Originally posted by: lghosh
I see that u really liked it. I did too specially the last segment but I had issues with the rest of the episode.
yeah. yeah, i did. i know we're not told much 'bout what these two have agreed to do together... but whatever it is, their resolve was soooo put to the test yesterday! 😆
Infact I was noticing it for the last 3 days that Prem has changed in some way. This break of the story with Prem's disappearance & his reappearance has somehow broken that thread of continuity, of consistency. We see a more ruthless, daring, hard, wrathful, unconcerned, pitiless, unsympathetic Prem compared to what we had earlier - a mellow, soft, caring, consoling, giving, forgiving, sacrificing Prem. I think the treatment of tough love that he practised y'day on Harman would never have been followed earlier by the old Prem. He forgave Harman twice & Veera once when they were dubious about his intentions.
wow. that's a tough set of adjectives for prem... me? like i said (at the end of the bt,lt in case you didn't see it 😆) i agree there's something different 'bout prem -- a sense of disquiet. a whiff of unrest.
but ruthless as something new in prem? me, i've always thought that prem had to have a ruthless part of him. is inevitable if you're supposed to be a ''successful'' businessman. remember his speech at the boty awards function? i thought that the prem giving the speech with stiff jaw, and struggling to keep his tears at bay at his father's treatment, was beautifully done -- 'cause it had part of the ''tough businessman'' in him showing.
remember the prem who without question trusted his manager and decided heer should be fired? or the guy who got his secretary and his ''assistant'' to get after muckmeet? that is not a soft, caring, sacrificing prem. the only place that place has been all forgiving, all patient (don't quite agree with the mellow bit either) was with his family. prem's family was his all. but i got the feeling that outside of it -- well, that he could be quite ruthless.
somehow i never got ''hard'' from prem, i think? *funny no, how i think hard is fundamentally different and worse than ruthless? 😆 but i do* and i definitely never thought of prem as unsympathetic. or pitiless. *how could we ever have had the ''tumhare ankhon mein itna dard kyun hai?" moment?? 😍* and i don't think i get that from today's prem either? 😕
but daring? yes. and ruthless. yes. i guess i don't see very much in prem today that is different from the prem of yesterday (if we consider that there was a prem yesterday who was different with the outside world). i know that hip-hop was anti-prem. but even hip-hop never came across as ''hard'', or ''unsympathetic'' or ''pitiless''. personally, i don't think of a focus on making money, or drinking alcohol, or focussing on having a good time as ''hard''?
btw, one of the things that i'm convinced 'bout is that - whether or not he actually lost his memory or was pretending - prem does remember being hip-hop! if he was pretending, then he must've spent a lot of time perfecting being hip-hop. if he actually had lost his memory, then regaining 'em will not remove the hip-hop that he has been from his head. so i think we should expect to see a new prem -- one who has traces of hip-hop in him! no, no, seriously think 'bout it -- isn't that inevitable? that just 'cause he's come back into his prem juneja role, he will have totally shifted out of hip-hop?? no, that'd not be possible!
in fact, that (imho) would be one of the things that prem is now struggling with! the memory and awareness of being prem, having always been prem - and the memory and awareness of having been hip-hop! how can we then expect that prem will be exactly like old prem? 'cause hip-hop was (truly!) the antithesis of prem! in his movements. in his speech. in his dressing. so from now on, there will have to be a bit of hip-hop in whatever we see of prem. anything else will be ...unnatural?
basically? other than ... *really! i can't think of a better word in my mind that explains what's different in prem!* this disquiet of his soul, a restlessness (is that the same as ''unrest''?) i don't get the sense that this prem is different from old prem. i think that is what makes him articulate so much of his internal feelings with heer -- which he didn't ever have to before. he says i love you, and thank you. and coming from old prem it feels weird. but this is new prem.
if that causes discomfort, then ..i'm afraid it'll have to be so. 'cause we lost a prem on 10/02 - i think we got back that prem plus his new bunny-on-fleas avatar... 😆 and no matter how hard prem tries, he's always gonna have some fleas 'round on him, i'm afraid. 🤣 my only problem is that the fleas will probably transfer to heer as well... somehow, i don't feel as happy 'bout that... 🤣
i dunno. i guess i didn't get anything fundamentally bad 'bout hip-hop *other than being very very silly and very very anti-prem in his look-and-feel... * but down-down? he came across as a decent guy. the only place where he jarred (to me) was that he had prem's face - and he didn't recognise heer! and there, i think that i think the only way prem wouldn't recognise heer - soul to soul, touch to touch - is... *sigh* if he was pretending. either 'cause he was desperately hurt and misunderstanding something 'bout the family and his heer (😲 which boggles my mind but which is one of the what-if scenarios i drew out in some old bt,lt.. last week?) . or that he has a good reason for distancing himself from her. some reason where he might have wanted heer to push for that quick marriage with the rat? some reason where he wanted to escalate matters? i dunno... everyone assures me that the creatives do not have the brain to have such a smart story play out. but... hey! they gave us ''kyunki mein tumsey pyar karta hoon!'' and ''aaj sey duniya aur heer kay beech mein khada hoon..''
so ... i guess i'm w&w for them to actually tell us what prem is all about today, more than what i can see and understand on the screen? 😆
What I felt today was both Prem & Heer were acting it out! Either the creatives don't know the essence of our Premeer or the director's instructions is all wrong or HC is bringing a new angle to Prem.
well, here i suspect that the creatives are not the only people involved? both hc/ag have the essence of prem-heer - and i'd think they'd plug in for missing creative intelligence? they certainly did on 02/16!! *running to get a glass of water at the memory of phhandooh#3..!*
Moreover today in the kitchen when he wore the apron & the 'supposed' chef's hat I clearly saw Gaurav there not our shy, reserve Prem of old times.
which imho is consistent, i think... it's the hip-hop part showing up. 😊 and in this prem-avatar, hip-hop makes me giggle. me likes, actually... 😆
the wish list of ur wtf I had already written in form of questions I wanted answers for in ur 13th Feb bt lt but i guess I was a little too late in responding.
missed that - must go back and check it out..
they looks conscious in acting as Prem-Heer & if that is the case I have major problem.
well, maybe i am thinking 'bout it too much and looking for too many complicated ways to forgive a shoddy script. but i thought like this:
prem's come back to heer after having been hip-hop for ...nearly a year? he's fighting to get back from hip-hop into prem. heer (as always) gives him space. part of it, is not forcing herself on him in this delicate state. *🤣 omg, that sentence implies sooo much role reversal,it's not funny!🤣* and if - as i believe - that prem has confessed to heer that he had deliberately stayed away for some i-was-feeling-hurt or some i-have-a-good-anti-ratpal reason, then heer would've looked him straight in the eye and told him that he has caused huge amounts of hurt and dislocation. and he doesn't get to be "with her" until he sets it all right.
personally, i think it might be interesting to imagine how prem and heer would behave if such a conversation was what they had that night after they got married. i don't think they'd be as comfortable with touching each other as the old prem-heer. i think they'd be feeling the tremendous pressure of not being able to touch each other. not because of some silly rule of society. but because of their own personal principles! they'd be (both!) dying to fall ontop of each other. and yet, forcing themselves not to? hmm... i think i should stop thinking here... smits says i can make her head spin. my own head is spinning just now.. uh.. how 'bout you? 😆
basically, i agree that prem is kinda different. i don't find him that different. i don't think that having come back to being prem will mean he can perfectly shrug off hip-hop. and heer? heer is now - a married woman. and as vandana and svetlana have been pointing out -- apparently married women (traditional ones) behave differently after marriage. heer is prem-heer-are-one enough in my mind for me not to feel any discomfort in what i saw yesterday. i like this new heer -- this married, open-ownership-of-prem attitude heer. and i guess not knowing ag, i can't tell if she's more like her. what i remember of ag is that she laughs a lot, and talks a lot. and heer is neither of these - at least not yet, not as far as i can tell!
I know they r awkward in staying all alone by themselves & was trying their level best to let their mind of to other constructive things other than themselves but still felt something was missing.
*sigh* i just thought of that as ... adjustment blues? i think it ought to be there - from prem. and i like that heer looks like she's overextending herself to help him.. basically, i guess i don't really feel much missing... mebbe i'm still reeling under the power of phhandooh#3. if that happened, then i do not doubt prem-heer-(the original ones)-are-one at all... 😆
I love this new Heer but I was a little shocked listening to the tone of her voice when she questioned him about Harman.
and me? i loved it! i loved how heer used to question prem when they were in courtship mode. now that they are married, and she's got him forever, i love how she questions prem now! i love how she told him she can't eat his food. i .. um ... despise women characters who take any old thing from husbands - 'cause that is the way it is, kinda thing. i really never figured it before (like the second generation "good wife" characters in kyunki... bleagh!!!). and i don't think i can ever figure out how that is acceptable. me? i like attitude heer. and .. i think prem does too... ☺️
And now Prem is thankful to her, when did he become so formal?
yeah, this is leftover hip-hop-i-don't-know-heer mode, i think..... prem handling transition. *shrug* it jars in my head too. but i don't feel that it is ... implausible? *is that a word?*
U know what my wish to all the list of wishes would be, please, pretty pls, make them talk with their eyes for as long as possible, whenever possible instead of using their vocal chords. They simply excel & sizzle in this, nobody can ever beat them in this regard!
heh! i made this wish a long time ago. in fact, after prem-heer-are-one was first established and they left the jzoo, my first and most violent fear was they would stop talking with their eyes, and start using their vocal cords. of course, immediately after that came the most potent prem-heer eye conversations ever in the world, where i had to start hating prem. and my fears were silenced forever. 🤣 *thinking* y'know? i think you've hit the nail on the head though! the most important thing that prem has to do in his transition is to remember that though! 'cause heer is doing it perfectly *gosh, what beautiful eyes heer has!* it's prem that's forgotten and is messing up! 😆
U know what it reminded me of, Destiny's Prem there, I could so imagine Smitha's Prem looking like that!
😆 y'know? i don't think of destiny's prem as the show's prem? 😆
And yes I wish for all the wishes & questions about Prem's disappearance to be answered for the peace of my mind, to put in all the pieces to the puzzle to make the storyline devoid of any inaccuracies. "Amen" to that!
er... my amen too? *isn't amen what you say to a prayer or something?*
How could I forget Oh thou preetstess of the Lord Preet, the Meet segment!
yeah, wasn't it brilliant? seriously could live on segments like that - even with minimal prem-heer exposure.. meet are seriously cool...
Anupamaa
