Mahabharat Retelecast Discussion Thread 5 - Page 108

Originally posted by: Mages

arjun didn't want to he did on request of krishna in the presence of krishna furthermore arjun's curse did come true when pre-vastraharan when karn badmouthed draupadi he curse karn that he will loose all knowledge and atma se darinda hoke maroge so yup his curse came true(based on Star Bharat)

karna did forget his skills and knowledge than krishna made him realise his sins furthermore karn volunteer to be killed after he realise his sins

in whole MB krishna played lots of chal to win the war to name a few jaydrath death when he use his sudashan chakra to block the sun and karn vadh to kill him when karn is weaponless...its all due to krishna

he hails as a great warrior that he was no doubt on that but the man is too arrogant and has no respect for womens

This is actually StarBharat. In the epic even after getting down he was not weaponless.

He was just killing time. All his weapons had been neutralised by then. He was completely wounded and hardly had much survival chance anyway (someone has given in the citation in the forum. It might be in the first page itself) Karna had anyway lost, even after getting down he tried to use Brahmastra.

Yes Krishnaji did ask for Arjun to attack but because he knew that Karna is killing time and that was useless

Plus he had three curses-- Parashuram (to forget Brahmastra right at the time) Bhoomi Devi and a Brahmin

Arjun ka there wasn't any curse

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

This is actually StarBharat. In the epic even after getting down he was not weaponless.

He was just killing time. All his weapons had been neutralised by then. He was completely wounded and hardly had much survival chance anyway (someone has given in the citation in the forum. It might be in the first page itself) Karna had anyway lost, even after getting down he tried to use Brahmastra.

Yes Krishnaji did ask for Arjun to attack but because he knew that Karna is killing time and that was useless

Plus he had three curses-- Parashuram (to forget Brahmastra right at the time) Bhoomi Devi and a Brahmin

Arjun ka there wasn't any curse

@bold in actual epic you are right abt parashuram and bhoomi devi curse but in star bharat during pre-vastraharan arjun curse karn for humiliating draupadi

'apne saare gyan kho kar maroge atma se darinda hoke maroge' thats what arjun curse him

Karna was not weaponless. Nor were his weapons neutralized. He was wounded, but both Krishna and Arjuna were wounded just as much. Karna even got Krishna with nagastra.

Karna asked for a reprieve not because he was killing time, but because he was in pain.

Arjuna was prepared to give it to him.

Krishna got angry and listed the things Karna did, 2 of which had to do with the attack on Panchali, one with the empire, and one with tricking Yudhishtira. Krishna's deep anger at dice hall came out that day.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08089.htm

hen the bow-string of the son of Pandu, stretched with force, broke with a loud noise. During the interval thus offered, the Suta's son pierced Partha with a hundred small arrows, keen and steeped in oil, winged with the feathers of birds, and resembling snakes freed from their sloughs. He then quickly pierced Vasudeva with sixty shafts, and then Phalguna again with eight. Surya's son then pierced Bhima with thousands upon thousands of mighty arrows. Having pierced Krishna and Partha's standard, Karna felled many amongst the Somakas that followed Partha. These, however, in return shrouded Karna with showers of straight shafts like masses of clouds shrouding the sun in the welkin.

The son of Adhiratha then pierced Dhananjaya who resembled the chief of the celestials himself (in energy and might) with three arrows, and he caused five other blazing arrows resembling five snakes to penetrate the body of Krishna. Shot with great force, those arrows, decked with gold, pierced through the armour of that foremost of beings and passing out of his body fell upon the earth. Endued with great energy, they entered the earth with great force and having bathed (in the waters of the Bhogavati in the nether region) coursed back towards Karna. Those shafts were five mighty snakes that had adopted the side of Takshaka's son (Aswasena whose mother Partha had slain at Khandava). W

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08090.htm

Once more Arjuna pierced Karna in the centre of the chest with many straight-coursing and strong shafts made entirely of iron and equipped with wings of gold and each resembling the fiery rod of the Destroyer, like the son of Agni piercing the Krauncha mountains. Then the Suta's son, casting aside his bow that resembled the very bow of Sakra, as also his quiver, felt great pain, and stood inactive, stupefied, and reeling, his grasp loosened and himself in great anguish. The virtuous Arjuna, observant of the duty of manliness, wished not to slay his enemy while fallen into such distress. The younger brother of Indra then, with great excitement, addressed him, saying, "Why, O son of Pandu, dost thou become so forgetful

^^^So how does this become Adharma? It was a battlefield and they were fighting on Chariot vs ground. Obviously one would hurt other and the one who is wounded will be hurt, why and how could anyone anyone think that the other would give time for this (even if Karna was some saint who hadn't committed a single sin)

Karna definitely had no other important Shastra left and Krishna Arjun had escaped all that he had. He might be at pain, but keeping the arrow due to pain could just be his tactics to kill time. Had his Chariot been fine, he would have fled like aways, but this time even that wasn't a possibility

There is nothing in there which says Karna ran out of weapons. Actually, the scene says Karna used brahmastra.

Beholding it, Karna, invoking the brahmastra, showered his shafts upon Dhananjaya, and once more made an effort to extricate his car. Partha also, by the aid of the brahmastra,

Yeah, you're right that he couldn't flee, but the reason he asked for reprieve was because he was wounded.

That actually was one of the rules of war they agreed on in the beginning. That neither side followed it is a different issue. Karna cited it as dharma.

Arjuna was about to give Karna the reprieve, and Krishna got angry.

That's when Krishna says all that stuff about men like Karna remembering dharma when it was convenient for him, but not when they perpetrated a sexual assault on Panchali.

I wasn't saying what Krishna did was adharma. I was saying Krishna didn't ask Arjuna to shoot because Karna was just killing time. Krishna sentenced Karrna to death for his crimes.

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Krishna and krishnaa were as divine or non divine as eachother. They were equals .