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Originally posted by: meandwho

Nah, I believe in practical life, most of us had English as our first language. I dont get the comment of British slavery, when you also follow the system they laid out

Literally, no one in Pakistan has English as their first language. Is it different in India? If you think that people who can speak perfect English with native accents are superior to others, that's a slavery mindset. Google it—there are dozens of articles about it. It's about time we came out of this inferiority complex.

PS: Someone reported my comment and it got moved to the vault. Tsk tsk

Aamna is embodiment of all that is wrong with women

https://youtu.be/i9HuuPTYTsc?si=0ZRgweuDglswvR7c

What rehabilitation can be there for a man who beat his wife like that? What is this thinking? How many chances are these men supposed to get? The message of this drama is that she shouldn't have given him a chance

Originally posted by: Orphic

Speak in Urdu in PSF when you are watching & discussing Urdu shows .

No language is superior over others but English is a globally spoken language. Whether you think it’s slavery or not you communicate in it anyway.

I'm repeating myself here: I have no issues with the English language. My issue is with the notion that people who speak perfect English are superior to those who don't. This mindset is a remnant of the colonial era. When the British invaded the Indo-Pak subcontinent, they considered themselves superior, and some of the local population adopted this belief. This mindset persists today, as people still value those who speak perfect English over others who may be equally intelligent but speak a different language or have an accent.

I work for a company with employees from many different countries, and no one cares whether you pronounce words perfectly or not. I've only observed this behavior in desi people. Why is that? Perhaps because the British ruled us and not them.

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Literally, no one in Pakistan has English as their first language. Is it different in India? If you think that people who can speak perfect English with native accents are superior to others, that's a slavery mindset. Google it—there are dozens of articles about it. It's about time we came out of this inferiority complex.

PS: Someone reported my comment and it got moved to the vault. Tsk tsk

In Pakistan, people who speak English as their first language are very likely to be burger bacchas. I know some people like this from school who probably only ever spoke Urdu to their drivers/cooks/maids/nannies/gardeners/guards.

However, these days, upper-middle-class or professional-class non-burgers feel the pressure, too. I have a cousin in Karachi who is a doctor, and her husband is one too. Neither are burgers. Both of them have been speaking to their children in English from the time they are born so they can better fit in the fancy school they want their kids to go to years in the future. My mom gets mad at me because I refuse to indulge my cousin and talk to her kids in English. And the only reason my mom gets mad at me is because she thinks my cousin will think I don't have good English, so that's why I'm not speaking to her kids in English

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Literally, no one in Pakistan has English as their first language. Is it different in India? If you think that people who can speak perfect English with native accents are superior to others, that's a slavery mindset. Google it—there are dozens of articles about it. It's about time we came out of this inferiority complex.

PS: Someone reported my comment and it got moved to the vault. Tsk tsk

who said anything about superiority? I said it doesn’t sound good enough to communicate if she stays there. How did you bring all the inferiority complex and superiority complex from? Just looking for a topic to write an essay on?

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

In Pakistan, people who speak English as their first language are very likely to be burger bacchas. I know some people like this from school who probably only ever spoke Urdu to their drivers/cooks/maids/nannies/gardeners/guards.

However, these days, upper-middle-class or professional-class non-burgers feel the pressure, too. I have a cousin in Karachi who is a doctor, and her husband is one too. Neither are burgers. Both of them have been speaking to their children in English from the time they are born so they can better fit in the fancy school they want their kids to go to years in the future. My mom gets mad at me because I refuse to indulge my cousin and talk to her kids in English. And the only reason my mom gets mad at me is because she thinks my cousin will think I don't have good English, so that's why I'm not speaking to her kids in English

No offense to anyone but yeh kafi pathetic mindset hai humarey logo ka. People from my parent's generation are the same to this day.

Originally posted by: blahblah131

I'm repeating myself here: I have no issues with the English language. My issue is with the notion that people who speak perfect English are superior to those who don't. This mindset is a remnant of the colonial era. When the British invaded the Indo-Pak subcontinent, they considered themselves superior, and some of the local population adopted this belief. This mindset persists today, as people still value those who speak perfect English over others who may be equally intelligent but speak a different language or have an accent.

I work for a company with employees from many different countries, and no one cares whether you pronounce words perfectly or not. I've only observed this behavior in desi people. Why is that? Perhaps because the British ruled us and not them.

Your points are completely valid. Ghulaami mindset exists and is a problem. Even intelligence is somehow confused with how well a person can speak or write English. It’s absurd.

However I do think today English was never even the issue in the original post. It was just an excuse to drag Yumna again since the fixation knows no bounds. Aaj ka topic English tha Which also, again, makes no sense. Have you heard everyone else in the industry? Like what even? She’s one of the few who can actually speak it comfortably. Just yesterday their friends called out their daily pettiness regarding Yumna but there’s no cure for the obsession. Better to ignore

It is sad that in the aim to drag someone down people just end up looking bad themselves. Quite unfortunate.

Ab yeh bhi ker do report

Originally posted by: meandwho

Wasn’t English compulsory and regional languages optional. I find it hard to trust you. Maybe if someone else can chime in with more info on first language in Pakistan schools.

who said anything about superiority? I said it doesn’t sound good enough to communicate if she stays there. How did you bring all the inferiority complex and superiority complex from?

Your definition of "First language" is not correct. First language is the language that a person has been exposed to from birth, It is not related to the languages taught at school. For Pakistanis, it's either the regional language or Urdu. English kahey nahi aatey.

Uff, I've tried to explain this so many times. I'll repeat myself for the nth time: Desis think that people who speak English with perfect native accents are superior. Why don’t Polish or Dutch people think that way? They value their own languages above all. It's because they were not colonized by English-speaking people who considered themselves superior to the native populations. Some native people have adopted this mindset and are still suffering from a colonial hangover.

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Your definition of "First language" is not correct. First language is the language that a person has been exposed to from birth, It is not related to the languages taught at school. For Pakistanis, it's either the regional language or Urdu. English kahey nahi aatey.

Uff, I've tried to explain this so many times. I'll repeat myself for the nth time: Desis think that people who speak English with perfect native accents are superior. Why don’t Polish or Dutch people think that way? They value their own languages above all. It's because they were not colonized by English-speaking people who considered themselves superior to the native populations. Some native people have adopted this mindset and are still suffering from a colonial hangover.

Your mindset will change once you travel abroad and interact with people from other cultures

Why do I have to read this essay on colonial mindset, I didn’t say anyone is inferior for not knowing English.

My opinion was simple, your language skill should be comprehensible where you live

The thing is even if English is a compulsory subject in most of the places,it is not spoken by everyone going to that school

There is a difference between spoken English and writing examination for English subjects.

English if not ones first language,requires a lot of practice

Not everyone is confident to speak in front of others because of fear of being judged.