always, Jzee...the show overwhelmed me...made me cry, made me think and ultimately it brings about an AWAKENING as you said.

I love how all of it was done in a non-preachy manner...and covered a gamut of emotions and thoughts for the issue...you are horrified by the extent to which human beings can fall, you are touched by the spirit of some ppl, you are saddened by the stats, the numbers but then there is still a beacon of hope somewhere despite everything...

Like you said, the meticulous research shows...cuz they've covered EVERY aspect of the topic without making it tedious...first the stories, then the perpetrators, then the ACTUAL logic behind HOW this started...then the CONSEQUENCES of where this is all headed...then a call for an AWAKENING...to finally a beautiful and moving song with the metaphor of a tiny bird being cajoled to come out and spread her wings and fly again.

What is most striking about what Aamir is attempting to do here is trying to target the SOCH...the THINKING of a nation...cuz that is at the base of everything...it's not like shows on social causes haven't been made before...there's been talks shows which have forums discussing all kinds of things...but this show isn't just about talking and having shouting matches about an issue in the name of "debates"...it's about ACTUALLY taking an issue and cutting to the core of it...and making the nation as a whole ACTIVELY start to think about the fact that they are not isolated and every issue grows to a point where it affects the nation as a whole.

Ultimately the SOCH is the biggest issue facing the nation...the rest is extraneous...the SOCH is the root...and that is what Aamir is trying to target and that is what makes his effort so worthy of accolades and applause.

The show can grow into something truly amazing in terms of movements and I'm quite intrigued to see how and what other topics will be brought forth.

So like I said in half a line Nur, I had my contentions with some bits - but I am truly and duly impressed with just having this show, and platform, and far reaching message.

And referring to the bit in bold - everything is about the idea. Contrary to what the invited doctor on the show said, I have absolutely no faith in any judiciary or law or prohibitions or restrain systems in outrooting a practice as deeply tangled into the very roots of a system. Yes, it may curb. Yes there may be a loud and clear message sent out. Yes Korea managed a change, as did Nawashehar. Yes China managed population control with strict implementation - but in the end, what you cannot kill with all these means is the thought, the idea, the soch.

And that is where the show comes into play as something that can ACTUALLY work. There is no killing a thought, once it has been sown. One can only hope to replace it. With something bigger, better, and even more convincing. And replacing an idea is what needs a minimum pedestal such as this one. When the government - legislature, judiciary, executive - of a country sets out to change things, they go with social propaganda. But what really makes a mark on people at large is giving a cause a face - and a face like Aamir Khan IS big deal. Add to that the fact, that Aamir and his teams execution of taking up a cause and showing ALL its facets in as much complete light as they can has been SO simplified that it becomes easily comprehensible for any strata of the society while at the same time becoming FAR more hard hitting than it would if it were represented as a convoluted beyond understand sort of issue. That he breaks it up into a step at a time, deals with the explanation in such a fundamental way is what, I think, really goes that extra mile in nailing the point.

What he's doing in the process, is evoking a "counter idea" to a widespread and deep rooted already existent idea. Like that doctor said about the inception of this whole gender detection technique in the 70's, even when the fallout was realized, it was too late because damage had been done. What was the damage? The idea had been sown. And Aamir's project is a launchpad for the counter idea - NOT preaching against a practice, but simply showing fact for fact - and sowing the idea of alternatives, fallouts, et al.

And for that - whatever other contentions I may have - the concept deserves all the applause. The effort and making of it at such a big level, the involvement of SERIOUS money - kudos to Aamir to make something like this happen beyond just a thought, to evoke only a wave of new thought! 👏

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without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: sen_madhuban

did anyone attend to the starting monologue of Aamir in d show...i believe he summed up d purpose of d show...its just soo convenient 2 b a spectator 2 such issues as dey might not b affecting us directly...but sumwhere it does affect us at least indirectly...sumthng like female infanticide actually translates into problems like d disrespct of women in society is a relation i wud have never had made...its his ability to show us d bigger picture dat makes d difference...& i also thank him from refraining from any emotional overdose/melodrama...& he is right it happens right around us...in a metro like delhi...

change or not...but d awareness itself in such a mass scale...can make some difference...as sum1 rightly said on d show...if even 1 life can b saved...its a difference...hats off 2 d team..👏...

P.S.: @ NBTians...great 2 find all of u here...
@ JZ...agree with every syllable of yours...👏

Madhu - thanks for coming by, and even more for making mention of that beginning prologue which was truly - like you said - well summed up. I personally don't think it needs for a social service streak in you to be awakened to look at the big picture and its multiple sad aspects. As Aamir said, we all read news. We all hear about things. Occasionally come close to experiencing them mildly or worse. But even if we don't feel the direct brunt of it - even if only for a nanosecond, we all read/hear/see those instances which startle us. However momentarily, or in the lasting. They startle us not because we don't know that they happen - but because experience of senses is another thing, that manifests "knowing".

But what happens after? For the most, the moment passes, we move on. And the question is why. Like I said, I personally don't believe we're necessarily unmoved by or insensitive to the cause because it doesn't concern us directly - but the when you think about looking at the unfortunate business that happens in the world around us, everything suddenly begins to look VERY complicated, very tedious, and for the most out of our reach. We counter our feeling impulse with the simple retort - what can we do about it after all - and let it go. Because when you just look at the face of the problem, it is THAT MUCH MORE incomprehensible and convoluted for you to bypass it and move on with your life.

And that is where something like this show, once in the rare while, comes along and changes something. The capability of an outreach of this level is truly evoking a conviction that things which look VERY complex, are at the end of the day a step at a time process, and can be dealt with just like that. That the idea is not aiming for an overnight 100%eradication of an evil - the impossibility of which usually keeps us from even trying - but in transforming our own thought process, and spreading that change. And everything at that simple first level, begins with us. We start bringing a conviction in our thought that counters a generic notion, and then work on consolidating it in and around us. It moves like a wave that collects strength along its wave before the final crash!

And having mentioned the wave - back to the prologue, which was beautifully shot 😊 And even more beautiful in its essence! 👏 The kind of beginning one needs to mark for a show like this!

ps: Yes, a bunch of NBTians do know how to find each other... birds of feather flock together much?! 😆

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: MR21
Brilliant post JZee!!!
Still I had to catch up with the episode 😔...Not sure when I can watch it 😭...only good thing being able to view StarPlayer and official YT links of SMJ in India!!!

Thank you Ramya. I personally struggled with finding online links in vain, until Nur gave me some - every other thing seemed blocked in my region... including SP original uploads.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I LOVED the opening monologue...Aamir has this amazing ability to connect on a GENUINE level...every bit he mused about was not preachy but makes you think about your life beyond just getting through it for yourself...it makes you think of the part you play in the world as a whole...

My fav. part though has to be the bit when he's writing out 'satyamev jayate' on the sand:

"Sirf hungama khada karna mera maqsad nahin
meri koshish hai ki yeh soorat badalni chahiye

Mere seene mein nahin toh tere seene mein sahi
ho kahin bhi aag lekin aag jalni chahiye"

It just sums up what this show is about and I LOVED how it segued into the SMJ song...and panned to the 'satyamev jayate' written on the sand...what a BRILLIANT opening to the show.

Okay, I was stuck on two very whimsical things in this bit - you can totally laugh them off, because whimsical underrates my points 😆

For one, in the 4th line of that verse, I thought he was going to say aag sulagani chahiye... and for honestly NO reason I can explain, I kept thinking, jalni ni, sulagni chiye 😆 But off my entirely ineffable "why" it should be so, the lines were beautiful, the meaning as much, and the picturization, gorgeous!

Another thing - I have NO idea how or why I spotted it, much less why I was looking at it for several seconds before having to rewind that bit and hear what he was saying - that's how much "the sun" in the shot below distracted me ...

I just kept thinking for some seconds, how the sun had that crown like odd outline 😆 Can anyone explain and put my whim to rest? Yes, I know, I'm silly as it gets, sillier than they come - and seriously, how was I even looking at the sun instead of hearing him talk? I dunno. I must be a very distracted soul 😆

But on s serious note, thanks to Madhu to bring a mention of the prologue, it was subtle and powerful to say the least. Aamir's delivery of the monologue was perfection.

Originally posted by: poojawal_Pooja_
Wow!! Lovely post each and everthing described in he best way! Thanku for this post:)
You got it right! Aamir did true justic to this show and I cant think of any one else anchoring this show wih so much passion and so much determination
Aamir ILU ❤️

Thanks Pooja 😳

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without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: pigbelly4myfeet
JZ! 🤗 Missed you yaar, how've you been...I just watched this with my parents and I was so excited to see a post by you on this forum! lol

And Anu, et tu! Everyone's here man! 🤗

Pallo 🤗 Yaar tum gayab hi hogayi!!! Yes, yes, please catch up on NBT and show your face on the Nurey adda already - your input is greatly missed!

And wow you guys are like all NBT-fied in your sigboxes too. lol This is making me want to catch up ASAP.

Anyways, I totally agree with you guys. I was also very overwhelmed watching this episode. Wow, hat's off to Amir for conceiving and bringing about a project like this.

JZ, I think the word you used- TEDIOUS is SO the word. Thinking about these kinds of issues has just become tedious for all of us now. I think we've become impassive to these issues now. It has become so common and so accepted. That awareness, that emotional connect, that sensitivity, that seriousness and the reality of these issues has become blurred somewhat.

So in undertaking a project such as this one, I think a major accomplishment for Amir is just getting people CONNECTED again. Like Anu, said, just making us FEEL and THINK about these issues is a feat in itself. In bringing about dinner table discussions, online blogs/discussions/vidoes/opinions...Amir might just be able to reach out to the public and increase the awareness required to bring about some kind of a change. Because it all starts with an inspiration. A thought in the right direction...

What I liked was that broader view. The problem isn't just that this is happening...the problem is that desensitization. Becoming so detached to our society...becoming disconnected with what makes us human. I liked how Amir had that insight and perspective to make people CARE on some level. There has to be SOMETHING in that episode that each one of us can take away with us. Either a story, a stat, a voice, a visual, an emotion, an inspiration, a song, a tune, or even just a word. Whatever makes you care, because this episode had some food for thought to appeal to everyone I would like to think.

And the point wasn't even so much as educating I think. Though that's very important as well. Because I think, that what this episode portrayed wasn't exactly brand new information either. But the way it was presented, it just makes you reflect...even if it evokes no other emotion from you. This kind of a show makes you reflect on the kind of society you live in, and it makes you reflect within yourself too. It's the question of WHY should I care about this. That's what Amir reflects upon in his opening monologue too. It's that thought of wanting to reach out in way that inspires people, makes people care enough to cause a change. Or atleast a reflection of some sort.

I loved that story of that Punjabi village and the change they've brought upon. So inspiring. I just really liked the range of emotions portrayed in this episode. From extremes like human cannibalistic behaviour, emotional blackmail and manipulation, corruption, and an untrustworthy healthcare system...to inspiration, hope, activism, realistic results and actual change happening, encouragement and scope for creativity. Even the ironic humourous touch with all those 35 plus bachelors. You know, it just makes you reflect on SO many levels...

The ridiculousness of it all in some way...how have WE created such a system. A vicious cycle where feminine empowerment refuses to happen. The idea itself of not wanting a female child because of the challenges our society puts out for women. The rape cases, the objectifying, the trade, the fear of it all. But then, these practices that keep this cycle going. A girl child isn't preferred, but then this preference itself is what is feeding this cycle to continue on. Once again, I liked the bigger picture shown in this episode. This isn't just an isolated issue. It's an entire faulty system that WE have created. And so, it is US only that can bring about a change. It's about providing that broader wisdom to inspire us enough to care just a little bit.

And that song in the end was just a brilliant touch. Once again, a final attempt at getting through to everyone. And those visuals of all those girls during the song. It was super touching. What an amazing piece of music, and the lyrics. I love that singer too, Swanand Kirkire. I think he has such a soulful voice. Just the visual this song provided. Like Anu said, of this free bird. A tiny bird that may seem unimportant and insignificant, but it has SUCH a potential to touch your life in a beautiful way. A potential to prosper your home, your soil, your roots, your life. Just a subtle and a humble request to let the bird fly. A small attempt to reconnect ourselves to that humanity.

Like you said JZ, I don't have the heart to criticize this show either...just because of that idea. The fact that a superstar like Amir undertook a project like this and moved me in this way. Made me think, and made me FEEL so much. I think that's the point of a medium like television after all. 👍🏼

So I REALLY like all you've said, but esp word to the bits in bold.

Desensitization, the perfect word, you use for a general acceptance of such practices. I referred in my reply to Madhu, how it is not about never feeling even a momentary sting upon hearing of instances or such - but the fact that the whole problem, and then a range of MANY such at that, seems like such a complex picture - that the "sting" is never push enough to make us actually methodically reflect upon the matter, much less consider input into its resolution.

And that's what Aamir - very convincingly and successfully I think - ventures into. Making us SEE the problem, each stage in the making, and then the resolution, each stage in the making too - most importantly establishing the fact that the role we can all play, as individuals, is as basic and as effective as beginning with ourselves in changing the existing thought process. And to have taken such an initiative to such consequence as Aamir and his team have is phenomenal all in itself - enough to bypass any odd contentions we may bear looking into the technicalities! In the end, disagreement about aspects is not the problem - the aspects and problems and issues themselves have to be first of all raised to that spotlight where a debate or discussion can even ensue about progressing with it! And Aamir brings much awakening and consciousness to a generation of desensitized people, as you say - no small feat! 👏

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-Aarya-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#17

First of all let me command you on your words, they are simply brilliant. Your words are intriguing and truly hitting the core of what the show (Aamir) is expecting from the audience (unite people for the causes discussed on the show)…

It is a war on baby girls, the women who undergo sex determination tests and abort on knowing that the fetus is female are actively taking a decision against equality and the right to life for girls. In so many cases, the women are not independent agents but merely victims of a dominant family ideology based on preference for male child. There are many things which can be done to raise the value of girls, encourage female education; abolish laws and customs that prevent daughters inheriting property and make examples of hospitals and clinics with impossible sex ratios!

The show definitely highlights the most serious issue that is bothering the country, but the real question is what's the outcome...

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hindu4lyf

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Posted: 13 years ago

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@Pigbelly4myfeet: It's great seeing you here and it's always a pleasure reading your detailed posts. That's one of the things I miss about the DID forum!

That's exactly what I liked about the show too. It wasn't just depressing us with the statistics and real life stories but it also showed what was being done about the issue in several places in India and I think that's what makes the show stand out. Everyone has something or another they can learn by watching the show. That can either be in the form of an interesting statistic or the will to never let that happen to their loved ones.

@without-fathom: Hey! The name's Dia! :) I take it you're known as JZ around here?

Waise was I the only one who got emotional just listening to Aamir's monologue at the start? Maybe it's silly of me to compare the show to a fictional movie but I felt he successfully managed to awake the feelings of every Indian in RDB and he did so again in Lagaan and he's doing it once more in Satyamev Jayate. The monologue to me was his way of saying 'power to the people' and indirectly making every Indian aware of the responsibility they have in society. Those few lines summed it up perfectly.

P.S. The sun probably only had that outline thanks to camera effects! lol

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: -Aarya-

First of all let me command you on your words, they are simply brilliant. Your words are intriguing and truly hitting the core of what the show (Aamir) is expecting from the audience (unite people for the causes discussed on the show)'

It is a war on baby girls, the women who undergo sex determination tests and abort on knowing that the fetus is female are actively taking a decision against equality and the right to life for girls. In so many cases, the women are not independent agents but merely victims of a dominant family ideology based on preference for male child. There are many things which can be done to raise the value of girls, encourage female education; abolish laws and customs that prevent daughters inheriting property and make examples of hospitals and clinics with impossible sex ratios!
The show definitely highlights the most serious issue that is bothering the country, but the real question is what's the outcome...

Thank you Aarya. 😊 And the bit in bold really sums up my post. While there are all the modes and means of bringing about awareness, what I was looking for when I sat down to watch the show were signs of having an outcome here. And my post thus, was more about why and where I thought the show could make a difference... I think to a large extent, Aamir and his team have taken in account bringing about some real consequence - not by promoting action, because that can always be ephemeral and partial - but in bringing about a change of "thought". The idea is what needs to be plucked out from the root, and replaced by one that is bigger, better, and more convincing - and coming from the agents of this level, it makes more difference than much else could!

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Neeta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#20

It's pretty good start, and I'm happy that Aamir is hosting this show because now important and relevant issues have a chance of being communicated to everyday audience. Hopefully his star power will carry this show to every household and people will then appreciate it for it's content.

However, a show like Crime Patrol has already achieved what SJ has only just aimed to. It has richer content and a better screenplay, but no Aamir Khan to host. Nevertheless, I hope this show does well and reaches out to a wider audience.

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