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Posted: 11 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: elasingh

mansi I just was watching repeat of JA...did you see in the lep scene Jallu asked Ruku to snach lep from Jo by by his eyes...It was not Ruku on her own...


OMG, I never noticed that! My God, that means he is doing this deliberate needling of Jodha via Ruq. That may be why he also said that dialogue when giving back Jo's room to her. So in a strange way it shows that he is not in favour of Ruq either. he is using Ruq to get at Jodha because of anger at Jodha!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jshweta16

The precap seems to echo the promo ... so is t a dream or real?

I had a long phone chat with Ela on whether the promo looked like a dream or was for real. Yesterday the same promo (with the addition of Jalal in a sera and Ben in shaadi clothes) reappeared as a precap. The precap yesterday was also a little more elaborate on the dialogues than the promo was. But still the question of whether it is a dream or for real seems to persist. So I'd love to know everybody's view on this!

The arguments that Ela put forth to me on why it could be a dream are that:

1. It looks too silly for Ben to be trying to finish off Jalal in the nikaah ka hall with a pyala of sevaiyan! Would she try to do her great assassination act in this way? How would she then flee from a hall thronged with people? What if Jalal had refused the sevaiyan? What if the maulvi had not introduced that pyala ka rasam at all?

A lovely post, Mansi ! I am happy you came up with all your positivity and such a fine take on an otherwise filler episode. As for Ben's silliness even I'm skeptical why would she take such drastic step and risk herself. But if we look at the precap, Adham is damn angry and Benazir is scared to death! What does it show ? Maybe Adham is ready with his henchmen to cut down the heads of Jalal's men as there will be Afratafri after Jalal's supposed death and before Jalal's men comes to their sense his men will hallabol and Atgah and company's priority will be to save the ladies along with fighting this sudden attack. By this time Benazir can easily escape from the secret route or on the horse we saw in her pic. Why will Jalal refuse Savaiyan ? If this is any rasam before/after nikah as per muslim rituals then he has to follow it as per Kazi's orders.

2. After all the insults and ill-treatment of Jodha, would this pyala act of saving by Jodha be so heroic as to make all the "Rajputs proud" (as Zee is supposed to have said)? All of us having been waiting foor that mega-save by Jodha so somehow this pyala route seems too tame by comparison to, say, an attemppted biite by Ben that Jodha takes on behalf of Jalal?

This Vish Ka Pyala act is just to prove Hamida's words that the one who loves you as her shauhar and not as a Shehenshah, will end your loneliness and you will find your sharik-e-hayat in her. I do not think this is to make Rajput's proud as Jodha's dialogues were clearly focusing on her considering him "Pati" and not a "Shehenshah" for whom the Rajvanshi's have always been loyal. I feel the damage done to Amer Clan by showing the eloping scandal can never heal Rajput's wounds as it was an utterly insulting thing to be shown and I don't know how CVs going to bridge the gap between Jalal and Amerians.

3. Another point that Ela stressed to me is that while Jalal should see the greatness of Jodha, he should also simultaneously see the hollowness of Ruq and Maham (which again Zee implied he would). So in that case, if Ben were shaping for a feral bite, and Ruq and Maham fled in haste from the scene, leaving Jodha to save Jalal by taking the bite ... in one stroke, Jodha would look like his true loyalist while the colours of both Ruq and Maham would run in the wash.

Maham's smirk in precap shows like her even Ruqu will believe this is another drama of Jodha to stop the wedding unless and until she is unconscious and turns blue/green. Ben will not dare to bite Jalal during nikah ceremony, as he is physically stronger than her(😕) and can easily push her away if she attacks. It has to be the Vish Ka Pyala which will show its effect slowly so that nobody doubts her.

When Ela told me all these points I felt convinced that the "pyala" route to saving Jalal did sound inferior to the "bite" route we were all hoping to see! But again there was one reason why Jodha could opt for the pyala route:

1. She even told Ben that she admired that other Rajvanshi Meerabai who consumed that "halaahal ka pyala" and set the benchmark for demonstration of utter and unshakeable love and loytalty. So maybe by that yardstick, Jodha would still believe herself utterly heroic if she too did the pyala act? Thus it would not be a scene that we viewers thought of as the most dramatic save of Jalal, but in Jodha's mind it may be the most dramatic "Meera-bai-ish" kind of heroism that inspires her (and makes the Rajputs proud!)?

I think Jodha is not aware of this sharing Savaiyan rasam before nikah (It was not done during her nikah with Jalal and there was no other muslim wedding she has attended yet) and hence she must be thinking Ben will attack Jalal on their first night instead of before nikah as per sharif cuz seeing Benazir doing nothing will relieved her a bit. But when she sees kaazi asking Jalal to drink from the same bowl of Benazir then she gets restless and nervous and in such a crucial moment she has no option but to take the pyala herself if she wants to see her pati alive. I feel it will be more like a sudden fear of losing him which makes her anxious and not a before thought.

Okay, after seeing yesterday's precap there are two personal reasons why it looks to me like the precap was not a dream.

1. Jalal is in his sera, and Ben in her shaadi ka joda, so there is more of a feel of a nikaah in progress here. The precap thus looks more real than the promo did.

No its not a dream, and it shouldn't be! This couple needs to realise and confess they love each other.

2. Jodha gives a parting dialogue whhich she didn't in the promo. She says "Okay if I must do this to save you I will. And if I never open my eyes after this, let me take leave of all of you." And then she drinks the poison and falls unconscious! Jalal is shocked, but unlike the promo he doesn't actually hold her.

So here we are again: the promo looked more symbolic of events, while the precap looked like an edit of the real events. I know many of you will have many different thoughts on this and I'd love to hear all the pros and cons on whether its was a dream or real ... do go on and record your points of view!

His words of not stepping inside her hojra even if she is breathing her last must be haunting her though she did not react when Moti consoled her. Her words had that sorrow and pain of bidding adieu forever which proves its not a dream of Benazir or anyone else. She drinks but she does not fall in precap, it was hardly of 30 secs! she is getting unconscious but I feel he will catch her before she falls as shown in promo.


What immediately next ... I think Monday will be this shaadi and it may stop at the point where Jodha drinks the posion. Tuesday may see the grand remorse by Jalal, and the desperate attempts to save Jodha with antidote , while Ben tries to flee on a horse, and Mali tries to escape prison. Wednesday may see the spilling of all truth by Zakira (who has been captured), the awakening of Jodha and the TLC for her from Jalal, the capture and killing of Ben but the fleeing of Abul Mali. Thursday and Friday may see the return of Hakim and Mansingh, the capurure of Shivani and Tejwant, the unmasking of Maham via the Rahim paigam reading etc etc.

By the end of next week I expect (hope?) in some fashion that Jalal would see the purity and unspoken love of Jodha for himself, even as he begins to see the shallowness of Ruq and the treachery of Maham.

This is my prediction - and my wishlist!

Mansi, your wish list is quite long 😆 it will take more than 15 days for TLC and then the show will move towards the pending tracks! Maham is not going anywhere any soon and so is Adham.


Thanks Shweta for such a lovely reply. And you have really thought about it all. I agree more and more it does not look like the precap is a dream, but it is beginning to look to me like the whole pyala idea was Adham Khan who may have told the maulvis to include such a rasam. Reason: even if Ben thought of it, it seems a silly idea to try and kill Jalal by pyala poison without an escape route for ben. I think it may have been adham's idea to make that pyala poison rasm so that he could eliminate both jalal and ben in one stroke. What do you think?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice analysis Mansi
So much to happen
Eager to lnow really jodha going to drink that poison...
Waiting for Monday
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Posted: 11 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: skanda12

OMG, I never noticed that! My God, that means he is doing this deliberate needling of Jodha via Ruq. That may be why he also said that dialogue when giving back Jo's room to her. So in a strange way it shows that he is not in favour of Ruq either. he is using Ruq to get at Jodha because of anger at Jodha!

Yes I first watched it on tv then on net...It is true...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Thanks Shweta for such a lovely reply. And you have really thought about it all. I agree more and more it does not look like the precap is a dream, but it is beginning to look to me like the whole pyala idea was Adham Khan who may have told the maulvis to include such a rasam. Reason: even if Ben thought of it, it seems a silly idea to try and kill Jalal by pyala poison without an escape route for ben. I think it may have been adham's idea to make that pyala poison rasm so that he could eliminate both jalal and ben in one stroke. What do you think?


Mansi, its possible! Maulavis were already against Jalal's visiting temple and not asking Jodha to convert. Though Salim Chisti's message stopped them we were shown some of them were spreading rumours against Jalal. Adham may provoke these maulavis and ask them to add this rasam as Adia already mentioned such feeding each other rasm always comes after nikah! so including it before wedding must be Adham's plan and Jalal will not refuse or object to it as Maulavis saying it but he is planning to kill Ben tadpa tadpa ke 😆 so he is fooling her by assuring her her escape and Mali's freedom but by the time she tries to flee his men will arrest her and brings her back to him once he is done with claiming the throne by killing the otherwise dumb Atgah and his men.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Yes I first watched it on tv then on net...It is true...

Ela, yes, I just saw it online myself just now! OMG, OMG!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Madhuri53

Nice analysis Mansi

So much to happen
Eager to lnow really jodha going to drink that poison...
Waiting for Monday

Yes, indeed fingers crossed for Monday! Till then what to do? Twiddling my thumbs!😆😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jshweta16


Mansi, its possible! Maulavis were already against Jalal's visiting temple and not asking Jodha to convert. Though Salim Chisti's message stopped them we were shown some of them were spreading rumours against Jalal. Adham may provoke these maulavis and ask them to add this rasam as Adia already mentioned such feeding each other rasm always comes after nikah! so including it before wedding must be Adham's plan and Jalal will not refuse or object to it as Maulavis saying it but he is planning to kill Ben tadpa tadpa ke 😆 so he is fooling her by assuring her her escape and Mali's freedom but by the time she tries to flee his men will arrest her and brings her back to him once he is done with claiming the throne by killing the otherwise dumb Atgah and his men.

Indeed yes Shweta, thesemaulvis seem to be eminently "buyable"!😲😲😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Yes I first watched it on tv then on net...It is true...



OMG I will now watch again. In that case the vish paan by Jodha has to be true, ONLY such drastic act will make Jalal get out of his current vicious mood.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Di...I will post my views on Sunday...I am down with flu due to the cold

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