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Posted: 7 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: arshisfan



You know I have no problem if Neil tries to pacify Avni, even if she gives him some tough time due to her hurt and expectations but for her growth and for their relationship she needs to introspect, it's not like I don't feel Avni deserves to be treated like a princess, actually this girl deserves to be happy, as I always say undiluted happiness with no cloud, she deserves to be pampered and she deserves to heal and to forget or at least be over her past scars.


So my point here is not what Avni deserves, and yes she deserves an explanation and an apology from Neil for what he did, she can be angry at him for not telling her, but I want her to understand the contribution of her impulsiveness and past record in breaking "practical" promises in Neil's decision! And most importantly her contribution in getting herself trapped! I mean u hold a gun and u point it at someone while u don't even have permission to carry a weapon and then when something goes wrong u wonder why!!! Ok Mishti was the most important person for her then and she wanted to save her, but how is pointing a gun at a person carrying the child and who is near a cliff and threatnening to jump off it if u don't stay away, can help in getting that person calm down, as far as I know when someone threatens to do something that fatal and when uperse a child is involved, you should put the gun down, and not start a countdown!! in these situations u don't take such risks! you try to calm the person in front of u, so if something happened then even without Vidyut's intervention, Avni would be still responsible in part for it!

What I want to say is that if you don't get to learn something from your experiences then they are of no use because you might make the same mistakes once again if you don't understand where u went wrong. She went wrong not when she left evidence behind her but when she put herself in that situation at first place due to impulsiveness as despite the situation being difficult it wasn't a matter of life or death and it's not like Mishti's parents' would have killed her, she could have waited!

Whether we have a past or not, we are answerable and responsible for our actions, our past and pain might at most be used as an emotional argument to make our punishment less or make others understand where we come from but it doesn't absolve us. Sad but true!



This is very true about Avni.
I have mentioned this previously too, she is majorly responsible for the predicament she is in.
Her impulsiveness is the death of her, and she needs to introspect once this mess is sorted out. It will indeed be a path of realization for both AvNeil.
However, taking just present context, I just don't want Neil to utter bitter words for the heck of it, which from inside he doesn't mean but puts it forth verbally nonetheless. Because later on I am sure, he won't be shown actually apologizing for these bitter words. If he does, I will be more than happy. That's all.

Like, the damage has already been done. There's no point for Neil Khanna to rub more salt on to Avni's wounds.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#62
For me the episode was good.

Avni's first reaction when she saw Neil was hurt, tears welled up in her eyes. This is the first time in 6 months, Avni is seeing the only man she has ever loved, she was emotional, that's her first reaction cause it came from heart. The rest what followed was a facade which her brain told her to follow as this was the same man who has put her in jail without believing in her, betraying her love & trust. She became indifferent to his existence. The only time she reacted when Neil questioned her or tried to instigate her through his words. Otherwise she tried to be oblivious to his presence.

I didn't expected Avni to react the same way with Neil the way she did during earlier times whenever they had conflict of opinions as for her this is not her loving husband anymore, he is an officer to her who thinks she is a convict accused of murder. This is not the same Avni we have seen 6 months back, a lot has changed. She is more calculative now, she knows how to control her anger and emotions. She reacted only when he directly taunted her about not taking advantage of being ACP's wife.

As for Neil, I am not able to connect with his emotions. I understand that he wanted to keep the facade on in front of Avni but why will you try to instigate her unnecessarily, when you know she is probably trying to escape cause of being falsely accused . He is talking about not breaking law but he himself is doing so by "BEING NEO". Our basic concept of Jurisprudence that "let the 100 culprits may go free but no innocent should be punished". Though to keep Avni safe but still he has put her behind bars inspite of knowing that she is innocent. He is contradicting himself. Neil is upholding law and order as per his convenience since Juhi's return and even in this track.

I believe all the anger, angst which we wish to see between AvNeil will come out slowly as the track progresses as Neil will be stationed in jail for a month. It will be different situation for both Neil & Avni, for the first time since past 6 months they will be seeing each other every day, almost 24 hours so to keep the facade continuously will be difficult. Specially Neil will understand the dept of hurt that he has caused by his decision.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Simi1711



Second you.
I M finding her look to be too OTT for a mom who is hurt after her daughter's wrong conviction.
Her hair and the nose pin make it look more gaudy.
Sayantani is so beautiful but this look is not doing justice to her.


Count me in...I dont know what has gotten into Neela maa 😆 Who goes for a makeover when your daughter's life is ruined, she is struggling, rotting in jail for no fault of hers and here Neela maa is all dressed up to rock the party...😕
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Posted: 7 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Kathy_927


@ bold
Hey Simi I think you have mistook this thing, Neil doesn't want Avni
to become a law breaker just because this would affect when he
proves her to be innocent. (No offense yaar ).
your episodic analysis is really awesome.

With Love
Kathy ❤️



Neil is a firm believer in law but he knows it has its limitations, law needs evidence, which he doesn't have, so the very few urgent cases where he was compelled to break law it was only till he gets evidence, his intention was never I guess to break law foreover, or to make it his way in life

Avni on the other hand lost her faith in the system since her childhood, we know the impact that childhood experiences have on people, I heard that Avni as a child did all she could and gathered evidence to punish DVM for the murder of her mom, but when she was betrayed by a police officer to whom she handed evidence, she lost her trust on the system, with Neil she started a little bit to think about law but whenever some difficult situation came up she broke law without listening to Neil. She has that anger in her, that urge to even kill at times which is very dangerous, and Neil has been trying to protect her against that only!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshisfan


I feel it's more a matter of vision, I can't really think about which is the ideal way to react, because there is none, it's very relative and it depends on many things!

Avni has mixed feelings, anger, hurt, disappointment, but a lot of love and Neil loves her and whether we believe it or not he knows he hurt her and he feels her hurt and we can see it through small subtle details but he is still putting up a facade, what he wants to do or what he really feels is what he saw in his dream, those bone crushing hugs, those kisses, those tears, that breaking voice, saying he is a gunegar but having hope to fixe it all and make up for it to her, that look and that pause when he was asked whether he wants lunch to be ordered for him and he said he wants the same lunch as inmates (as his Avni actually, similar to when he was shown sleeping on the floor like her!), his look when he was watching her through CCTV cameras, the sigh, then the way he sniffed and cleared his voice when he was talking to Neela Ma over the phone.

How many times we feel deeply hurt or in pain, like we want to burst into tears but we control because we don't want others to see what we feel, sometimes we feel painful things, which are very hurtful deep inside, only we know how much but on the outside we maintain a certain composure for our dignity, for ourselves, for some purpose this is how it happens with many people, same goes for Avni, do u think she felt nothing when she saw him! She did! The love of her life was standing there in front of her eyes after 6months of separation! but she has that haunting memory of him treating her harshly and the idea of him not trusting her hence she was trying to remind herself of that, that she can't get weak, if he didn't care for love and didn't trust her then she won't believe in love either from now on! I feel Avni is trying hard to convince herself that she doesn't believe in love, that she shouldn't but love is there and whether we admit it or not love has the power to mitigate other feelings or intensify them, it depends !

I'm sure her anger will erupt like a volcano, now she is still quite composed be it in her love or in her anger, but the moment Neil will push it further trying to prevent her from running away, I feel she will be nothing less than a bomb who would blast on his face.


Love is complicated yet simple!


@ Bold - Completely agree on this, actually I almost agree with your entire post...😆

I can relate with Neil's dream but not with his monologues in reality. He is suffering there is no doubt on that, he loves her unconditionally and to see her suffer like that is hurting him more. On top of that he has not found anything concrete to prove her innocence is killing him. But, then why will you hurt her or instigate her when he knows Avni is planning to escape or probably inflicting injuries on her self to plan escape. This is no way going to help Neil in keeping Avni in jail. He has already made her believe that he don't trust her then why to reiterate the same thing again.


Edited by Ashi_Naksh - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AgnesFan

@arshifan I agree totally with your take on Avni . I was irritated to no end when she ran away with Misti . I will say it anywhere. Se is the biggest reason for her being behind bars . She shouldn't have run away with the kid when Neil was arresting Juhi . She lost hope on Neil so soon . I was like seriously woman do you even know him . She had to learn from her mistakes and understand that her impulsive nature is ending her in trouble . Like you said Even if Vidyut hadn't shot she would be responsible coz she was threatening Juhi that she will shoot her . Whatever she did to get Misti from Juhi is secondary . Her grave mistake was running with the child . It's not like Neil wouldn't do any arrangements or Vidyut will kill . If he wished to kill then why will he keep her .

Tbh I was irritated when Neil taunted her that she won't get any privilege as she is ACPs wife . Come on man you put her inside . But yes I enjoyed the episode . Neil was tongue tied when she stressed she was only Avni Ayesha . It was like a whiplash to him . I could feel all the pain , hurt and anger from both sides . Avni was visibly affected when he removed the bandage . She was consumed .


Umm... Wait what? Avni didn't run away with Mishti, she was planning to if Neil's plan didn't work & Vidhyut plays another game of his own. I don't understand why people says Avni ran away with Mishti, she didn't bring Mishti there in the first place, she was with DD & Ballu kidnapped Mishti from there & Vidhyut was the one who was running or pretending to run away with Mishti, that's why she fought with Vidhyut's goons & then ran after his car. Even if she didn't plan to make plan B, she would have run after that car & all these would still have happened. If Neil would have been in Avni's place, even he would have run after that car, it's just that he would not have point the gun to Juhi. But because she booked tickets, it just added to evidences against her, circumstantial evidence against her. Vidhyut & Ragini were after Avni & they started trapping her when Juhi joined hands with them & that's why even if she didn't booked tickets, there would have been evidence against her. She would still have been accused for Juhi's murder.

They didn't bring up the topic of the distance from which bullet was fired bcz apparently that's not a thing or evidence in TV serial world, she struggled with Ballu when he pointed his gun to her & that was planned & that's why there would have been gun powder on her hand anyway. So if you are going to blame Avni for her arrest, then the only reason for that can be because she developed a bond with Mishti & attached herself with her, but if so people even gets attached to their animal pets than Mishti still was a human & a little child at that. They didn't question why Vidhyut's car was in the area & why his phone location was there, bcz if I remember correctly Neil reached there bcz of Vidhyut's phone location. But of course those weren't enough evidences to go against the villain, but Avni PLANNING to run away with Mishti IF Neil's plan fails is evidence enough to arrest the heroine. & yes, her pointing gun towards Juhi was wrong & you can blame Avni for that, but not for being cautious & planning to run away if things goes wrong.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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His harsh ways! I made a post about this point, his harsh ways at times are heartattack inducing and I want him to introspect about the same, yes at times I see why he resorts to such things but other times I really feel that he should have thought more to find another option!

The special treatment dialogue was to make her feel that he has his eyes on her and her cell will be checked as well so she should not think about running away and just like snatching the mangalsutra and wriping the sindoor, this dialogue was to allow Avni to show her anger and tell him hurtful things such as she doesn't wish for a pati like him for any woman! (for drama)

At times I wonder if she really thinks he is the way he projects himself, couldn't she during that year understand who is Neil Khanna, I mean they went through a lot together, she was there for him during Juhi track but he has always been there for her, he passed every single test with flying colors, so how come one single incident and she actually disregarded everything else, I mean if she was wondering why he did that or he never was like that then what she changed, it could have been still relatable but complete disregard seems kind of unrealistic (or is it realistic?! as in it takes many good deeds to make a reputation and one bad deed to break it!! but what about love and trust, that rare soulmate connection we love (or is it unrealistic too!)). I hope a day comes where she trusts him beyond facades the way he trusts her, because honestly what makes me respect him and admire him despite his mistakes is his unconditional love and trust for her even during the most difficult situations and under the highest of pressures!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sandhir.candy


Umm... Wait what? Avni didn't run away with Mishti, she was planning to if Neil's plan didn't work & Vidhyut plays another game of his own. I don't understand why people says Avni ran away with Mishti, she didn't bring Mishti there in the first place, she was with DD & Ballu kidnapped Mishti from there & Vidhyut was the one who was running or pretending to run away with Mishti, that's why she fought with Vidhyut's goons & then ran after his car. Even if she didn't plan to make plan B, she would have run after that car & all these would still have happened. If Neil would have been in Avni's place, even he would have run after that car, it's just that he would not have point the gun to Juhi. But because she booked tickets, it just added to evidences against her, circumstantial evidence against her. Vidhyut & Ragini were after Avni & they started trapping her when Juhi joined hands with them & that's why even if she didn't booked tickets, there would have been evidence against her. She would still have been accused for Juhi's murder.

They didn't bring up the topic of the distance from which bullet was fired bcz apparently that's not a thing or evidence in TV serial world, she struggled with Ballu when he pointed his gun to her & that was planned & that's why there would have been gun powder on her hand anyway. So if you are going to blame Avni for her arrest, then the only reason for that can be because she developed a bond with Mishti & attached herself with her, but if so people even gets attached to their animal pets than Mishti still was a human & a little child at that. They didn't question why Vidhyut's car was in the area & why his phone location was there, bcz if I remember correctly Neil reached there bcz of Vidhyut's phone location. But of course those weren't enough evidences to go against the villain, but Avni PLANNING to run away with Mishti IF Neil's plan fails is evidence enough to arrest the heroine. & yes, her pointing gun towards Juhi was wrong & you can blame Avni for that, but not for being cautious & planning to run away if things goes wrong.


@ candy. Agree with each and every word of yours. Avni just had plan B but never executed it!! The way mishti was shouting for her angel to protect her from their own parents. Whose heart won't melt for that. On top of it, it was all pre-planned by vidhyut to trap avni!
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Posted: 7 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: arshisfan

I understand what u mean Simi, and I'm sucker of intensity as well, but I'm willing to wait.
I might be the odd one here but for me it's not about redemption, it's about realisation, introspection and retrospection, it's a whole process and I want them both to go through it

I feel Neil was just trying to distract her from her mission "prison break" and what he said about don't expect special treatment, he meant that her cell will be ckecked anyways, it was a way to say that he will find out in case she is planning to run away and at the same time he planned all those "summer camp" activities to distract her. Someone has made a post few days before, maybe he is doing the same he did post their marriage when he tried to distract her with house hold chores and pleasing family members to distract her from going behind DVM!

Neil would never hurt her intentionally unless he feels there is no other way (or so he thinks!) but bottom line, for me men who really need to prove themselves are those male leads who keep misunderstanding their wives, go for revenge drama and turn their lives into a nightmare on purpose because they think their poor wives deserve it or because of their ego issues, there a long redemption is needed but in a case where a man loves his wife to bits and suffers as well, I think what is needed is his introspection about his harsh ways whether they are that efficient or whether there is no other way, but in no case I think Neil deserves to suffer. An apology where he really realises where he went wrong is what is needed. what matters to me is them learning from their past mistakes and fully understanding things, holding grudges against each other isn't fruitful in anyway. As for me despite Neil being wrong for not telling her the truth till now, for me Avni too has a long way to go in terms of introspection and retrospection about things that happened even way before this situation was created.


Againt that's my point of view. My feelings for Avni and what she is suffering won't turn me blind to the necessity of coming out from this experience with valuable lessons in life and in relationships.

Imagine a scenario where Neil keeps pacifying her and doing things for her, trying to make up to her for what she went through (it's all fine by me Avni deserve all the love because she is a wonderful person and because she went through so much) and Avni being hard on him and at the end showing her badapan and forgiving him without any introspection about her contribution to things, how is that serving their relationship or Avni in her individual progress and growth?!!

For me both their growth as individuals and as a couple are important, if one's mistakes will be overlooked just because the other did mistakes while reacting to the situation and hence having to apologize and make it up for the other then where is the growth!!!

I know many would disagree with me, because the emotional side would overule and emotions are hard to be ignored but in my head what I said about introspection and retrospection makes sense and this is how I think about it, others might not think the same which is fine, I was just trying to explain my point of view 😊


@ BOLD - Exactly same what I want from this track.

I am willing to wait and let the track unfold completely before giving out verdict.

I want AvNeil to realise that love, trust don't come easily in your life. I want them to value each other more. I want Avni to realise that her indecision/action, her impulsive reactions has brought them here.

Saying that, I don't want Avni to just go running into Neil's arm after knowing the truth. I want Neil to realise that his decision of not letting Avni know the truth has caused more damage to her then good. His decision has pushed her back in to the darkness.

I want both of them to know where they went wrong and why they are where they are and try to rectify it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Umm... Wait what? Avni didn't run away with Mishti, she was planning to if Neil's plan didn't work & Vidhyut plays another game of his own. I don't understand why people says Avni ran away with Mishti, she didn't bring Mishti there in the first place, she was with DD & Ballu kidnapped Mishti from there & Vidhyut was the one who was running or pretending to run away with Mishti, that's why she fought with Vidhyut's goons & then ran after his car. Even if she didn't plan to make plan B, she would have run after that car & all these would still have happened. If Neil would have been in Avni's place, even he would have run after that car, it's just that he would not have point the gun to Juhi. But because she booked tickets, it just added to evidences against her, circumstantial evidence against her. Vidhyut & Ragini were after Avni & they started trapping her when Juhi joined hands with them & that's why even if she didn't booked tickets, there would have been evidence against her. She would still have been accused for Juhi's murder.

They didn't bring up the topic of the distance from which bullet was fired bcz apparently that's not a thing or evidence in TV serial world, she struggled with Ballu when he pointed his gun to her & that was planned & that's why there would have been gun powder on her hand anyway. So if you are going to blame Avni for her arrest, then the only reason for that can be because she developed a bond with Mishti & attached herself with her, but if so people even gets attached to their animal pets than Mishti still was a human & a little child at that. They didn't question why Vidhyut's car was in the area & why his phone location was there, bcz if I remember correctly Neil reached there bcz of Vidhyut's phone location. But of course those weren't enough evidences to go against the villain, but Avni PLANNING to run away with Mishti IF Neil's plan fails is evidence enough to arrest the heroine. & yes, her pointing gun towards Juhi was wrong & you can blame Avni for that, but not for being cautious & planning to run away if things goes wrong.

@sandhir candy, iam totally agree with you. She never run away with MISTI. It's vidyuth plan to trap her.

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