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Cotswolds

@Cotswolds

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Posted: 11 years ago

#241

@shyam09

Great post on convo between Abhi, Subhi,Arju. Hilarious. 😆

I especially liked following line. 👏

Subhadra ka aapman karne wali, mastak lene ka pran hai mera!!" I was so happy that he said that for me! He married 2 other women, but to this day it's those words that keep me with him!"

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Cotswolds

@Cotswolds

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Posted: 11 years ago

#242

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

what i dislike that most here is that they are making it seem that arjuna marries subhadra for political gain not because he loves her.In any case this was expected

Agree. Arju, Subhi loved each other. I think Krishna discussed political alliance to calm agitated Balram.

We all know how SB loves to drop hints of future events. I am sure Krishna will make veiled suggestions to shower all love on Abhi for 16 years.

Reporter Vijay reports that sound of music song, I am 16, going on 17 was Abhi's favorite track.

Edited by Cotswolds - 11 years ago

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#243

Originally posted by: Sabhayata
No it doesnt .Read the citation posted by Diala it clealry states first arjuna only asks krishna ji how he can obtain subhadra

I meant translation onto TELEVISION. should have been CLEARER.

The translation you are talking about is KMG's and that is not used at Oxford's Centre for Hindu Studies. And there may be some of us that feel that there is a VAST body of evidence that points towards a political alliance. Just like people refuse to believe evidence other than that KMG book exists, some of us may choose to believe that there is a VAST array of literal sources out there and this book is only used because it can be copied and pasted freely.

One of the consultants for this show has written a book; THAT book states

Krishna knew that his sister subhadra was secretly in LOVE with Arjuna. he ENCOURAGED Arjuna to elope with her. Subhadra needed no encouragement,

Reference not stated as this thread does not allow for other sources to be referenced. However, hints have been given

And you can deny all other interpretations but will you also deny the Srimad Bhagwatam???

Arjuna was very attractive to women, and as soon as Subhadra saw him, she wanted to have him as her husband. Smiling bashfully with sidelong glances, she fixed her heart and eyes upon him

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#244

I'll comment on the events of the preceding week, and the spoilers as per next week, separately. If the past week was inane, the coming week is too disgusting for my tastes - I'll give it a complete pass 🤢

Ok, last week, they showed Duryodhan insulting Karna when he asked to return the crown of Anga. But so many things come up here. For one, Karna would no more be in Duryodhan's debt, and would be at liberty to abandon him, had he actually considered Duryodhan's actions adharm. The real Karna was never insulted by Duryodhan, which is why even after it was revealed to him that he was Kunti's son, he still considered himself duty bound to fight the Pandavas. But in this story, it just doesn't logically follow why Karna would not have joined the Pandavas. He's in love w/ Kunti, is taking a message from her to the Pandavas that actually commands them to secede from Hastinapur. Such a message is certainly not in Duryodhan's interests, so how is Karna being true to his loyalties to Duryodhan? The Staryodhana was in retrospect perfectly justified in asking him whose side he was on.

Also, the other moral of this story - Karna is good after he abdicates - so Vrushali - and Kunti - disdained him while he wore a crown, and admired him once he let go of it? Vrushali at least had the sense to realize later how much she had hurt him, when the brahmins insulted Karna. But Kunti? She too is greedy for the crown - just rationalizing it on the grounds of giving the citizens a just ruler. B'cos Duryodhan did end up w/ half the population. And why can't she just give Karna the letter, knowing as she does how her other sons mistrust him?

The other thing - when Karna & Dushashan were having their argument, Dushashan was actually correct in questioning Kunti's authority, and Karna pointed out that she was mata. I actually interpreted it as Kunti being the widow of Hastinapur's late king, Pandu and SIL of the current king, rather than Kunti being Karna's mother. And Karna was definitely inaccurate when he said that Kunti was Hastinapur's rajmata. No, she wasn't - it was either Ambika, if she's still @ Hastinapur (she was never shown to leave, was a part of the party which welcomed the Pandavas) if one considers Dhritarashtra the king, and if one considers Duryodhan the king, then it's just Gandhari. Maybe Karna implied that Kunti was Duryodhan's 'mother'. In any case, I liked Dushashan demanding punishment for Kunti.

However, this trip of Karna's was a waste in terms of just giving a message to the mistrusting Pandavas and coming back. In the process, it cost him his crown and support of Duryodhan. If Vrushali was gonna return w/ Karna, why show her leaving Hastinapur in the first place?

Finally, while we've seen people like Drupada, Vikarna, Madri, Bhima, and a whole lot of other people get defamed, I must congratulate Swastika productions for managing to defame none other than Krishna himself. 👏 Yeah, talking about this serial's Krishna, he comes off to me as a real 🤬. I actually loved it when Karna told him that he doesn't need his protection, and that he wasn't there to be a guest of Indraprastha, but just there to deliver a message from Kunti. Which is why, it would have made sense for him to carry Kunti's scroll, instead of being accused by the Pandavas of lying and almost going to war w/ them.

Anyway, the reason I consider Krishna as being defamed here - Vrushali belonged to her father, and until she was given away in marriage to anyone, the duty of the Pandavas was to return her to him. Instead, Krishna sees the pyaar in her eyes and simply tells her to chase him & elope 🤢 That's totally against the norms, and if she was gonna do that, why have her leave Hastinapur in the first place? The correct thing to have done would have been to return her to her father, and then have him invite Karna to Indraprastha to marry Vrushali and take her away.

Essentially, they ended this Karna-Vrushali track on a ludicrous note. This Karna would have done well to turn down Vrushali, telling her that he had lost everything and had no means of supporting her, and ask her to return to her father and become Draupadi's maid.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#245

If the outgoing week was a laugh riot due to the scenes of Karna returning the crown of Anga due to injustice done to Kunti, the coming week really makes me sick, and I'll totally pass on it. Here's why.

I know it's worthless talking about the original story, but let's revisit one essence of it. It was a pure Pandava story: there were no Kauravas involved. If one is purely a Pandava fan and wants to watch just a sub-segment of the epic, like just the Krishnarjuna scenes, this would be one. It would not be tainted by the presences of Dhritarashtra, Gandhari, Duryodhan, Bheeshma or anyone else.

For those who have no idea of the original, here's what happened. Arjun was exiled not b'cos he was fighting Takshasha, but b'cos a Brahmin in Indraprastha was being robbed. Arjun needed his weapons, but had stupidly left them in Draupadi's room, and at that time, Yudisthir was w/ him. (On this one, I don't blame the CVs for showing them playing dice: it would have been a bit too erotic to show them trying to conceive Prativindya) Due to the vow, he left Indraprastha for a year - some say 1 year, some say 12. His travels took him to Nagaland, where he married Uloopi, and Manipura, where he married Chitrangada. Ultimately, after leaving Chitrangada & his new born son Babruvahana, his travels took him back to Dwarka.

Now, here is where the epic is usually clouded by the folklore. In the Mahabharata itself, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, about Balarama wanting to give Subhadra to Duryodhan. In Shrimad Bhagvatam, Balarama is depicted as just thinking about doing it, but that thought never materializes into action. Therefore, while making this a saas-bahu track where Subhadra returns garlanded and maang filled by Arjun w/ his name on it to the Kauravas is just a sickening degradation of the somewhat pure circumstances of their marriage. What makes it worse is Kunti being depicted as being disapproving of this match.

Again, in the original, since we have to look at what the real Kunti did vs StarKunti, the real Kunti only saw Subhadra when Arjun returned to Indraprastha w/ her, and accompanied by the Yadavas. Arjun first sent Subhadra to Kunti to seek her blessings, since she had to visit her MIL b4 her grihapravesh, and Kunti welcomed her whole heartedly.

The scene w/ Draupadi, as per the new promos - they've really made this look like Balika Vadhu 🤣🤢 - w/ Arjun being Jagat/Jagdish, Draupadi as Anandi & Subhadra as Gauri 😆 Just like in that serial, Jagat entered the haveli w/ Gauri in full bridal gear, similarly, showing Subhadra as appearing b4 Draupadi all garlanded and decked as a bride was just... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

But Draupadi's reaction - in addition to defaming Krishna, which I pointed out in the previous segment, Draupadi has now joined her father in the list of the defamed. I guess Subhadra's marriage is also the fault of the wishes Drupada requested, since it's hurt Draupadi? 🤪 Herself in a polyandrous marriage, she's now opposed to her husbands being polygynous? In fact, all the Pandavas had wives other than Draupadi - Devika, Valandhara and later, Karenamati and Nirmitra.

In essence, this serial is about to show up Draupadi as a hypocrite, having just shown Krishna as devoid of any sense of societal propriety - sending a girl who was returning to join her father back to elope w/ the guy who brought her there, w/ considerable loss to himself.

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guenhwyvar

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Posted: 11 years ago

#246

Vrish I have but 5 words for the thousand words you just gave us:

I LOVE YOUR POSTS VRISH!!!!

🤣🤣 never laughed so hard in my life.

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Diala D

@...Diala...

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Posted: 11 years ago

#247

CVs love woman coming from behind men 😆

Madri FB Pandu, Draupadi FB Arjun, Vrishali FB Daddy now Subhadra FB Arjun 😆

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#248

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

The scene w/ Draupadi, as per the new promos - they've really made this look like Balika Vadhu 🤣🤢 - w/ Arjun being Jagat/Jagdish, Draupadi as Anandi & Subhadra as Gauri 😆 Just like in that serial, Jagat entered the haveli w/ Gauri in full bridal gear, similarly, showing Subhadra as appearing b4 Draupadi all garlanded and decked as a bride was just... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

But Draupadi's reaction - in addition to defaming Krishna, which I pointed out in the previous segment, Draupadi has now joined her father in the list of the defamed. I guess Subhadra's marriage is also the fault of the wishes Drupada requested, since it's hurt Draupadi? 🤪 Herself in a polyandrous marriage, she's now opposed to her husbands being polygynous? In fact, all the Pandavas had wives other than Draupadi - Devika, Valandhara and later, Karenamati and Nirmitra.

But vrish even as per the epic Draupadi is angry becuase Arjuna married subhadra.I agree they have highly dramatized it.But the part where Drau is upset about Arjuna marrying again is right?Am i right?

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#249

Stopped by them, Arjuna returned to Dwaraka and was united in marriage with Subhadra. Worshipped by the sons of Vrishni's race, Arjuna, sporting there as he pleased, passed a whole year in Dwaraka. The last year of his exile the exalted one passed at the sacred region of Pushkara. After the twelve years were complete he came back to Khandavaprastha. He approached the king first and then worshipped the Brahmanas with respectful attention. At last the hero went unto Draupadi. Draupadi, from jealousy, spoke unto him, saying, 'Why tarriest thou here, O son of Kunti? Go where the daughter of the Satwata race is! A second tie always relaxeth the first one upon a faggot!' And Krishna lamented much in this strain. But Dhananjaya pacified her repeatedly and asked for her forgiveness. And returning soon unto where Subhadra, attired in red silk, was staying, Arjuna, sent her into the inner apartments dressed not as a queen but in the simple garb of a cowherd woman. But arrived at the palace, the renowned Subhadra looked handsomer in that dress. The celebrated Bhadra of large and slightly red eyes first worshipped Pritha. Kunti from excess of affection smelt the head of that girl of perfectly faultless features, and pronounced infinite blessing upon her. Then that girl of face like the full moon hastily went unto Draupadi and worshipped her, saying, 'I am thy maid!' Krishna rose hastily and embraced the sister of Madhava from affection, and said, 'Let thy husband be without a foe!' Bhadra then, with a delighted heart, said unto Draupadi, 'So be it!' From that time, O Janamejaya, those great warriors, the Pandavas, began to live happily, and Kunti also became very happy.'

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#250

Yeah, Draupadi was jealous, and did say that it weakens the previous marriage, but they made it look her like she was opposed to any of her husbands taking more women. And like I pointed out, in the milkmaid's garb, Subhadra first approached Kunti, and was blessed by her, and then went to Draupadi as a maid.

Maybe that's where the CVs got the idea that both Karna's & Arjun's wives should be Draupadi's maids 🤢