Restructuring Saregamapa for 2006 - Page 20

Originally posted by: ab_srgmp

Why is this not a sticky anymore?

Interesting topic. Initially, I thought this was a pointless discussion, but if you have sent this link on to them, maybe they might get some ideas.

Some ideas:

1. Voting should be separate for Male and Female. (I would have also voted for Nihira if this had been in place)

2. In the initial rounds there should be a ranking system based on certain fixed criteria e.g. voice quality, range, sur/taal. This should determine who goes up against who in each round. Lowest seed vs Highest seed (like in Tennis), and so on. Otherwise we lose Abhijeet to Debojit. Abhijeet should have definitely been in the top 12 (and top 3).

What do u think?

I am a little confused. Say there r 10 contestants and they r ranked 1,2,...,10 based on some fixed criteria as u mentioned. so r u saying that the arrangements r something like this: 1 Vs 10, 2 Vs 9, 3Vs 8,... and so on ultimately (theoretically) leaving the top 5 to compete against each other?

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Originally posted by: friend17

I am a little confused. Say there r 10 contestants and they r ranked 1,2,...,10 based on some fixed criteria as u mentioned. so r u saying that the arrangements r something like this: 1 Vs 10, 2 Vs 9, 3Vs 8,... and so on ultimately (theoretically) leaving the top 5 to compete against each other?

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Right.

Originally posted by: ab_srgmp

Right.

Then I think there is a problem. Say some1 of rank 10 goes up against some1 of rank1. If they already know what ranks they hold, then the lower rank contestant will most likely be short of confidence before even their competition starts. That's half the battle lost right there.

any suggestion to avoid this? Maybe if the ranks r not revealed to the contestants, then maybe it somewhat (not entirely) takes care of the problem. I say "not entirely" because it's not impossible to read the patterns of the contestant arrangement (strong vs. weak) after a while.

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Well, maybe the contestants don't need to know their ranks, as u mentioned. So how is the lower seed to know whether he is the lower seed or the higher seed?

Maybe the seedings should be done in the audition stages?

Hmm, sounds a little too idealistic. To expect discreteness from all involved. 😕

But if this weeds the contestants down to the top 10, it should be free game from that point. At the mercy of public voting...

Well, in tennis, the players know their seedings yet play their best, sometimes the lower seeded players upset the senior ones.

I don't think we should worry much about the contestants being aware of their seedings and so on. They should just go on the stage and give their best shot.

Maybe SRGMP should introduce coumselling/meditation for the contestants to over come the tremendous stresses that this show involves!

Originally posted by: punjini

Well, in tennis, the players know their seedings yet play their best, sometimes the lower seeded players upset the senior ones.

I don't think we should worry much about the contestants being aware of their seedings and so on. They should just go on the stage and give their best shot.

Maybe SRGMP should introduce coumselling/meditation for the contestants to over come the tremendous stresses that this show involves!

true, but i'm still not comfortable with the fact that the contestants step into the arena knowing beforehand what's expected of them(higher ranked 1 is expected to win and the lower rank 1 is expected to lose). it may not be a big deal, may be they should introduce conselling (by the way, were u sarcastic when u mentioned this if u don't mind me asking? 😉) but in my opinion the conditions should be such that the contestants don't feel the pressure that a specific result is expected out of the competition. It need not be that the weaker contestant feels the heat. the stronger contestant knows that more is expected of him/her and the stress can affect his/her performance. I somewhat felt that in this competition Abhijeet was a victim of high expectations - usually his performance on first day was superb and on the second day was not as good (well, HR was after him since Aishwaria got eliminated so that could also have been a factor...)

I would rather prefer eliminations in the audition round (more rigorous to raise the bar if needed) in the traditional way and the top pick can be judged by a panel of judges. even if public voting is allowed, still some music judges should contribute to the elimination process.

That's my opinion only. maybe I'm not able to articulate my point well enough 😳

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Friend17, you are extremely concerned about paticipants performing badly on account of expectations/pressures etc. That shows your sensitive side. No I am not being sarcastic at all. I always felt that meditation should be a part and parcel of these contestants' routine, else they will be blown away by all the hype and publicity and left with croaking voices.

For audiences viweing pleasure, I think it would be great to watch the seeded players competing on stage rather than this taking place in behind-the-scenes auditions.

Yes, Abhijeet succumbed to pressure. Remember how the yellow card used to have different effects on different people. Some would get determined and sing so much better after getting a yellow card while some would not. That is why our character is so important in determining our future!

Originally posted by: punjini

Friend17, you are extremely concerned about paticipants performing badly on account of expectations/pressures etc. That shows your sensitive side. No I am not being sarcastic at all. I always felt that meditation should be a part and parcel of these contestants' routine, else they will be blown away by all the hype and publicity and left with croaking voices.

For audiences viweing pleasure, I think it would be great to watch the seeded players competing on stage rather than this taking place in behind-the-scenes auditions.

Yes, Abhijeet succumbed to pressure. Remember how the yellow card used to have different effects on different people. Some would get determined and sing so much better after getting a yellow card while some would not. That is why our character is so important in determining our future!

As for my concern for the participants, I really cannot work under a lot of pressure (trying to getting used to it though) and I think that I am far more productive when less is expected of me. So subconsciously I put myself in their position and try to feel their state of mind. but that's only me and I'v come across people who in fact work much better under pressure.

for all your other points, I agree.

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Originally posted by: punjini

This concept of regional voting really baffles me. When a majority of people from NE vote for Debo, majority of North India votes for Vinit and majority of South India votes for hema, it is very clear that quality of singing is the last thing on the minds of the people. Irrespective of how a singer sings in any particular round, the people of his state will keep voting for him. How does this benefit the cause of music? Where are the connoisseurs of music?

hi punjini

yes, i too feel the same..all ur points r good...i hope some1 can really bring these changes.

for me the most imp thing, multiple voting must b stopped. and as anurag mentioned, that red-green meter should be used as tool for judging. actually the audience should b able to see the meter. so, thr wont b ny confusion or ny bias!

Thanks Pams309, I was told by some people that the meter wouldn't really be so effective. It is actually difficult for a meter to discern what the human brain can.

In the end, it is all about what appeals to a person's taste. We are just trying to arrive at a formula by which the final winners are the ones who are both technically perfect and have mass-appeal.