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Posted: 3 years ago
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Few years ago, I used to watch a show on MTV.

The ML is a lost child of separated parents whose support system is his band of friends. He is their “saviour” in every situation and they look up to him for help. So they are his priority.

FL is like Sai- lost parents, self righteous and white character.

ML is head over heels in love with her but when it comes to priorities, she takes a back seat, which is her insecurity.

At a crucial moment in the story when she brings it up , his response is - My friends are my family. They have only me. I have to take care of them. And so I need to be there for them .

She asks - then what about me

To which he says - You are my strength & support and I look up to you to take care of me. You are my saviour.

It was a poignant moment in the show.

Virat is similar to this character.

In his head, He has to take care of his family as they need him. Sai is capable and doesn’t need him. But he needs Sai to take care of him and support him. Its a selfish thought but thats how hs brain operates.

One line he said before she walks out sums this up - Mein apna parivar nahin chod sakta. Unfortunately, Paki is also now part of my family.

He was indirectly telling her- But only you can take care of me and so I need you Sai

But Virat being jilebi Chavan will never express properly.

Communication is not Sairat’s forte anyway 🙄

Disclaimer- I am not supporting other horrible things he said or did to Sai. And definitely not marrying Paki, who is root cause of all issues

Just trying to understand Virat’s complexity

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Posted: 3 years ago
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The new writers are of kaira track of yrkkh...if they are writing similar to vedika track we will get virat pinning for sai and baby girl savi...hope they don't show sai slapped by ashwini...naira too was welcomed by slap only...there too they were high on vedika jaap...how she donated her kidney and karthik was trying to move on.....later turned her negative ...

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Posted: 3 years ago
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But the problem is that V doesn't act as if his love is only reserved for Sai, the way his anger is. He goes above and beyond for criminals, immoral people like Sada, Shruti, PP but when it comes to his wife - she's supposed to "understand". After everything he did in surrogacu track- months of pain how was he expecting Sai to not leave if pp was around?!

His love is for all- family, friends, strangers, children and Sai is one of many. But anger is only for Sai.

when Sai did things like make a decision to stand by shivani, devi or meet ajinkya/aniket, or even give his gift to bk- he was wildly possessive, upset, jealous and angry. He over reacts all the time and is easily forgiven but when she does 10% of it he cant handle it.

This extreme behavior is toxic. But from a viewing standpoint it would still be ok if we saw Vs crazy, dedicated, shiddat love in all its glory. Bit reality is that he has been mute too often. So where's all that "love" he claims he has ?

The only gesture i loved was Virat Sai Chavan which was truly something that was unexpected, big demonstration of love, but now thats a faded memory....

I'd be more understanding of his anger if his love was also equally passionate

His love is very understated, so much that until Sai started to love him she never recognized his feelings or believed that he could see her as a wife.

His anger is a volcano and his love is a phuski bomb.

Thats the issue.

Yesterday his soul/imagination version says to Sai how he died a thousand deaths, how he felt hopeless, how he was waiting to die to be reunited with her - have we really seen that depth of feeling from him to justify such claims?

They rushed the post Sai death to literally 5 min scenesm one of him screaming Sai and collapsing and then sadly doing a hawan. And even now post leap his nostalgia about Sai is force-fitted. Not one scene of him just locking himself up and weeping! Not one scene of him talking out loud to her photo asking Sai to come back to him. Rather he's guilty and apologetic about thinking of her constantly.

When they omit all his love, longing, passion on what basis is the audience supposed to root for him, feel for him?!

They may now show a few FBs of it in upcoming episodes but i just know that its gonna be rushed.... Its all an after thought. They've missed the bus. Adding a FB or two now after we see him with pp-vinu even if its a complex weird relationship is not as impactful.... it looks like a lollipop.

Why didn't they spend 2 episodes at least on Sai death and Vs feelings?! Why rush it?! That was a huge deal! Even now look at all the times he remembers Sai.... Its so abrupt. Why not just show a solo scene of him in the bathroom weeping under the shower. Why not give a dream scene of V hallucinating Sai around him and breaking down when he realizes its fake. Why not show him listen to her voice in a recorded message she sent him.... Maybe a long ago voice note of her saying i love you.

When he regrets Sai leaving and him not stopping her he doesn't recall his harsh words. He told her she was an orphan, home breaker, a bojh....

I genuinely want to ask the people that are trying to find a defense or explanation for V or maybe even just trying to give him a chance because the story demands it- are you doing so because we all know Sairat is endgame and so convincing ourselves V loves Sai gives us all hope, or are you seeing any objective scenes to show this immense love/longing he has....

Because I also want to believe that he only loves Sai.that he craves for her. Sairat are soulmates. I want to see a happy family of 4, both of them successful professionally and personally being each other's cheerleaders. But what we get of V is SO underwhelming to me that when people say V is so passionate about Sai- I want to believe it but I cant!

Where are all the scenes to show this love V has for Sai.... The intensity is missing in love but is like 5x when he's angry!

I am not justifying him, and his actions, you would know I never will, have been a solo Sai stan for a long time who would prefer her solo journey but I felt this is one important facet of complex grey Virat which needs to be highlighted. A very important issue with many introverts growing up in toxic families, they would look polished from the looks but only their loved ones would actually know what they are actually.

And i agree with all the points you mentioned.

One reason could be Sai is his, His wife, his property (sorry for using this word but that's the patriarchal mindset).

Also i have seen men who are not that expressive of their love in words but in actions, but very expressive to show their disgust and anger. You have to understand their love, that's why they are misunderstood.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: xfiles

Few years ago, I used to watch a show on MTV.

The ML is a lost child of separated parents whose support system is his band of friends. He is their “saviour” in every situation and they look up to him for help. So they are his priority.

FL is like Sai- lost parents, self righteous and white character.

ML is head over heels in love with her but when it comes to priorities, she takes a back seat, which is her insecurity.

At a crucial moment in the story when she brings it up , his response is - My friends are my family. They have only me. I have to take care of them. And so I need to be there for them .

She asks - then what about me

To which he says - You are my strength & support and I look up to you to take care of me. You are my saviour.

It was a poignant moment in the show.

Virat is similar to this character.

In his head, He has to take care of his family as they need him. Sai is capable and doesn’t need him. But he needs Sai to take care of him and support him. Its a selfish thought but thats how hs brain operates.

One line he said before she walks out sums this up - Mein apna parivar nahin chod sakta. Unfortunately, Paki is also now part of my family.

He was indirectly telling her- But only you can take care of me and so I need you Sai

But Virat being jilebi Chavan will never express properly.

Communication is not Sairat’s forte anyway 🙄

Disclaimer- I am not supporting other horrible things he said or did to Sai. And definitely not marrying Paki, who is root cause of all issues

Just trying to understand Virat’s complexity

Whatever said and done but please don't compare my manik Malhotra with this jerk virat.manik was ,is and will always be class apart.manik love for nandini was beyond everything. He used to breath nandini. Yes he did choose dhruv over nandini.but he was the same guy who left his friends when nandini was in danger.he was the same guy who fought against the world to be with her.he never allowed anyone disrespecting his nandini.even his friends were not allowed to Crack a joke on her forget anything else.manan are synonym of love.

Sorry for my rant.but just cannot compare manik and nandini with virat and sai .

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Whatever said and done but please don't compare my manuk Malhotra with this jerk virat.manik was ,is and will always be class apart.manik love for nandini was beyond everything. He used to breath nandini. Yes he did choose dhruv over nandini.but he was the same guy who left his friends when nandini was in danger.he was the same guy who fought against the world to be with her.he never allowed anyone disrespecting his nandini.even his friends were not allowed to Crack a joke on her forget anything else.manan are synonym of love.

Sorry for my rant.but just cannot compare manik and nandini with virat and sai .

Thank you, i was trying to recollect the series par samajh nahi aa raha tha... KYY was a good show, i loved it

Manik, uff😳

Parth Samthaan☺️

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: UPSC2021

Whatever said and done but please don't compare my manik Malhotra with this jerk virat.manik was ,is and will always be class apart.manik love for nandini was beyond everything. He used to breath nandini. Yes he did choose dhruv over nandini.but he was the same guy who left his friends when nandini was in danger.he was the same guy who fought against the world to be with her.he never allowed anyone disrespecting his nandini.even his friends were not allowed to Crack a joke on her forget anything else.manan are synonym of love.

Sorry for my rant.but just cannot compare manik and nandini with virat and sai .

I was not comparing any story line or character of another show with Virat. I was only using that example to understand Virat, the character's complexity. Human mind is very complex and is not easy to understand, esp when there are shades of grey in them

Please dont worry and rant, I am not trying to defame anyone here! 😃

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: xfiles

Few years ago, I used to watch a show on MTV.

The ML is a lost child of separated parents whose support system is his band of friends. He is their “saviour” in every situation and they look up to him for help. So they are his priority.

FL is like Sai- lost parents, self righteous and white character.

ML is head over heels in love with her but when it comes to priorities, she takes a back seat, which is her insecurity.

At a crucial moment in the story when she brings it up , his response is - My friends are my family. They have only me. I have to take care of them. And so I need to be there for them .

She asks - then what about me

To which he says - You are my strength & support and I look up to you to take care of me. You are my saviour.

It was a poignant moment in the show.

Virat is similar to this character.

In his head, He has to take care of his family as they need him. Sai is capable and doesn’t need him. But he needs Sai to take care of him and support him. Its a selfish thought but thats how hs brain operates.

One line he said before she walks out sums this up - Mein apna parivar nahin chod sakta. Unfortunately, Paki is also now part of my family.

He was indirectly telling her- But only you can take care of me and so I need you Sai

But Virat being jilebi Chavan will never express properly.

Communication is not Sairat’s forte anyway 🙄

Disclaimer- I am not supporting other horrible things he said or did to Sai. And definitely not marrying Paki, who is root cause of all issues

Just trying to understand Virat’s complexity

Pardon me but marrying Pakhi can also be justified. He was in a vulnerable state then and made to feel guilty of choosing Sai as his love/ wife who according to Chavanese, is the cause of all his and their problems. So constant pressure from everyone (everyone is pro Pakhi and him again trying to make his family happy) could have made him marry her.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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but thats the thing na- he treats her like his property- she only belongs to him. only he has the right to her love but reciprocation wise he fails. He turns to her for care and support but when he should do the same for her, fail! and even something like her dying couldnt make him introspect on what drove her away. he says he regrets not stopping her but the minute she is alive you see that the regret is really because he lost Vinu not that he lost Sai. even after he has lost her he has found a way to justify why he should namesake marry PP but not considered how this is an insult to Sai's memory and to her last wish.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: nikita05

Pardon me but marrying Pakhi can also be justified. He was in a vulnerable state then and made to feel guilty of choosing Sai as his love/ wife who according to Chavanese, is the cause of all his and their problems. So constant pressure from everyone (everyone is pro Pakhi and him again trying to make his family happy) could have made him marry her.

Marrying Paki is unpardonable mistake. She was the reason his life was destroyed, lost his wife, son and it was his wife’s last wish not to let Paki into their house, forget about life! So the logic for that marriage had to be solid. Still waiting! 😀

Virat’s whole character goes down the drain if he was ok choosing Paki to “move on” , even if its a namesake shaadi. After doing all those kaands, this is the last thread that his character is hanging by.

If Vanku breaks that, then Virat and Sairat are dead, done and dusted!

Then Sai can either have a new ML or can have her own solo journey.

They have not destroyed Sai’s core up till now- small mercies!🙄

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Posted: 3 years ago
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The strength of V's love needed to be seen- he should have shown us that not only does he miss Sai and crave her and remember her on daily basis, he should be shown remembering WHY she left. The regret should be for what all he said/did to make her leave and not only about not stopping her from elaving- theres a fine and subtle difference. the point is V pnly regrets not stopping her. he has no realization about how he left Sai with no choice but to leave. He wouldnt need to stop her if he hadnt pushed her to leave. because if he realized and regretted the things that led her to leave- he'd never let everyone blame Sai for Vinu and herself dying, rather he'd also see Chavannis and PP as criminals and be angry that they mnaipulated him into saying/doing things that hurt Sai. If he had reflected on what made sai leave, he would never be able to tolerate PP in his life even if he "forgives" her- just like Sai's attitude to JM

Sai has "forgiven" him for her own peace of mind but she can never forget his actions and she can never trust him, see him as a friend. She acknowledges his reformation but thats it. She has banned his entry into her life and has drawn clear boundaries. Whereas V has not. If he had forgiven PP and even felt guilty that he somehow enabled her to lose her bearings and go nuts, he should have reacted by ensuring that she leaves CN and moves ahead in life. How can he trust her and allow her into their life again?! where is the distance....it makes no sense. The woman ruined Sai's life and Sai is dead- gone forever. he lost his wife and child and he still can tolerate her - and whats worse make her his wife now?!

Morever he knows that he should not complicate a shaadi by doing any compormise etc because eventually feelings get in the way -one sided or two sided

He has experienced it with Sai

Thats why V is unforgivable in my eyes.

He learnt NOTHING. No reflection. In all these years he has only felt guilty because Sai and Vinu died but not for WHY and HOW. And now Sai is alive and his guilt has also turned into Sai blame. amazing!

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