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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Opti




Well, this is the most ridiculous argument, that the child would have inherited the genes of the father and not the mother (Sorry no offense but couldn't help it). Many of the children in orphanages could be the product of a rapist or such social offenders. Do you mean to say that it would be dangerous to adopt a child from these orphanages because this child could have inherited the violent genes from the unknown parent? While certain characteristics can be inherited, much of character development takes place in the environment the child is brought up. I think Geet and Maan will make lovely parents and whatever kinky gene the child could have inherited from the father could well be modified by the upbringing.


As to her youth, there are many young mothers, Geet is an adult, not a minor. Nothing stops her from pursuing her education/career or whatever if she so wants to even after the birth of the child because she would have a support system (what better support system than a rock solid man like Maan?) I know of girls whom I studied with, who had early marriages while still studying, had babies too and still went on to finish post graduation and even M.Phils.



Opti, it is a "hypothetical" argument that was offered be it ridiculous or whatever. A woman may chose to abort a child based on any "n" number of criteria. That "n" or "n+1" number of criteria are something that we all may or even some of us may not be purview to. So why make a judgment call on that!

As I clarified in my reply to Ayesha (Cool Dude) GEET's reasons may be innumerable, and not necessarily the ones noted down by me or provided as hypothesis by me.

Whatever be the reasons, as per law she still is within the time frame to go for an abortion if she so chooses.

The question is "DO WE THINK SHE STILL HAS A CHOICE EVEN NOW?" or NOT?

Thanks,
Bri
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Posted: 15 years ago
#22

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Opti, it is a "hypothetical" argument that was offered be it ridiculous or whatever. A woman may chose to abort a child based on any "n" number of criteria. That "n" or "n+1" number of criteria are something that we all may or even some of us may not be purview to. So why make a judgment call on that!

As I clarified in my reply to Ayesha (Cool Dude) GEET's reasons may be innumerable, and not necessarily the ones noted down by me or provided as hypothesis by me.

Whatever be the reasons, as per law she still is within the time frame to go for an abortion if she so chooses.

The question is "DO WE THINK SHE STILL HAS A CHOICE EVEN NOW?" or NOT?

Thanks,
Bri



As to being judgmental, let me clarify I am not being judgmental, just pointing out how that argument really does not hold much merit. If it did, I guess many of the orphans would not find loving and happy homes.


I think I have already explained my stand as far as Geet is concerned. Whatever she has stood for till now would then be meaningless. For me it would kill her character, so it would kill the interest in the show. Character consistency, not only on this issue but in any other issue, is important for me to keep wanting to watch the show.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: Opti


As to being judgmental, let me clarify I am not being judgmental, just pointing out how that argument really does not hold much merit. If it did, I guess many of the orphans would not find loving and happy homes.

I think I have already explained my stand as far as Geet is concerned. Whatever she has stood for till now would then be meaningless. For me it would kill her character, so it would kill the interest in the show. Character consistency, not only on this issue but in any other issue, is important for me to keep wanting to watch the show.



Opti - I did not mean that you were being judgmental but that basing your judgment on my "poor hypothesis" is not worthy because we may not be purview to all the reasons that the CVs can show on screen or the reasons a woman might have in real life.

Regarding the part about consistency in the second paragraph, if I am reading it correct, if "THERE IS JUSTIFIABLE GROUNDS" though I am not aware of what those could be from my side or could even conceive of what those reasons might be at this point of time (or may be at any point of time) - so based on those JUSTIFIABLE GROUNDS - would you consider abortion as an option that would be still available for Geet - provided the grounds are justifiable and well conceived of course by the CVs.

Thanks,
Bri
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I still do not find any justifiable reasons for Geet especially after she put her life on line for the baby. Nothing can be bigger than that could it. So any reason they may come up with now would belittle her character.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Opti

I still do not find any justifiable reasons for Geet especially after she put her life on line for the baby. Nothing can be bigger than that could it. So any reason they may come up with now would belittle her character.



Interesting Opti! But we can never know what "creative" thinking the CVs can come up with if they chose to tread this path! I don't know what in real life or reel life could be "viable" grounds or "justifiable" grounds.

Some facts from the Merck dictionary: http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec22/ch257/ch257c.html

"Organ formation begins about 3 weeks after fertilization, when the embryo elongates, first suggesting a human shape. Shortly thereafter, the area that will become the brain and spinal cord (neural tube) begins to develop. The heart and major blood vessels begin to develop by about day 16 or 17. The heart begins to pump fluid through blood vessels by day 20, and the first red blood cells appear the next day."

Development of the Fetus and Placenta

At the end of the 8th week after fertilization (10 weeks of pregnancy), the embryo is considered a fetus. During this stage, the structures that have already formed grow and develop. The following are markers during pregnancy:

  • By 12 weeks of pregnancy: The fetus fills the entire uterus.
  • By about 14 weeks: The sex can be identified.
  • By about 16 to 20 weeks: Typically, the pregnant woman can feel the fetus moving. Women who have been pregnant before typically feel movements about 2 weeks earlier than women who are pregnant for the first time.
  • By about 24 weeks: The fetus has a chance of survival outside the uterus.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I also have one issue that I had with this CONCEPTION/PREGNANCY factor of how GEET got to know she was pregnant, is it in the first week or second week of her menstrual cycle?

For instance see what the Mayo Clinic says:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112

Weeks 1 and 2: Getting ready

It may seem strange, but you're not actually pregnant the first week or two of the time allotted to your pregnancy. Yes, you read that correctly!

Conception typically occurs about two weeks after your period begins. To calculate your due date, your health care provider will count ahead 40 weeks from the start of your last period. This means your period is counted as part of your pregnancy — even though you weren't pregnant at the time.

Week 3: Fertilization

The sperm and egg unite in one of your fallopian tubes to form a one-celled entity called a zygote. If more than one egg is released and fertilized, you may have multiple zygotes.

The zygote has 46 chromosomes — 23 from you and 23 from your partner. These chromosomes will help determine your baby's sex, traits such as eye and hair color, and, to some extent, personality and intelligence.

Soon after fertilization, the zygote travels down the fallopian tube toward the uterus. At the same time, it will begin dividing rapidly to form a cluster of cells resembling a tiny raspberry. The inner group of cells will become the embryo. The outer group of cells will become the membranes that nourish and protect it.

Week 4: Implantation

When the zygote — now known as a blastocyst — reaches your uterus, it will burrow into the uterine wall for nourishment. The placenta, which will nourish your baby throughout the pregnancy, also begins to form.

By the end of this week, you may be celebrating a positive pregnancy test.

Week 5: The embryonic period begins

The fifth week of pregnancy, or the third week after conception, marks the beginning of the embryonic period. This is when the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form.

The embryo is now made of three layers. The top layer — the ectoderm — will give rise to your baby's outermost layer of skin, central and peripheral nervous systems, eyes, inner ear, and many connective tissues.

Your baby's heart and a primitive circulatory system will form in the middle layer of cells — the mesoderm. This layer of cells will also serve as the foundation for your baby's bones, muscles, kidneys and much of the reproductive system.

The inner layer of cells — the endoderm — will become a simple tube lined with mucous membranes. Your baby's lungs, intestines and bladder will develop here.

By the end of this week, your baby is likely between 1/16 and 1/8 inch (1.5 to 3 millimeters) long — about the size of the tip of a pen.

Week 6: The neural tube closes

Growth is rapid this week. Just four weeks after conception, the neural tube along your baby's back is closing and your baby's heart is pumping blood.

Basic facial features will begin to appear, including passageways that will make up the inner ear and arches that will contribute to the jaw. Your baby's body begins to take on a c-shaped curvature. Small buds will soon become arms and legs.

By the end of this week, your baby may be 1/6 to 1/4 inch (4 to 6 millimeters) long.


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Posted: 15 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: bDgT



Interesting Opti! But we can never know what "creative" thinking the CVs can come up with if they chose to tread this path! I don't know what in real life or reel life could be "viable" grounds or "justifiable" grounds.

I sincerely hope the creatives dont come up with this bizarre track. Miscarriage is painful enough but a planned abortion would just kill the show for me. So for my own selfish reason of wanting to see Geet's character unmarred I wouldn't want the CVs to even think of such a thing. I hope to see the show being bold enough to show the entire journey into motherhood. Anyway since they are going in a snails space as far as this pregnancy is concerned (I think Geet may be about 8-10 weeks now), they can easily stretch the pregnancy to about a year. A track of Maan taking care of a pregnant Geet can be really heartwarming. There is also more scope to churn a lot more masala when the child arrives and Dev suddenly wants to stake his claim. How the two of them ward him off can be another new track. Possibilities are endless.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Opti

I sincerely hope the creatives dont come up with this bizarre track. Miscarriage is painful enough but a planned abortion would just kill the show for me. So for my own selfish reason of wanting to see Geet's character unmarred I wouldn't want the CVs to even think of such a thing. I hope to see the show being bold enough to show the entire journey into motherhood. Anyway since they are going in a snails space as far as this pregnancy is concerned (I think Geet may be about 8-10 weeks now), they can easily stretch the pregnancy to about a year. A track of Maan taking care of a pregnant Geet can be really heartwarming. There is also more scope to churn a lot more masala when the child arrives and Dev suddenly wants to stake his claim. How the two of them ward him off can be another new track. Possibilities are endless.



I agree about the endless possibilities of how they deal with this track! Thanks for your wonderful views!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Okay on another random note, why can't a woman have a right to decide if she wants a kid or not?! Be it a real woman or a reel life woman? Why are we morally posturing? Don't we think a woman has a right to choose if she wants to keep the baby or not! As long as she is not FORCED, I have no qualms. It is a woman's right!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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The pro-life versus pro-choice debate is not a settled one. When one talks of freedom one also has to talk of responsibility. If one has got pregnant (here I am not talking of a case of rape), then should that person not assume responsibility for her actions? Should her right deprive the right of the child to come to this world? How is her right more important than the right of the child to be born? One tends to look at the baby as a part of her body so she may do with it as she pleases but then the baby is another life apart from her. By that logic, one can also argue that the right to take away one's life should also be granted for after all the person is taking away his/her own life, not someone else's. If life has become so difficult for this person, why should that person not have the right to choose to die?

Even if one leaves aside the moral issue, the emotional trauma one goes through after an MTP is enormous and not many women can be completely guilt free later on.

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