The Clash Of Ideologies, Civilisations & Cultures - East V/S West.

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Posted: 21 hours ago
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So, I’ve been ruminating about the episode aired yesterday and the scene that was my focus was definitely the one with the 3 Virani brothers. At surface level it was Kiran giving some unsolicited and in his opinion, some well meant advice, a few words of wisdom to his older brother after observing him and his bhabhi since his arrival.

Hemant’s eventual arrival at the scene obviously changes its tone and it goes from a one on one conversation to an argument pretty quickly.

Mihir is caught in the middle of the two brothers, both of whom are advising him to not pay heed to the words of the other. The scene ends with Mihir eventually left alone with a lot of feelings, frustration & confusion.

The scene was brilliant IMO and I am actually surprised that the writers were able to make some kind of allegory about the state of things with Mihir caught in the middle of the discussion, as the SUBJECT of discussion himself while his two brothers were giving their opinions to him and arguing over what his fate and future should be.

Mihir here was a representation of India as we see today - caught in the middle of a discussion, a dispute, a debate - as the SUBJECT himself.

Kiran, the brother who once grew up with Mihir, who betrayed Mihir by kidnapping his son Gautam and fleeing their home, the brother who was pardoned and who yet again stays away from home is back and based on his observations of the events in the family and particularly the way Mihir is behaving towards Tulsi nowadays, thinks he knows the best course of action to go ahead for his brother - divorce.

Hemant may not necessarily stay at the Virani house all the time as well but he’s more aware of the situation than Kiran is, who knows there are problems between his bhai and bhabhi but is unsure how to solve them - partially because his own brother is being daft about reality staring him in the face despite being clearly warned in as many words as possible but with no concrete evidence to expose Noyna at hand and partially because he’s trying to protect the woman he dearly loves and respects from yet another heartbreak - his bhabhi Tulsi.

Kiran tells Mihir his children are grown up and married or about to be married; so he doesn’t have to suffer unnecessarily even for their sake in a marriage that makes him unhappy. Kiran has some thoughts regarding Mihir and Noyna, though we aren’t sure what they are and probably neither is he. All he has are a few observations based on interactions between 3 people over the past few days and his immediate plan is to end the relationship. No discussion, no understanding of the situation and thinking that children once grown up are no longer gonna have any kind of reaction or at least suffer from the announcement of a divorce between their parents.

Hemant on the other hand talks about Kiran’s advice being wrong completely because A) Kiran has not had a successful marriage himself and B) his decision is quick and involves no chance of mending ties, of understanding what went wrong and trying to fix it by hearing out the grievances of both the people involved in the marriage.

Kiran here essentially plays the role of the OUTSIDER, and I don’t mean it in a negative or a derogatory way but just as a label.
Yes, he may look like one of us, but he’s that distant cousin or uncle or acquaintance or just some NRI or someone whose ancestors may once have been from this land but who himself is as foreign as he can be - in thought, in action - where it matters probably the most.

It takes no time for Kiran to advise Mihir, as Hemant even taunts him, you’re yet to recover from your jetlag but already think that you are best suited for the role of an advisor and think you know what’s best for our brother already. Obviously displeased at being called out, Kiran wastes no time in reminding Hemant about the distinction between them - that he, Kiran, is Mihir’s biological brother (whom he addresses as Mihir BTW there not as Bhai or Bhaiyya) while Hemant, who has grown up with them in the same house, who is ACTUALLY living in the same house as Mihir even now and has been for longer than Kiran certainly, must not forget that he’s a cousin.

Doesn’t this sorta remind you of the supremacist attitude of those who leave this land and think because they are now living abroad, in what they and Kiran himself yesterday, call countries that are a 100 years ahead of our country, and therefore they must know better because duh… they probably earn more, live in bigger houses than the average Indian and are fluent in English or some other foreign language.


The likes of Kiran will essentially consider themselves as qualified and appropriate for the job of advisors based merely on where they happen to live, perhaps be born.. and since it’s NOT India or the Indian Subcontinent, they obviously are better. They will think it’s better to end relationships, pay alimony and think children can handle themselves once they’re old enough; based on the western culture they become a part of but will never consider the ramifications of the very actions that they advocate to India and Indians, based upon the consequences and state of things in Western societies.


For instance, the rampant gun violence in the US, the rise of drug culture amongst the western youth, the growing mental health crisis, the lack of family support for the elderly, the rising crime rates and the growing horror of the grooming gangs that are no longer a secret of the once powerful British society, the interracial tensions and the sheer explosion of racism aimed at Indians in particular off late.

Hardly will you ever hear someone who falls into the same category as Kiran, ruminate over the failings of the western collective as a society because they are so fascinated by the scale and opulence of the lifestyle.

I don’t know how the team of the show intends to take this forward but I commend them for the effort and attempt at nuance and commentary on the societal dynamics between the two opposing sides.

I will give them this - in the whole scene, Kiran made one good point - of not equating mere mortals (particularly poorly written fictional characters) with the likes of Prabhu Ram & Maa Sita or Mahadev and Maa Parvati, two different kinds of manifestations of the divine that teach about what a relationship should be like and what it is to be so in love with each other.

The idea is never to consider ourselves as being like them but learning from them and hopefully being blessed by them.


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Posted: 21 hours ago
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I feel they did a good job actually showing the conflict in thinking.I was happy to see some actual dynamics between men and not just women fighting in kitchen

Kiran was showing the same signs and he was giving the vibe that Just end it by observing TuHir for some days whereas Hemant is aware what is actually going on and he is more like lets try to fix before ending it.

Kiran might be a NRI but he showed the real side of Sagga and Sautela in just few minutes which exposed that NRIs living in white society too are having this backward mentality

I feel this scene showed how flawed even NRIs are and they are not as modern as it seems

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Posted: 19 hours ago
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Originally posted by: A_Star39

I feel they did a good job actually showing the conflict in thinking.I was happy to see some actual dynamics between men and not just women fighting in kitchen

Kiran was showing the same signs and he was giving the vibe that Just end it by observing TuHir for some days whereas Hemant is aware what is actually going on and he is more like lets try to fix before ending it.

Kiran might be a NRI but he showed the real side of Sagga and Sautela in just few minutes which exposed that NRIs living in white society too are having this backward mentality

I feel this scene showed how flawed even NRIs are and they are not as modern as it seems

Yep it was refreshing to see Kiran being back was finally put to some use and wasn’t just hanging around as an ornamental extra.


I don’t remember seeing the Virani brothers fighting much in the show, at least this generation. Karan and his brothers did fight but these ones rarely did. The only instance where I remember Mihir even arguing with a brother was when Kiran was back post the first leap smiley36

So yeah, it was refreshing and also realistic. No family can claim that they have never fought.

Kiran showed his elitism as well as Western influence all in a short span. I really want to see what they do ahead with his character. Will he be unintentionally used as a puppet by Pari and Noyna or not.


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Posted: 19 hours ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Yep it was refreshing to see Kiran being back was finally put to some use and wasn’t just hanging around as an ornamental extra.


I don’t remember seeing the Virani brothers fighting much in the show, at least this generation. Karan and his brothers did fight but these ones rarely did. The only instance where I remember Mihir even arguing with a brother was when Kiran was back post the first leap smiley36

So yeah, it was refreshing and also realistic. No family can claim that they have never fought.

Kiran showed his elitism as well as Western influence all in a short span. I really want to see what they do ahead with his character. Will he be unintentionally used as a puppet by Pari and Noyna or not.


Agree i liked the fact they also showed arguements of men in the family rather than kitchen politics

I feel this season is actually exploring nuances in certain topics rather than illogical Arcs for feminism that actually ruin femisim(the upmaa durga roop avatar)

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Posted: 19 hours ago
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although i disagree with kiran advice to mihir to divorce tulsi in show

i definitely feel kiran avdvice is better in real life

india is one of the most unhappy country in happines index

these so called western countries which have high divorce rates are way more happy in life than anyone in india

european countries, canada and even usa is way more happier humans than any indian or most asian countries in world

most indians and asians just act happy or ok in public inside their homes lot of abuse and voilence goes on

you ask any married woman - most will say in private husband abuses or hits even in 2025

the same cannot be said of european or usa married woman they wil not tolerate abuse for long and divorce and leave because their society is wayy more accepting of divroced woman and they have high finnacial freedom that indian and asian women do not have

only 23% indian women have jobs after finishing 10th std too forget uneducated women most are dependent on money for father or hubby or son etc all life as they do not get jobs

same way you ask any kid in private they will say they are hit and abused by parents

same cannot be said of europe, canada, usa etc

usa has way more voilence because ppl can buy guns like grocery

if india allowed ppl to buy guns like grocery may be we would be like usa only in voilence by kids

lot of anger and resentment is there inside ppl against family, parents, boss, siblings, spouse etc which they hide all life and swallow the pain in india and asia

western country you need not swallow such pain, abuse and live 50 years as someone wife or kid full life just to show happy family outside in public

USA is an extreme violent country because they allow guns to sell like grocery in shops not because they are individual society and all have freedom to live as per will

india and most asian countries are not even in top 100 happy countrys of world

If india or asians is so happy everyone would not be busy trying to get h1b visa to usa or residence ship to europe by hook or crook even by illegal means which are high in divorce rates

divorce rate are high does not mean country is bad its just that ppl do not want to live in unhappy marriages and kill each other fighting everyday of life making kids and their life helll like asian countries or where women compromise and face abuse everyday of married life just to keep a marriage official in public

Edited by myviewprem - 18 hours ago
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Posted: 18 hours ago
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Here are some Asian countries with rankings below 100 in the 2025 World Happiness Report:

Myanmar (115)

India (118)

Sri Lanka (125)

Afghanistan (147)

  • read happiness index report in google

The top 30 happiest countries in the 2025 World Happiness Report are: Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Israel, Netherlands, Norway, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Mexico, Kuwait, Austria, Canada, Belgium, Ireland, Lithuania, Czechia, United Arab Emirates, Germany, United Kingdom, Belize, Poland, Taiwan, Uruguay, Kosovo, and the United States


happiness index was created by bhutan king in 1970s

its done by uno in recent times

it was created to show without material wealth or world class facility too ppl can be happy

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Posted: 18 hours ago
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Originally posted by: A_Star39

Agree i liked the fact they also showed arguements of men in the family rather than kitchen politics

I feel this season is actually exploring nuances in certain topics rather than illogical Arcs for feminism that actually ruin femisim(the upmaa durga roop avatar)

Same. It’s a sign of how bad things are that watching something as serious as brothers arguing in a TV show is seen as refreshing.

But I would much rather have this than watch dumb bhoot crap or worse, Pari.

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Posted: 18 hours ago
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Those indices are all tools.

What is their credibility? Who knows what their data size is? Does anyone know if they’re actually even talking with real people?

Can you compare the data sample of a country with the size of India and then compare it with say a country with the population size of say Maldives, Bhutan or Brunei?


Such indices also show India is one of the hungriest countries in the world whereas India provides free ration for its citizens and they can easily get it if they want. India is one of the biggest exporters of food. So I don’t buy their nonsense.

Also, how do you even measure happiness? What is the definition of happiness? Does happiness mean the same thing for everyone? How many people have they talked to? How often do they ask these people these questions? What is the authenticity of their data size? Which official government agencies in the world are endorsing their data? Which credible and eminent personalities from the field of mental health and human behaviour studies are associated with them?


Their data is as accurate and reliable as Mihir’s intelligence is.

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Posted: 14 hours ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Those indices are all tools.

What is their credibility? Who knows what their data size is? Does anyone know if they’re actually even talking with real people?

Can you compare the data sample of a country with the size of India and then compare it with say a country with the population size of say Maldives, Bhutan or Brunei?


Such indices also show India is one of the hungriest countries in the world whereas India provides free ration for its citizens and they can easily get it if they want. India is one of the biggest exporters of food. So I don’t buy their nonsense.

Also, how do you even measure happiness? What is the definition of happiness? Does happiness mean the same thing for everyone? How many people have they talked to? How often do they ask these people these questions? What is the authenticity of their data size? Which official government agencies in the world are endorsing their data? Which credible and eminent personalities from the field of mental health and human behaviour studies are associated with them?


Their data is as accurate and reliable as Mihir’s intelligence is.

The data is created by Western countries to make Indians feel inferior

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Posted: 14 hours ago
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Originally posted by: SlatePencil

The data is created by Western countries to make Indians feel inferior

Exactly. Those indices always discriminate against us and show the western countries and their allies doing great regardless of what the reality is.


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