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Posted: 9 years ago
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Laws are debatable. I am aware that many women misuse the laws made to protect them and men keep complaining about them and more important fact is laws are never that straight. What sympathy you can generate when women is the victim, will never get the same with men or his family, even If the women is at fault. Its twisted world. I am not siding with any party here for every situation is different.
But with the current show we were promised to get development in the characters with time. But the only progress we could see is on the negative end. Dev's character had more strength, compassion before he confessed his feelings to Sona, or say a lot more before his break up with Sonakshi. Now he just does things without any pre or post regrets.
I did not mean that Sona is not at fault. But then a marriage is not tug of wars. Both parties have to bent some of the other time to sort out situations or else it can never work. The only thing here is Dev pretends to have learnt from a situation n Sona gives in, but then he forgets it all too soon. Sona can never trust his words with what all he said and ended up doing later, some on the same day. That's why she still fears Ishwari and want to please her hard. More than anyone, its Dev who has to accept the changes Sona's presence is making in his life not just inside but outside his bedroom too. When he fails to give the much needed importance and respect to Sona in front of others, Sona will never get any respect from anyone in the house be it Ishwari, mami or Neha.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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This is what I wrote in Doctor's post.

Here's the best Awww moment for me...

Dev told Sona to stay out of his family's business and then after reading his letter he said, "You are not outsider. You are my wife, a part of this family." Awww... cho chweet.

So basically translating Dev's statement here's what I get.

"Sona, my darling, you are my wife, a part of this family. I love you so much that I miss you every moment. BUT, please read the disclaimer below.

1. Just don't open your mouth and express any opinion (We don't need it. Family matter, you see)

2. Just do as you are told and you will continue to be the love of my life (Isn't that wonderful?)

3. If you are feeling like an outsider it's because you are stepping over your boundary and actually thinking that you have any say in anything (Really, how can I make you understand. May be an example will help)

It's like when we consider our helps and our pets as part of our family.

They are there, they are treated decently, they are fed and taken care off.

But do they interfere in family matters? No.

Do we share or discuss anything with them? No.

Can you name any other family member who is treated like you and asked to stay out of family business? No.

So what did we learn today? Yes, your comparison should not be with Maa, Neha, Mama, Mami or even Vicky, Riya or Nikki. Your status is to be compared with Kichu bhaiya.

Mimic him and you will continue to be my wife, part of my family and a true life partner in YOUR IMAGINATION!!! (There I said it)"



Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Hum aajkal kitna ladte hain.. not done.

Mr puppy face dixit... stop trying to be cute. Okay. It works on female fans like me.. it has so far worked on your wife...Tomorrow seriously it won't work on Bose's daughter. Atleast I hope it won't. What you guys had this morning wasn't a fight Dev. You were downright Type A Obodhro sorts. And I will get thrown rotten tomatoes for saying this, you need to stop treating her like your KEEP. I get why you agreed to give ranvir his job back. However, the emotions are so hard to block that you need to shut your wife up lest she brings up uncomfortable thoughts?

and ishu mama. You too. What is this business of packing her off to her parents' house? Sona I agree is banging her head against a brick wall. She finally got it when mamaji said so. But she still doesnt stop. Leave them to dig their own grave. I wish she hadn't spent all her emotional energy on Neha and ranvir. I wish she had told you that dev will drop her at her parents house and will pick her the next day.

Sona, tomorrow stand up for Devakshi's sake. Because, these wounds and scars that our fellow member spoke about a few days ago, run deep. You are challenging this family to deal with such uncomfortable thoughts. Dev only wants to deal with the problem on face value. He doesn't have the strength to deal with the deep underlying issues. You are the only person who can help him do that. But for that, you first need to jolt him out of this senseless maze that he has built around him.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Oh I agree with you completely. I was being sarcastic when I said that the reason Dev gets to have his cake and eat it too is because that's the societal expectations.

I was away this weekend. But when I was dropping in I was reading posts which was blaming Ranveer for Dev's deed. They were saying that if Ranveer hadn't filed harassment case against Neha, Dev won't have taken his job. Sometimes I think if Dev murders someone, some people will say if the victim had done what he said, he won't be murdered. As if Dev has never threatened another person's livelihood without them attacking him before. Example Sona and Ritwik.

Yet Dev's deed is being whitewashed while just like Sona people are trying to understand his point of view.

The point I was trying to make with the law is that whether some woman misuse them or not is not the point. But in spite of our Constitution giving man and woman equal rights, why should a woman be forced to stay with or take care of her husband's family when a man isn't expected to do the same.

Here people are sympathizing that Dev is torn between his wife and family. But if he either stayed a bachelor or moved to a separate home with his wife as he expects Ranveer to do, then he won't have been torn between anyone. Because then whatever happens to his family won't have impacted Sona's life.

But while Sona is under the same roof as his family and in one hand he is treating Sona like an outsider while on the other hand expects her to put up with all the drama of his family is grossly unfair.

And you are right. As I also mentioned before, a woman's respect at her in-laws comes from her husband. If she is treated like an outsider by her husband there, there's no way she will be treated like a family by everyone else.

The reason I brought Sona's side because she also has to take responsibility for how she has been treated so far. She should have made her expectations clear on what kind of marriage she wants. But she was too busy romancing and having fun than having a serious discussion. That's why Dev got away with so much since they got married.

The reason she was treated better before marriage was because he was scared to lose her. Now he is behaving as if she is a done deal. And why not since she was prepared to accept any behaviour, any insult?

You are right in pointing where her insecurities lie. But if she talked it out with Dev, then she won't have been insecure because she'd know where she stands in this relationship. Then it would have been up to her to decide if she is okay with what she has been given or that's too little and not worth her dignity.

On the other hand, it was Dev's responsibility to include Sona in his family since he brought her here with promises to keep her happy. But he failed. Like I said, Dev assigned punishment for Ranveer's failure to keep his sister happy. What should be his punishment that Saurabh should assign for the same crime?

Originally posted by: mena_k


Laws are debatable. I am aware that many women misuse the laws made to protect them and men keep complaining about them and more important fact is laws are never that straight. What sympathy you can generate when women is the victim, will never get the same with men or his family, even If the women is at fault. Its twisted world. I am not siding with any party here for every situation is different.
But with the current show we were promised to get development in the characters with time. But the only progress we could see is on the negative end. Dev's character had more strength, compassion before he confessed his feelings to Sona, or say a lot more before his break up with Sonakshi. Now he just does things without any pre or post regrets.
I did not mean that Sona is not at fault. But then a marriage is not tug of wars. Both parties have to bent some of the other time to sort out situations or else it can never work. The only thing here is Dev pretends to have learnt from a situation n Sona gives in, but then he forgets it all too soon. Sona can never trust his words with what all he said and ended up doing later, some on the same day. That's why she still fears Ishwari and want to please her hard. More than anyone, its Dev who has to accept the changes Sona's presence is making in his life not just inside but outside his bedroom too. When he fails to give the much needed importance and respect to Sona in front of others, Sona will never get any respect from anyone in the house be it Ishwari, mami or Neha.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ok I just got done with the episode and honestly the more I watch the Bose's the more Dixit family suffocates me even from my laptop screen 😛 What a fresh air of breathe from the moment Sourabh-Elena jumped and Sona smiled from the outside Just made my day ❤️ Sona should have never ever gotten married to the suffocating Dixits, including Dev.

This guy Dev - He ALONE has managed to give EVERY single person in the house to walk over Sona, be it Vicky, GKB or today Neha. Ishwari has given reason to Kichu Bhaiya to think where Sona stands in Dixit House (on the day of Tulsi puja etc). Overall, Sona has absolutely NO place in Dixit kaalkothri. And for all these, Dev ALONE is responsible. Today's episode was a bit too annoying to me, since it's been over 3 months the characterization of Dev is going down to drain and nothing has been done to stop that from happening 👎🏼. His aggression when he said he doesn't need to discuss everything with Sona - was cringeworthy and scary. His mountain-size ego doesn't help to make me feel bad about him anymore. He clearly realized he did wrong, but he did not say sorry. This has happened twice now. He turned out to be a typical boyfriend who becomes worst kind of a husband as he believes he has won some trophy which he doesn't need to worry about anymore, kind of a fixed deposit. He is giving every single person in the house the reason to think that Sona is a laughing stock. As an independent, progressive and free-thinking woman the ignorant smile of GKB, the opportunist fake-concerned looks of Ishwari and Neha's apology would hurt me a lot 👎🏼. I seriously want Boses to treat him like shit, the boozing drama of Bijoy-Dev is not appealing to me anymore. Dev has become the WORST kind of husbands I have seen in Indian Television. Double-standard, hypocritical, insensitive towards others' pain, egoist and dumb who doesn't learn from his mistakes. Some main adjectives which can be used for him today. When he said 'we are fighting too much' - it was really laugh-worthy, not even a single instance I can remember when Sona initiates the fights. 👎🏼


He has gone beyond repair now. Being true to his character is not enough of an excuse for me to ship for this guy anymore. His character is one of a worse kind, I had expectations from this character to improve rather than continually seeing a stagnant character with no growth whatsoever.


P.S. - Sona is spared from my wrath today, however, what she has done today, should have been done long back during Vicky's fiasco. Anyways, better late than never, like I said, all I was looking forward to see is for the characters to do the right things eventually, not a moronic lead who endlessly repeats the same mistakes and insults his wife. I am still confused if he wanted a Mute Woman, why he married Sona and not a meek, obedient, 'gaav ki ladki' like Dadi Bua had suggested ?
Edited by Pehchaan.Kaun - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Just like you, my blood boiled at Dev's attitude today. But I predicted that back during Vicky's track. Back then I wrote that if Sona doesn't make it clear then that this was the last time she will put up with his attitude of taking decision without discussing it with her, then she should be prepared for the multiple repeats of the same. But she not only let that go but bend over backwards to please Dev.

I said again during honeymoon track that this was a second strike and if again Sona doesn't make it clear that whether she says yes or not, still Dev should not take decisions on her behalf. But again, she let that go.

This is the third strike. Sorry, this is not a new thing for me anymore.

The problem in Dev's characterization as I pointed out before is his tendency to take executive decisions like he does at work. But a husband is not a boss to take decisions without anyone's input and a wife is not an employee who has to accept whatever decision a husband takes.

A husband-wife's relationship is like an equal partnership. Just like one partner can't take decision without another partner's input, husband-wife should be the same.

Moving on to your point on Sona's position in Dixit house. I have said it numerous times that a wife's respect in her husband's family relies solely on her husband's action.

I was told before that a strong woman should fight her own battles. She absolutely should. But she can't fight alone against a whole family when they gang up against her and even her husband sidelines her.

It's not a fair fight nor a fair expectation. I keep repeating fairness because I don't think a woman deserves to be treated like a Goddess be it a mother or wife or sister or daughter or friend. I believe a woman deserves to be treated as a human being who should be given fair chance, fair treatment and fair opportunity as men. That is the root of Feminism or Equality which one and the same that a lot of people don't realize.

Who did Sona bring with her in her in-laws? Who does any woman bring with her to her in-laws? Does she bring any family member? A pet? A friend? She brings no one. Instead she brings her hopes, her dreams and her unlimited trust on one man who promises to share HIS world with her and make her half of his life - her husband.

In exchange of that trust, if her husband makes it clear that while she is his wife, she comes after everyone else in his family. She is only loved when she stays out and keeps her mouth shut. She is only allowed as far as he or his family is willing to tolerate her presence.

Oh by the way, she should also manage to get pregnant by her husband and make sure HIS family name continues, otherwise she is a failure and may be replaced by a better model. And if she is not replaced she better be grateful. After all, not many man would show that much kindness.

And women are told to be satisfied and happy with what they got...

At least her husband values her in his bedroom. Isn't it enough?

At least he misses her when she is gone. What more does she want?

At least he insisted on marrying her while hiding the news of her own health from her for her own good... Where would you find a husband like that?

Really. Where would you find a husband like that?

But the question is do women really think so less of themselves that they are willing to let themselves be treated like that and willing to go back for more? Why can't they ask for their full due respect, dignity and honour equal to their husband and still be loved? Why should they be content with crumbs?

I am not saying you have to jump into divorce immediately. But shouldn't you at least protest and make it clear that either you are treated as a family or you don't want to live among strangers?

Shouldn't you at least make it clear that this is not a life you imagined or willing to live in your husband's home? That living in the fringes of his life is not enough? That little crumbs of affection and larger doses of insult and humiliation is not acceptable anymore?

And if you are not willing to fight for your rights, then what right do you have to complain?

What Sona did today, had she done during Vicky's time, she won't get treated like this today. And this was the point I tried to make then that CVs are showing now.




Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Ok I just got done with the episode and honestly the more I watch the Bose's the more Dixit family suffocates me even from my laptop screen 😛 What a fresh air of breathe from the moment Sourabh-Elena jumped and Sona smiled from the outside Just made my day ❤️ Sona should have never ever gotten married to the suffocating Dixits, including Dev.

This guy Dev - He ALONE has managed to give EVERY single person in the house to walk over Sona, be it Vicky, GKB or today Neha. Ishwari has given reason to Kichu Bhaiya to think where Sona stands in Dixit House (on the day of Tulsi puja etc). Overall, Sona has absolutely NO place in Dixit kaalkothri. And for all these, Dev ALONE is responsible. Today's episode was a bit too annoying to me, since it's been over 3 months the characterization of Dev is going down to drain and nothing has been done to stop that from happening 👎🏼. His aggression when he said he doesn't need to discuss everything with Sona - was cringeworthy and scary. His mountain-size ego doesn't help to make me feel bad about him anymore. He clearly realized he did wrong, but he did not say sorry. This has happened twice now. He turned out to be a typical boyfriend who becomes worst kind of a husband as he believes he has won some trophy which he doesn't need to worry about anymore, kind of a fixed deposit. He is giving every single person in the house the reason to think that Sona is a laughing stock. As an independent, progressive and free-thinking woman the ignorant smile of GKB, the opportunist fake-concerned looks of Ishwari and Neha's apology would hurt me a lot 👎🏼. I seriously want Dixits to treat him like shit, the boozing drama of Bijoy-Dev is not appealing to me anymore. Dev has become the WORST kind of husbands I have seen in Indian Television. Double-standard, hypocritical, insensitive towards others' pain, egoist and dumb who doesn't learn from his mistakes. Some main adjectives which can be used for him today. When he said 'we are fighting too much' - it was really laugh-worthy, not even a single instance I can remember when Sona initiates the fights. 👎🏼


He has gone beyond repair now. Being true to his character is not enough of an excuse for me to ship for this guy anymore. His character is one of a worse kind, I had expectations from this character to improve rather than continually seeing a stagnant character with no growth whatsoever.


P.S. - Sona is spared from my wrath today, however, what she has done today, should have been done long back during Vicky's fiasco. Anyways, better late than never, like I said, all I was looking forward to see is for the characters to do the right things eventually, not a moronic lead who endlessly repeats the same mistakes and insults his wife. I am still confused if he wanted a Mute Woman, why he married Sona and not a meek, obedient, 'gaav ki ladki' like Dadi Bua had suggested ?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Tia you are right. If you have seen there is a constant progress in the negative side of Dev's character -

During Vicky's track, he did the right thing - discussed with his educated and working wife and took her suggestions. However, due to family pressure he turned his back to her later on and started his 'you won't understand' nonsense. But then, Sona gave him a resort night.


Then during Honeymoon track, he changed his decision without discussing with her AGAIN and this time didn't bother to even TALK to her about that. Showing up frustration and shouting at his disorganized room was all he had to do. Voila, Sona is in his arms.


And then the small ego grows into elephant size today and Dev finally SPOKE those precious words - I don't have to discuss every single thing with you before deciding something about my family .. The very same words Ishwari has spoken during Vicky's incident.


Life takes a full circle here 😊. I dont understand why Sona doesn't feel bad about that statement time and again ? Had she protested this statement of Ishwari 3 weeks back, today I dare Dev say it again on her face !


Like we deducted earlier Tia - if one gets rewarded for all his mistakes all the time it's human tendency to repeat them. Dev had been rewarded ever since the time he broke up and stalked Sona - both worst kind of craps, so these are nothing in front of those items.


Before marriage, I really thought Dev is attracted to Sonakshi Bose as a confident, free-thinking, gold-hearted and independent woman who always has a better approach to everything, whose maturity and strength is beyond questionable. But post marriage all I see is Dev trying to suppress her happy-go-lucky nature, destroy her confidence, doubting her way of dealing things and demanding apology for her maturity 😕. I am confused as a whole where Devakshi landed post-marriage. Sona has proved that her way of dealing things and reading people are far ahead of Dev's (i.e. Neha's wedding lehenga, Sona's not accepting another job offer during the dance episode, Sona's catching Ishwari's not-being-ready for Devakshi in numerous occasions) and Dev has been well aware of that. How many times does she have to prove herself before the GREAT Dixits can even THINK of including her thoughts into their lifestyle ? I was happy the way Niki told everyone today that Sona is the only one who knows how to have FUN and Ishwari's expression was spot on ! Niki couldn't have spoken truer words 👏 I am really clueless if Dev married Sonakshi Bose to turn her into a hesitant, low self-esteem and less confident lifeless woman ? Where is that Dev who used to be proud of her sense of self-respect ? Where is that Dev who idolized Sona's values and yearned to learn FROM her ? Where is that Dev who would LISTEN to Sona's point of views RESPECTFULLY and thought over those ? I can't digest this arrogant, bossy manchild who refuses to grow up time and again !
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sonakshi is one thing poor Dev wanted for himself, only himself.
So she should spend her days coochie cooing with him loving him and making him happy. Why is she trying to go against her job description and interfere in other jobs. This is not the way things are supposed to behave.

What else can poor Dev do except get frustrated. He has clearly tried to explain the job to her several times. Leave for office early on the morning, come back late, shower me with a lot of love and attention, make me feel happy and special. On Sundays as a reward I can take you to meet your family or for a dinner if there is no drama going on in my family.

But it is Sonakshi who is acting weird.

When she is the only thing Dev baby ever asked for himself is why is the thing trying to act out of its place.
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You know I get quite mad when people try to justify something wrong using excuses of reality or tradition. After all if the reality is gender bias and tradition is dowry, you'd want it to change, no?

However, what you mentioned about Dev is something I have seen happening. One of my friends who had a Masters in Economics and was the youngest Head of the department of Mathematics at a convent in Kolkata, fell in love with a very well-educated and so-called modern man.

They had been friends for a long time so I'd say that they knew each other very well. However, the moment they got engaged, the guy started to ask question like would she continue to work after marriage because he would like a wife who supports his career but doesn't have her own, his mother prefers traditional woman so may be no more wearing jeans after marriage, oh and they don't celebrate Bhai dooj so she can't celebrate it after marriage even if her family celebrates it etc etc.

There was a list of what she has to change in herself and her lifestyle to be worthy of his love. I got this frantic phone call in Canada and she went on and on how she needs advice. I told her that if she wants to be that person on the list, that's only then she should go through this marriage. Otherwise, dump him pronto because if he wants to change everything about her, then he needs a moldable doll, not a human being. He needed an educated arm candy at business parties who will have no identity, no self except be a reflection of himself.

She decided to break up with the guy. But in my wedding she doesn't show up with an excuse of her grandmother being sick. I was left wondering what's going on. One year later she marries the same guy which I found out from a mutual friend which basically leaves me in shock. But I wish her well even though I knew that our friendship is over. I won't have judged her had she come clean. After all it's her life. I never asked her to break up. I just asked her if and how much she is willing to change herself to make love worth the price? But what I don't appreciate is being lied too.

I think if you think you can't be honest in a relationship then you don't have trust in that relationship to stand by you regardless and without trust, nothing can last forever let alone friendship which only stands on trust alone.

One year later (two years after my wedding) the same mutual friend informs me that she got divorced. I did not contact her again because I don't think I can ever go back to the friendship we left behind. However I hoped she made the right choice for her when she gave up on everything she believed in for love. But regardless how beautiful love is, when conditions get applied, it becomes a deal and one-sided business deals are rarely as wonderful without some give or take from both sides.



Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Tia you are right. If you have seen there is a constant progress in the negative side of Dev's character -

During Vicky's track, he did the right thing - discussed with his educated and working wife and took her suggestions. However, due to family pressure he turned his back to her later on and started his 'you won't understand' nonsense. But then, Sona gave him a resort night.


Then during Honeymoon track, he changed his decision without discussing with her AGAIN and this time didn't bother to even TALK to her about that. Showing up frustration and shouting at his disorganized room was all he had to do. Voila, Sona is in his arms.


And then the small ego grows into elephant size today and Dev finally SPOKE those precious words - I don't have to discuss every single thing with you before deciding something about my family .. The very same words Ishwari has spoken during Vicky's incident.


Life takes a full circle here 😊. I dont understand why Sona doesn't feel bad about that statement time and again ? Had she protested this statement of Ishwari 3 weeks back, today I dare Dev say it again on her face !


Like we deducted earlier Tia - if one gets rewarded for all his mistakes all the time it's human tendency to repeat them. Dev had been rewarded ever since the time he broke up and stalked Sona - both worst kind of craps, so these are nothing in front of those items.


Before marriage, I really thought Dev is attracted to Sonakshi Bose as a confident, free-thinking, gold-hearted and independent woman who always has a better approach to everything, whose maturity and strength is beyond questionable. But post marriage all I see is Dev trying to suppress her happy-go-lucky nature, destroy her confidence, doubting her way of dealing things and demanding apology for her maturity 😕. I am confused as a whole where Devakshi landed post-marriage. Sona has proved that her way of dealing things and reading people are far ahead of Dev's (i.e. Neha's wedding lehenga, Sona's not accepting another job offer during the dance episode, Sona's catching Ishwari's not-being-ready for Devakshi in numerous occasions) and Dev has been well aware of that. How many times does she have to prove herself before the GREAT Dixits can even THINK of including her thoughts into their lifestyle ? I was happy the way Niki told everyone today that Sona is the only one who knows how to have FUN and Ishwari's expression was spot on ! Niki couldn't have spoken truer words 👏 I am really clueless if Dev married Sonakshi Bose to turn her into a hesitant, low self-esteem and less confident lifeless woman ? Where is that Dev who used to be proud of her sense of self-respect ? Where is that Dev who idolized Sona's values and yearned to learn FROM her ? Where is that Dev who would LISTEN to Sona's point of views RESPECTFULLY and thought over those ? I can't digest this arrogant, bossy manchild who refuses to grow up time and again !

Edited by tia.o - 9 years ago
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And there lies the problem. Dev, just like his mother, is treating Sonakshi like a thing, a toy which was brought in Dixit house as his amusement purpose only as Dev's consolation prize for never asking anything for himself or lifetime achievement award for outstanding service to family.

Unfortunately that toy got the delusion of being a life of partner. So obviously Dev has to put her back in her place - his bedroom. That's her place and that's where she should stay.

Truly whoever thought that wife has any rights to demand joint decision or MUTUAL understanding. There should be understanding only on her side towards him. Why should a husband has to waste his understanding on his wife?

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Sonakshi is one thing poor Dev wanted for himself, only himself.

So she should spend her days coochie cooing with him loving him and making him happy. Why is she trying to go against her job description and interfere in other jobs. This is not the way things are supposed to behave.

What else can poor Dev do except get frustrated. He has clearly tried to explain the job to her several times. Leave for office early on the morning, come back late, shower me with a lot of love and attention, make me feel happy and special. On Sundays as a reward I can take you to meet your family or for a dinner if there is no drama going on in my family.

But it is Sonakshi who is acting weird.

When she is the only thing Dev baby ever asked for himself is why is the thing trying to act out of its place.

Edited by tia.o - 9 years ago

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