Churning of the Ocean; note on pg 15 - Page 12

Originally posted by: al_pal

tamy the path chosen by cvs is wrong one ,no war is justified .kings went to war and it was brutal not just this one ,every one went to war so why Akbar is inhuman for this war . He never stopped expanding his kingdom ,what ek going to show for other wars .reason behind him being brutal in this war is wrong ,he didn't become saint after salim's birth .

For jodha I understand up to the point that he is venting his anger in wrong way but why suddenly rajvanshi became so important ,in pre cap she is saying that clouds has taken color of rajvanshis ,what about mugal soldiers ,so many died in that war ,was their blood white . Man loss was great on both sides but why there is so much focuse upon rajvanshi.

Originally posted by: tamy267

thing is, the reason of the war is wrong...it is for personal loss...wars r waged for empire expansion or to win a state..but this time its for to sooth Jalal's heart for the loss of his sons..to take revenge..its like mera baccha margaya toh main sabko mardunga...so definitely it is wrong..wars aise nahi hote...wars have some ethics too, they have some rules...aap aise hi sabko dhara dhar maar nahi sakte.

yes, even Mughal soldiers too died in the war but CVs wanted to depict Rajvanshis died in huge number compare to Mughals.

even in this state he said that he going for war because talks failed so war was imminent ,so how it became anuchit ,see what I am trying to say and I am sure no of rajvanshis increased because tradition too like jhuhar .

Tamy meri behena ... great , balanced POV as always 🤗

If Jalal has already disconnected with God, there is no doubt he is behaving like this

And I am just not sure I can compare Jodha relatively for moving on ... as she shows her pain differently than Jalal and the drivers of pain our different

I would again fault the JA dialogues- because they made the issue Rajvanshi vs. Mughal khoon- the point was taking revenge on innocent people or being more harsh than needed on enemies ... and that would have been more sensitive

Given the current world environment, it just doesn't sound right ... and I had the same issue when they kept using the phrase Rajvanshi in the skirmish that happened right after Ruq's MC

It is unnecessary ... it could have been as simple as - the enemies have hurt me too much - now I am going to lash back at all my enemies

And when God didn't care about my innocent children, I am not going to care about innocent people as well

And we would have gotten to the same destination without the other overtones we got

Originally posted by: tamy267

Here in the show Ekta is trying to justify the war using child death trump card so that audience can understand where Jalal is coming from...somewhere he looked fool today...coz the reason was not justifiable..! khair I am trying to make points out of his behavior.

why only killing Rajvanshis when the Mughals killed his sons...? I guess it is not Rajvanshis particularly but those who r against him and r rebelling..those who refused to come under his control..and unfortunately they r Rajvanshis.

this Jalal has lost all his senses...like he said in warfield it is only jaanwars...no human no God...and only the lion wins...

he is trying to be a jaanwar at this time...

when he openly challenged Allah u could see what he is actually trying to prove..his all the anger is for Almighty...he will take away the lives coz Allah didnt save his sons lives...he is not ready to accept the reality that life n death r predetermined...one cannot change the destiny...u cannot make him udnerstand morals now..kyukii woh uss halat mein nahi hai ab.

dehshat mein aake bahut galat karraha hai woh...bahut galat...those thousands of soldiers going to die coz of Shehenshah's personal loss...!!! this is brutal and insane! lekin iss waqt ussko sahi-galat samajh nahi araha...he is causing himself more pain rather healing it..this destruction will make him repent badly one day..probably repentance wont be enough for him...darkness cannot be removed by darkness...it needs light.

I dont know how will he come back to senses..how will he realize what blunder he is doing...what cruelty he is being an example of...kya bolu main...I feel pity on him at this moment...he probably is evilly smiling looking at sky but I can see the fire of pain burning inside his heart...when he will realize his severe mistake what will he do? this thought horrifies me...knowing Jalal, its going be very very heart-wrenching...Jalal ke repentance bahut taqleefbhara hota hai..iss bar toh he is crossing all the limits of brutality..

khair, Jodha shone today like yesterday...I am so proud of her that she didnt lose her cool...Jalal is still there where his sons died..he didnt move even a bit...Jodha did and with dignity...he transformed his pain into rage but she accepted the reality and trying to make things better like before...

she is doing every possible thing which can stop war or help the soldiers at warfield...hats off to her...kudos to her.

Tamy just responded above ... realized I forgot to reply to the post

Originally posted by: divyavm

Tamy meri behena ... great , balanced POV as always 🤗

If Jalal has already disconnected with God, there is no doubt he is behaving like this

And I am just not sure I can compare Jodha relatively for moving on ... as she shows her pain differently than Jalal and the drivers of pain our different

I would again fault the JA dialogues- because they made the issue Rajvanshi vs. Mughal khoon- the point was taking revenge on innocent people or being more harsh than needed on enemies ... and that would have been more sensitive

Given the current world environment, it just doesn't sound right ... and I had the same issue when they kept using the phrase Rajvanshi in the skirmish that happened right after Ruq's MC

It is unnecessary ... it could have been as simple as - the enemies have hurt me too much - now I am going to lash back at all my enemies

And when God didn't care about my innocent children, I am not going to care about innocent people as well

And we would have gotten to the same destination without the other overtones we got

Originally posted by: al_pal

even in this state he said that he going for war because talks failed so war was imminent ,so how it became anuchit ,see what I am trying to say and I am sure no of rajvanshis increased because tradition too like jhuhar .

I am feelingbad because reason shown us wrong nothing more than that .

Guys, I am really sorry I did not have the opportunity to respond to all your posts ... Very busy day at work and given the turn of events today not sure if I will be able to respond to all of them ... But some beautifully written posts and you know I have read it if I have hit a like.

BTW, this is a classic example of how CVs listen to what we want ... We wanted a war track and look how we get it 😆

What to say about today s epi, Divs . And Jodhu begum s excessive jaap of the 'R' word 😕 . And the senseless dialogues for everyone 😕 . So much illogicality, so much character inconsistency, too much negativity & mostly meaningless tracks. The CVs have steadily spoiled their own creation in their race for TRPs

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Mishti, be prepared to hear more of it. Mughal Jalal is going to have his enlightment at Chittor seeing some Rajwanshi act of heroism or rather, heroinism and come running to his Rajwanshi begum to sob at the re-discovery of his Mughal dil and ask for Mughal muaafis and the Rajwanshi begum's magnanimity in forgiving the Mughal sinner because she is a Rajvanshi and it is the duty of every Rajvanshi wife to forgive her husband, whether Rajvanshi or Mughal.

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😆😆😆..maafi to mangega hi anuchit karya jo kar ke aaya hai in mughaliya ishtyle😆