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Originally posted by: meandwho

That’s native language not first language. We literally have mark sheets with first language English second : whatever you pick.

Why do I have to read this essay on colonial mindset, I didn’t say anyone is inferior for not knowing English.

My opinion was simple, your language skill should be comprehensible where you live

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You don't need a fake accent to be understood. In fact, we often make fun of people with fake accents.

Originally posted by: WhimsicalMind

Aamna is embodiment of all that is wrong with women

https://youtu.be/i9HuuPTYTsc?si=0ZRgweuDglswvR7c

What rehabilitation can be there for a man who beat his wife like that? What is this thinking? How many chances are these men supposed to get? The message of this drama is that she shouldn't have given him a chance

No i think she said he should not get a chance as husband ,she was not framing it well

IMO Hassan deserves the punishment for his act but at the end if it's all about mental illness then they should show he got better and started living normally after treatment , miles away from Zara

They should show how wrong the grandma was to get him married, rather than treatment for mental illness ,it's not just trauma it's mental illness

But even i was shocked at the way she was saying that ,she said Hassan is not toxic 🙄

There is no way Zara should go back to Hassan even if his illness needs cure,it should be his grandmother taking the responsibility

Originally posted by: blahblah131

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You don't need a fake accent to be understood. In fact, we often make fun of people with fake accents.

Why did you need to fake your accent?

It's ironic that someone who once claimed Ayeza Khan isn't suited for glamorous roles due to her English skills is now lecturing others on having a "ghulami mindset". Yeah act all sanctimonious when it suits..

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Your definition of "First language" is not correct. First language is the language that a person has been exposed to from birth, It is not related to the languages taught at school. For Pakistanis, it's either the regional language or Urdu. English kahey nahi aatey.

Uff, I've tried to explain this so many times. I'll repeat myself for the nth time: Desis think that people who speak English with perfect native accents are superior. Why don’t Polish or Dutch people think that way? They value their own languages above all. It's because they were not colonized by English-speaking people who considered themselves superior to the native populations. Some native people have adopted this mindset and are still suffering from a colonial hangover.

Your mindset will change once you travel abroad and interact with people from other cultures

USA is around 20% Hispanic and 15% of the population speaks Spanish. You’ll see Spanish translation underneath everything in the US. You’ll even see 10 languages and translator options if you want to do something basic like picking up meds from a pharmacy. It baffles me that where English IS actually the first language, even those people have consideration and respect for the diversity present in the country and cater to other language speakers.

Yet so many desis still stuck in the same mindset of hawww hayeee look how he/she speaks English We are are own worst enemy humain kissi aur ki zaroorat hi nahi hai.

Urdu/Punjabi/Sindhi and provincial languages are first languages in Pakistan. You are right. Even in government schools lots of subjects taught in Urdu. English is its own subject. Depends on the school if it teaches other subjects in English or not. Most private schools do.

Originally posted by: Aaaaaaa77

No i think she said he should not get a chance as husband ,she was not framing it well

IMO Hassan deserves the punishment for his act but at the end if it's all about mental illness then they should show he got better and started living normally after treatment , miles away from Zara

They should show how wrong the grandma was to get him married, rather than treatment for mental illness ,it's not just trauma it's mental illness

But even i was shocked at the way she was saying that ,she said Hassan is not toxic 🙄

There is no way Zara should go back to Hassan even if his illness needs cure,it should be his grandmother taking the responsibility

What he did leaves no room for improvement, she said he was not toxic and the whole point of his redemption was that the victim didn't die, victim would have been dead in any other circumstance, she is alive because of medical science not restraints on his part, it is not like he was calculative in his approach, I don't understand what was she trying to say

Even during Tere Bin's last episode, she asserted that Murtasim molested Meerab and it is okay because she loves him? This woman needs to see a good therapist because she has a platform yet she continues to say the worst possible thing

Originally posted by: meandwho

Why did you need to fake your accent?

hmm, it says English is taught as a primary language. If I search for boryani on google and it returns me results of Biryani that does not mean that the spelling of biryani changed to boryani.

Originally posted by: meandwho

Wasn’t English compulsory and regional languages optional. I find it hard to trust you. Maybe if someone else can chime in with more info on first language in Pakistan schools.

who said anything about superiority? I said it doesn’t sound good enough to communicate if she stays there. How did you bring all the inferiority complex and superiority complex from?

I think we might be using first language differently. First language means mother tongue language. What you grow up speaking at home. The language that you think in.

Like this is my English language speaking trajectory.

I was born in an Urdu-speaking family. My parents, relatives, neighbours all speak to me in Urdu in my formative years.

I was first introduced to English as a subject in kindergarten. My kindergarten teacher spoke Urdu with us to communicate though or simple English sentences (stop, don't do this, stand in line, sit down).

From grade 1 to grade 8, I went to an English medium school, but it mainly served middle class families. It was a very good school and was at one time a school for elites, but by my time, very few elite families send their children there. All the subjects were taught in English. But when we spoke with our teachers or with each other, it would be in Urdu mainly with some English in the mix. Only teachers we (were forced to) speak in English with were my English and History teachers (who were relics of my school's golden days). All this time, I was an avid reader and had developed very good English writing and reading skills, but I was not that good in speaking English fluently or understanding English when spoken fast or in a different accent. Even with all of this, I would say my English was still better than 99% of my peers in my school.

I then went to a very fancy school high school which catered to elite bacchas mainly. All teachers spoke English and 90% of the kids also spoke exclusively English with each other. My close friend circle were people with whom I spoke with in a mix of Urdu and English. My English speaking skills became better during this time, and I tried to de-paindufy my accent, but I was still very conscious about speaking English. I even developed a stammering problem at this time (freshmen year) because I used to be terrified of being called up in class and speaking English in public. The funny thing was I did English elocution in my old school but that was rehearsed and practiced so it was easier.

I did not become fully comfortable in speaking English until I moved to the US. Even then I would first think in Urdu in my head and then translate in English. It took me many years after coming to the US to start thinking in English.

So you can still be studying English since school and may not be as comfortable with speaking English like a first language unless you are immersed in an environment where English speaking is more common.

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Originally posted by: blahblah131

hmm, it says English is taught as a primary language. If I search for boryani on google and it returns me results of Biryani that does not mean that the spelling of biryani changed to boryani.