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Posted: 13 years ago
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OK if Ovi wants Purvi to go away why cant she herself take her hubby and go away?I mean why tell Archana to ask Purvi to go away when Ovi can go back to Canada with Arjun.I know they didnt plan on staying in India so why doesnt she book tickets since she is so insecure and flight the hell away from Purvi.She knew rite from the marriage that Arjun loves Purvi.What did she think that her model looks will capture his heart?One doesnt fall in love with loooks alone but that person's character.Ovi maybe beautiful in her world but her character has been ugggly.I mean talk about a self centered and conniving girl.She is truly Savita's granddaughter.She can talk sweet and butter to Archana and everyone else but that doesnt change the fact that she is disrespectful and only care for her own feelings with blatant disregard for others.Everyone may forget her deeds caz now she acts like Miss Goody two shoes but that doesnt change her real face and character.Ovi is such a hypocrite and i really hope she suffers in this loveless marriage.She made her bed so she will lay in it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: bee5



I am too late to IF today.
Looking at the number of pages this thread has got, I am sure a lot of people might have already said a lot of things.
Anyway, here is mine and only on Ovi:

I still see 1 positivity in this and that is - Ovi still hasn't left her selfishness.
I never accepted her baseless demands, reasoning and her behavior before and today I disliked her even more, and for me this is for keeps.
She is the heights of selfishness and selfcenteredness.
I don't care how much she cries or how much she tries to make her marriage work. I will always believe this marriage is based on deceit and I will never accept it.
And the positivity for me is - That she remain this selfish and undeserving always!

So, what if Purvi accepted her deal, requested Arjun and he accepted, not one single person has told Ovi that she was wrong, bcos this entire thing happened only because Ovi wanted it.


Thanks, Bee. Exactly my point..She is the barbie doll that everyone pampers and protects and no one has the guts to tell her to her face, what she did was wrong totally till now. This has to be done forceful enough so she atleast gets it. What she does after that, is a different issue. But, so far, other than gentle reprimands, that do not even touch her, in any way, no one has made her face the reality of her deeds. I do not expect anything to happen to her marriage, because of it, but Ovi baby needs to face some harsh truths. Even if Arjun and Purvi fell for it, she is the main catalyst for this disaster, and that fact cannot be disputed by anyone.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ameilia

OK if Ovi wants Purvi to go away why cant she herself take her hubby and go away?I mean why tell Archana to ask Purvi to go away when Ovi can go back to Canada with Arjun.I know they didnt plan on staying in India so why doesnt she book tickets since she is so insecure and flight the hell away from Purvi.She knew rite from the marriage that Arjun loves Purvi.What did she think that her model looks will capture his heart?One doesnt fall in love with loooks alone but that person's character.Ovi maybe beautiful in her world but her character has been ugggly.I mean talk about a self centered and conniving girl.She is truly Savita's granddaughter.She can talk sweet and butter to Archana and everyone else but that doesnt change the fact that she is disrespectful and only care for her own feelings with blatant disregard for others.Everyone may forget her deeds caz now she acts like Miss Goody two shoes but that doesnt change her real face and character.Ovi is such a hypocrite and i really hope she suffers in this loveless marriage.She made her bed so she will lay in it.



because she is NOT sure if Arjun will come with her now.. No confidence in that. She can manipulate Archana and Purvi through her, but not Arjun in this regard. That is why..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I dont want to curse Mentally Unstable person...PERIOD !

[coz ovi is getting on my nerves]
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Posted: 13 years ago
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because she is NOT sure if Arjun will come with her now.. No confidence in that. She can manipulate Archana and Purvi through her, but not Arjun in this regard. That is why..
I was so mad when i saw her in today's episode.How much more will she asks from Purvi.Someone posted she was a leech.She is definitely one caz she is just sucking the life out of Purvi.This girl has no feelings for others and this will be her downfall.I really dnt see Arjun falling for her PERIOD.She only sees wat she wants to see and no one in that family is doing anything abt it,They helped her packed her bags and send her to the delusional world of so called marriage with abundance of love falling from the sky.I am glad Archana told her to stop.Enough is enough and that Ovi doesnt understand.She will definitely learned the hard way and then one day she will say herself that she wants out.Everyone has a breaking point and Ovi will face hers maybe not now but in the future,
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Lovely post and amazing analysis. I must say that the posts and character analysis in this forum is the only reason I know what is happening in PR of late.
Coming to the whole Ovi wanting to send Purvi away scene - why does Ovi think that sending Purvi physically away is the solution. It's not that Arjunand Purvi have been secretly meeting each other, they are not colleagues either yet so what will Ovi achieve if Purvi is not around?
Purvi reigns in Arjun's heart and mind - you can't erase all that just by the lack of physical proximity. The basic problem with Ovi is that she doesn't (yet) understand what it means to love someone and that love is more the longing of one heart for the other. Isn't that exactly what Archana-Manav's relationship is portrayed as?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jhumpai

Lovely post and amazing analysis. I must say that the posts and character analysis in this forum is the only reason I know what is happening in PR of late.

Coming to the whole Ovi wanting to send Purvi away scene - why does Ovi think that sending Purvi physically away is the solution. It's not that Arjunand Purvi have been secretly meeting each other, they are not colleagues either yet so what will Ovi achieve if Purvi is not around?
Purvi reigns in Arjun's heart and mind - you can't erase all that just by the lack of physical proximity. The basic problem with Ovi is that she doesn't (yet) understand what it means to love someone and that love is more the longing of one heart for the other. Isn't that exactly what Archana-Manav's relationship is portrayed as?


If she gets that, then this situation would not be as such..more so the pity.. Yes, that is how Archana Manav relationship is protrayed as and has lasted through the years of separation.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jyothi my dear,

I should not be doing this, but it bothers me to see you fret yourself to flinders like this (and I can always tell myself I will make up for this to my poor wrist by posting nothing at all over the weekend!)

First of all, I loved your post, which is so full of suppressed rage and frustration that it would make anyone reading it feel at one with you. But I am not 60+ for nothing. So let us take a cooler look at things, and see where we get.

Let us forget about Ovi for now, for it hardly matters what she is like, or how she behaves or pretends - none of that is going to change anything. Let us just take Archana's response to Ovi today, and your critique of that @red, especially the part in bold.

You are not being fair to Archana. She did not ask Purvi to do this idiotic thing, or Arjun to go along with it in an even stupider manner. She was aghast when she heard of it, and she slapped Purvi and berated her and cried all over her about it.

But now it is a fait accompli. Be sure of one thing - no matter how much she loves Purvi, Archana would NEVER think of Arjun divorcing Ovi and marrying Purvi, nor would she condone it. Neither would DK. I can understand this stand perfectly. A marriage is not a game of musical chairs, and the bond of marriage is not a Kleenex tissue, to be thrown away at one's pleasure. Neither Arjun nor Purvi was a minor, nor was he forced into this marriage at gunpoint, while as for her, she engineered it, with NO concern for his sufferings, for reasons of her own. Both of them have made their respective beds and they now have to lie in them quietly, till (or if) the CVs see fit to bring them together again through some more contortions.

Now, proceeding from this, what else would (or should) Archana want now except that the situation should settle down all round ?

She would naturally want Purvi -who after all ditched Arjun out of her own free will - to move on in her life, and stop mooning about him. If Purvi did not want to be miserable (and to make us miserable as well) she should have thought of that before dumping Arjun and forcing him to marry Ovi. Now it is too late to change anything as far as Purvi and Arjun are concerned.

If you think that Archana should prove her love for Purvi by praying for the collapse of the Arjun-Ovi marriage, then I am sorry but I do not agree with you at all, and neither would most people my age. What is the point of all three of them being miserable for keeps? And how would Arjun and Ovi being stuck in a hostile marriage help our sanskaari Purvi? In fact she should feel vindicated and morally uplifted if they do settle down eventually!

So, from Archana's point of view - which is that of a mother who loves both her daughters, one of whom has, out of sheer folly, gifted away her lover to the other - the best way forward now would be for Purvi to move on in her life, and for Arjun to become reconciled to his marriage with Ovi. which is a given that cannot be wished away now. What she advises Ovi to do fits into this framework. So there is no justification for blaming her on this count at least.

In general, Jyothi, there is no point in our fretting because things in PR are not going our way. I have said before, and I repeat - there is nothing good to be expected for the present, and even if the Arjun-Purvi duo do get married eventually, it will be a washout for me at least. The endless flashbacks of the Arjun-Purvi scenes are irritating and soulless for me now; all their meaning has been leached out.

My advice to you,for what it is worth, would be to watch PR if you like, but not to react to the goings on, and above all not to work yourself up in this fashion. I hope your BP is on the low side, but please try and avoid such heart-burning.

My wrist is protesting loudly, so I must stop now. See what all I do for your sake!😉

Shyamala


Shyamala excellent,balanced,practical post👏⭐️👍🏼
i think ovi may b evil girl but now she is ovi arjun kilosker nobody can deny it.purvi-arjun took their decision themselves.ovi proposed same thing to archana she didnt accept it so why purvi accept bc she prefer her aai's happiness than to b wife of arjun so she has to face it.arjun also marreid ovi for purvi's request so he is trying to accept it.there r lots of marriage where husband/wife had love affair with someone else but after marriage they fall in love their wife/husband.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Jo darling, as promised here I am. I was trying to read all the posts first. I got as far as page 6 and decided enough is enough (I will of course go try to find all our girls' posts as they are on here too..but I better get this out first)...
So here is my take. I know...I have all but disappeared from the Forum and FB. Its been really really busy and I havent been able to be on as frequently as I was before.
Well on to my take on things. It is obvious that Ovi has not changed. She is still after her own ends. I do not have any sympathy for her for being unable to make what she wants out of her marriage- nor do I think she is any "good" or "coming around" for making an attempt. Purvi is villified for not caring about Arjun's feelings: neither does Ovi...for she is far worse. Nobody is excusing what Purvi did to him----least of all me. The fact is though that Purvi did it for her mother while Ovi did it for herself. 2 facts here: Purvi felt an immense burden of guilt...though everybody under the sun tried explaining to the silly girl that it had nothing to do with her, she became convinced that her marriage to Arjun, and her daring to have a happy life with him was going to make her mother's life more miserable. It was not true and utterly ridiculous...but the girl was convinced and nothing or noone could convince her otherwise. She was utterly sure that her marriage was the cause of her Aai's continued separation from her family...and no amount of explanation was getting through to the stubborn girl...
I want to address all those "Ovi turning good, kumbaya, soften me up" Ovi being sweet...To me this does make all the difference-----Purvi did not do it for her own happiness...she did it for her mother's. Again, I do not and will never forgive Purvi for doing what she did...It was stupid, foolish, and the consequences are a given and she does have to face them---there is no other way out of that. But Ovi is far far worse...her motive was purely selfish and self-centered...her deal was for noone's happiness but her own.
Now let us look at the facts of things. First of all, I've heard a lot of arguments that nobody put a gun to Arjun's head, and Purvi coldly did this herself. The 2nd part I 100% agree with...it was cold-blooded to the core, and utterly ruthless...though I am an ardent ARVI fan and will not lie...I do want them together...but I dont think I will ever manage to feel the same about Purvi again. I just cant. Even if they do reunite, part of me will always feel it.
2) Arjun-Ovi. Where you all are getting the impression he is softening towards her is beyond me. If I were her I would be more frightened by this nonchalant attitude of his than I would be if he was angry, frustrated, upset, or even cold to me. At least these emotions are emotions...depicting some kind of feeling. This detached, polite Arjun would chill me to the core were I in her place...and she is no fool. The very fact that she feels so threatened proves that she recognizes this and is very scared---rightfully so because she has every reason to be. Arjun may not mistreat her, but neither does he care enough about her to invest any more emotion on her. He said what he had to say in yesterday's episode: promptly and very honestly squashed her hopes that he would forget Purvi. Not melodramatic or over emotional: very plainly and clearly says the truth...he will probably never be able to love anyone like he loves Purvi...and as to forgetting her...he doesnt know if he will be able to or how long it will take. This would scare me more than an angry..."I will love you forever" retort. For it is brutal honesty...in the most sincerest normal manner...which is the most coldly detached at all. From what I read of today's epi: chalk it up to being barely off and on PR and the forum in general...that from a purely objective standpoint that is also loud and clear to me. Ovi tells him Teju said they were to go and open the gifts. The difference is clear. If it was Purvi, Arjun would be leaping up to go with her and sharing in her enjoyment of opening their wedding gifts. With Ovi, in the same polite, detached manner...tells her to go ahead and go to her Mom's and have fun.
That polite detached manner is far scarier than any other scenario...and it obviously about does Ovi in. To the point where she is trying to convince her mother to send Purvi away! Again, purely selfish.
3) Archana and Ovi. I agree with Shyamala on this one. There is no way Archana is going to do anything other than what she did...and it is what any mother would do. She is actually employing my own "Archuism"...for life..."strength to accept the things I cannot change". Does she agree or condone what happened...absolutely not!!! That is obvious. But what can she do? It is too early for her to advocate breaking up the marriage. She knows the dilemma she is in and can see the pain of both her daughters---from the WU that seems to be clear to. I do not at all blame her for guiding Ovi to try to make the marriage work...it is also her subtle way of telling Ovi...you chose a very underhanded means to separate two people in love and force one of them into a relationship with you. It is in fact Ovi she is telling...not Purvi...you made your bed and you have to lie in it.
Ultimately Archu in her heart knows the truth and what will eventually happen. Her reasoning about Arjun/Ovi's friendship saving the marriage is completely wrong and just the words of a desparate mother trying to give her daughter something to work with as there is no other option in her mind now. But the fact is what it is: Ovi and Arjun's friendship before, when solid and sound, and not tainted by bitterness, was clearly not enough to make him fall in love with her. Those of you youngsters out there who thought this was Ekta's way of showing us that Arjun will soft...just because of Archana's words to Ovi...I ask you this: When the friendship, at its best, was not enough to make him fall in love with her before, what on earth, for God's sake, makes it any different now? Now that same friendship is completely ruined because it is marred by bitterness, selfishness, and suffering. Maybe it is a desparate hope on Archana's part to utter the words...as a mother she had no recourse..but they were immediately negated by her prayer the minute Ovi leaves. Archana knows this is not going to survive...but this is not a casual fix that she can reverse. You can take away a person's possessions, freedom, even their life...but 2 things you can never take: 1) their heart...2) their mind. They own that and it completely belongs to them. You can never control a person's thoughts or feelings: the heart is not a light switch you can just turn on and off. Remember that.
Coming to the conclusion: blasting Purvi for grieving and touching the picture of a married man??? Really??? Seriously??? That "married man" is married because of her in the first place...and he belongs to her...not Ovi. Again, you can control a person's body but not their heart or mind. I know of plenty of people who were forced into marriages. And yes, I can and will used the word forced. True, nobody physically dragged him or put a gun to his head. But let me tell you something folks: emotional blackmail is the sickest and cruelest way to "force" someone...and is far more effective, damaging, and permanently traumatizing than any physical act. There is nothing more coldly effective and calculating than that.
I have seen countless cases. One prime example. My friend's roomate was "forced" into an arranged marriage with a girl whose family his parents, and his dad in particular, were very eager to forge an alliance with. He was from India, but was living in the US. The irony was he was also dating and very much in love with a friend of my rommate...who used to live with her. His parents kept calling and kept up the emtional blackmail to the point where they threatened suicide (hmm...oh yeah...just like the CC...now i remember where that sounds familiar)...everything from these kind of threats, to wheedling, cajoling, persuasion, etc. Now they were in India...nobody put a gun to his head, and nobody physically dragged him anywhere...they were thousands of miles away physically. But emotionally it killed him.
Long story short: he went to India and went through with the marriage...but you can guess how the story ended. He married her alright..and on the way to their "honeymoon" informed her that he never wanted this, was forced into it, and had no intention of accepting her as his wife. He would not go near her and would not even make an attempt to be at least in the least conciliatory. He dumped her back in India and proceeded on to the US. In the meantime...after seeing him marry someone else...the girl he loved had given in to family pressure and married someone her parents had chosen too... He actually came to the US but had a project somewhere else so he lived there. Once my friend's roomate came back from India, they promptly started their affair back up again...they eventually finally left each of their respective spouses and ended up marrying each other. To this day they are still happily married. The selfish motives of their parents not only caused them a heartache/trauma that they will never be able to forget or completely recover from, it also utterly destroyed two other innocent lives that did not deserve it. You know who suffered the most though in all this: yup, you guess it...the parents who did this in the first place. They truly did.
So those of you who are heartless enough to say Purvi doesnt have a right to grieve over Arjun or touch his pic are wrong. I would not call him a married man in the true sense...It is clearly unwilling and unwanted...and is a farce of a "marriage"...he said it himself on Purvi's doorstep that day. He may be forced to live with her...so she has claimed his physical presence...his body if you will...but she has no claim on his heart...he doesnt have to give it to her, and he will not. If his and Purvi's relation is marred by this whole thing, how then, by the same reasoning can anyone not assume his and Ovi's is marred any less---if not to the point that what friendship they at least had is irrevocably and completely ruined.
Granted, what Purvi did was wrong...and she is already paying the price. Just because Ovi emotionally blackmailed Purvi, who in turn emotionally blackmailed Arjun into marrying her...does not mean she should be rewarded with a happy marriage. Ovi did this for her own selfish motives...if Purvi did not care about Arjun's feelings or the pain she was subjecting him to, neither did Ovi...who clearly knows Arjun's feelings and the depth of those feelings for Purvi. When Purvi is already paying the price: what makes you think Ovi then gets to escape? Oh no...my friends, like in the example I listed above, divine justice and karma happen to us all...noone can escape.
Ovi absolutely can and will pay a terrible price for this too...we havent seen anything yet. There is no escaping it. I feel sorry for Archu...deep in her heart she knows this...but does not know what on earth to do about it...except try to keep encouraging her to somehow get to a point where then coexist and make it work. She knows the futility of it...hence her plea and despair immediately after her own advice.
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Janhvi,

I know the doctor said no typing, but just 2 lines? Well... 4 in fact. Please? I am still rolling in the aisles about the dhobi in the street having risen into the sanskaari middle class. Tell me how that is done and I will send you all the dhobis in Pune for this Great Class Migration. This apart, SUPERB post, very well complemented and supplemented by .para 1 of pp29's response.

Shyamala

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Mandy, superb post, I agree on all points.

Firstly about Archana, as a mother I can understand her reluctance in ruining one daughter's marriage to restore her other daughter's right to that happiness. It is like when 2 of your children want the same toy and fight over it, after one hands her doll to the other, you can chastise the other for being mean, for wanting what did not belong to her, but the fight is over as one child willingly if sorrowfully gave the toy away. If it were a toy, it would behoove the mother to take it away from both or to give it back to the first. Unfortunately, the toy here is a living being and more unfortunately we have all the sanctimonious rites tied to giving the toy away (do rites make a marriage? one can rightly wonder). Her motherly hands are effectively tied, but and this is a big but, in my opinion, Archana needed to have reprimanded Ovi for doing the wrong thing followed later by the advice she did give Ovi. Glossing over what Ovi did smacks of wearing an eye-patch when it is not needed or as Jyo puts it Archana is afraid to rock her boat of new found happiness. She is human and the child (Ovi), evil or not, has just now turned accepting of her.

You have said it all where Arjun, Purvi and Ovi are concerned. Idiots 3 they are, Vishnu will be like a breath of fresh air when he arrives next week, unsullied by love/infatuation/obsession call it what you may. That spring in his step, that twinkle in his eye should suffice to blow away the blues that envelop the D household.

Jyothi, I do not want Purvi to pursue Arjun, he will scoff at her and make her feel humiliated for giving him away. Or do you want her to pine for him openly as balm to his wounded ego? If she does that, she will be looked upon as a home wrecker, she will not be able to face her sanskari Aai or baba. Arjun needs to set things straight with Ovi first, talk to her, make her understand that he is not for her, no more talk of how long will this take, and then once his marriage is behind him then you can want/expect Purvi to pursue him when he is single again. Yes, I understand and bemoan with you that Purvi forced him into this marriage but he is an able bodied adult, he could have said no and not been led like a bhakra to slaughter. As Shyamala said elsewhere, they made their beds and have to lie on it. Even if one of them chooses not to, they have to singly unweave the tangled mess they have created together.

As for Purvi, less said about her the better. She is turning out to have zero brains between her ears. If Ovi comes a begging to her (which she will, never fear), Purvi will agree to marry Rane or whoever is ready to have her. Of course, Ovi will be doing this just to "save" her marriage, justification enough for who would not want to save her ill gotten gains? Purvi will not hesitate to throw her life away yet again to keep her mother's life wrinkle free. It won't be Archana's fault as it will be Purvi's decision and Purvi is an adult. Parents should not interfere in the lives of their children, children learn from their own mistakes (hint, hint, only Savi dear has that license to meddle in her son's life), so idiotic Purvi should keep jumping into the well repeatedly, she has not learnt the lesson, once bitten, twice shy. She will marry Rane or the dhobi on the street to get out of Ovi's way and happily lead a middle class sanskari life with sanskari children with a sanskari man in a sanskari middle class chawl. Her sanskari middle class mom turned millionaire wife/mom will pat her and bless her absent-mindedly but proudly and quickly return to her spoilt non-sanskari OvAr grand kids. Serve Purvi right for being an orphan, for having been adopted, for carrying a mammoth chip on her shoulder.

Ultimately, all will be well with the D kids, biological and adopted, all of them would have gotten what they wanted - Aai's happiness, baba's acceptance, Ken's love, aaji's sukhi. "aai's in sasural, all is well with the world (apologies to Browning).

Just my POV 😆

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