Moderation Feedback - Page 5

I might be repeating some of what Madz said, but I felt inclined to post my own response... No problem, the more answers, the better for me!😃

So my first complaint is if this thread is helpful. I mean are mods even permitted to change the rules around here? Here we are complaining about many situations, and all you guys are saying is that it's in the IF conduct rule. Many of the problems around here does have to do with conduct, and most of our complaints are also based on this. So is this thread really necessary?

The purpose of this thread is to address any concerns you have about the way we, the FF Section Development Team, are running this section, and to allow everyone a chance to give us feedback. So far, we have answered several questions and received some valuable feedback. So, from my point of view, yes, it is very helpful. Anyone who doesn't find it useful can simply ignore it. I understand what this thread is for, and it is indeed helpful, but I wanted to know, what exactly the mods are allowed to change here?

2^nd matter- I know you guys have been getting many issues that have to do with Adult Contents. Lately I have noticed, many of the fan fictions that have such contents are being closed, is this really fair. I know you guys are trying to promote IF as a family oriented website, but that's no reason to shut down fan fictions. Doesn't reading ff's depend of the readers comfort level. I mean if there's a big disclaimer saying that this fan fiction consists of adult contents, shouldn't the readers just avoid it. IF can't stop people from reading such contents. If readers are willing to read such things, shouldn't writers be allowed to write such things? There maybe others who object adult contents, but isn't it usually the majority over the minority.

Promoting IF as a family oriented website is not a policy that we came up with. It's been present since the initiation of the site. Our job is to uphold those standards. As far as majority over minority goes, we really have no reason to believe that those opposed to adult content are in the minority. Based on the feedback we've gotten in this thead, it seems quite the opposite. And even if that were true, like Madiha said, the majority is not necessarily always right. Maybe the minority of the people are the ones who don't mind adult contents, so should they be ignored? Like both of you said, doesn't matter whether majority or minority, both should have an equal say! And if many do oppose adult contents, cant they just IGNORE it, and move on.

sorry if I'm being rude, but everyone's entitled to their opinions right?

That's the purpose of this thread... Indeed a very helpful thread for me!😃

Originally posted by: SaziArmaan

So my first complaint is if this thread is helpful. This isn't really the help desk, but okay... No this is really helpful, now that I'm getting answers to some of my questions.😃

I mean are mods even permitted to change the rules around here? Depends on what exactly you're talking about? Okay, but what matters can you guys change around here?

Here we are complaining about many situations, and all you guys are saying is that it's in the IF conduct rule. Hold on a second, the only situation that the complaints have been for are the adult content, and the warnings. Few rather than many, and if all the complaints are going to be of the same matter, of course the replies will get repetitive, if something's against the I-F COC, we aren't allowing it, period. If you've got anything against that, you can use the Suggestions/Comments forum or contact the admins. This thread's for the FF section rules, not for the COC. Maybe Adult Content is the only serious situation around here, otherwise the ff section is peaceful, which I thank you guys for.😃

Many of the problems around here does have to do with conduct, and most of our complaints are also based on this. So is this thread really necessary? Of course the thread is still necessary! Like I said, and has been stated earlier, it's for giving feedback to the moderators of this section on how we've been handling situations, etc..

And it seemed as if most of the complaints have been on our handling, and not on the COC. A lot of people are against adult content... They are indeed against Adult Content, because many want a change in rules for this matter.

2^nd matter- I know you guys have been getting many issues that have to do with Adult Contents. Lately I have noticed, many of the fan fictions that have such contents are being closed, is this really fair. I know you guys are trying to promote IF as a family oriented website, but that's no reason to shut down fan fictions. Despite all the rules, all the warning stickies, the COC, adult content still continues. If we don't close these threads, what's the guarantee it won't continue? We can't let them open unless we've received that guarantee from the writers, and the best way to catch their attention is to close the FF's. Most people tend to ignore our warning PM's...but this is one thing you can't ignore. Well closing their FF's, will it stop them for writing more fan fictions that contain adult materials? What's the guarantee that they won't just start a new one with such contents, because they feel that the rules have been unfair. If readers don't object in reading such contents, is it necessary to close the FF? And even if some readers are against adult contents, shouldn't they just ignore the ff. I mean they are given a choice, they aren't forced to read a persons ff.

Doesn't reading ff's depend of the readers comfort level. I mean if there's a big disclaimer saying that this fan fiction consists of adult contents, shouldn't the readers just avoid it. They should, but that doesn't mean they would. Wait, why wouldn't they? If they are uncomfortable, why would they just avoid the disclaimer, and keep reading? Then isn't that just the readers fault, for reading such things that is uncomfortable to them?

IF can't stop people from reading such contents. But we can stop people from posting such content. If adult content's really what's keeping people on I-F, then everyone knows they can also find it on several other sites on the internet... If readers are willing to read such things, shouldn't writers be allowed to write such things? But you just said you understood we were promoting I-F as a family-oriented site, how is allowing writers to post such content gonna help that image?! There maybe others who object adult contents, but isn't it usually the majority over the minority. Okay, since you're bringing majority over minority in this...if the majority of the members decided an actor should be bashed...should the moderators go on and agree with them, without worrying about the minority that consists of ardent fans of the actor?

That's a complete different matter from this situation. There are so many other ff's in this section, which have adult contents in them, in fact majority of the ff's do. Depend on what the majority of the people think, if they think Adult content should be confiscated, than you guy's are doing a fabulous job in closing the thread.

Whether or not the majority of the people, but there are many who don't mind adult contents. And you're the one who said, minority shouldn't be ignored. So should the writers, and readers, who don't mind adult contents be ignored. And is it fair to close their ff's?

sorry if I'm being rude, but everyone's entitled to their opinions right? Never said they weren't... That's what I thank you guys for, allowing us to speak our minds. 😃

Luv SAZ!

alright! first, apologies modz, i'm speaking up in defense of what is only your priviledge... and responsibility... Nonetheless, FF has been a wonderful forum and a huge part of the credit belongs to you guys, i gues its worth the effort. Yes, I agree on that matter, that this section is indeed peaceful' and a huge applaud to the mods for this.

@saz ... honey, you're so right about there being nicer ways of letting peole know that the stuff they are writing is PROHIBITED. One of the nicest, most civil ways, in most people's opinions i believe would be making a rule which states that and hoping for it to be followed. Thank for agreeing dear, and I agree with your method of making a rule like that. It's a win, win situation for all.

Once a decorum is broken or surpassed, i really wish to know, on what grounds anyone who takes rules for granted can come back with a plea or worse, an argument of being righteous. when rules are made the basic assumption that implies is that people will follow them. when they aren't followed, there should be no way any one who was on the side that wronged he rules can come back and question how the rule breaking was dealt with. Not unless that is, that you believe what you were accused of was factually incorrect and no where stated in the rule. Shouldn't breaking a rule also have exceptions? I mean what if a rule was found unfair to one, shouldn't they be at least granted a reasonable explanation.

Hopefully everything you held reserves about, dealing directly wth or simply the periphree of the issue of Adult Content, should have no further reason to persist past that one simple statement.

if its the rules you have an issue with, yes one more time you were correct. The mods on this forum have nothing more to them EXCEPT making sure they are ENFORCED. And repeating myself for the heck of it, HOW they enforced, AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN BROKEN, is really best understood by those who are having to deal with the mess.

You said people who have objections to reading this stuff can simply ignore or at least pay heed to the warnings. The thing is Saz, rules are made in places for people where it is understood that not everyone who is privy to things is capable of making the right decision. That's true that not all people make right decisions, but should others suffer for that assessment.

I hope there will be no personal hard feeling about this example, but i believe the picture in your siggie space is your own.. or atleast someone personally known to you... the reason you can put it up safely on this forum without worying about cyber crime and its extent of graphic misuse is BECAUSE this forum has a decorum which can protect asure of that security. If rules are made, they are in no way for the benfit of those who frame them, but far more for those who they are for. and so, if you personally aren't in agreement with those rules, you stil have to understand that the vast majority that benefits from those rules NEEDS them. Very STRICTLY enforced. No, I highly understand that the rules are strictly to keep this site safe from any danger. And I don't mind the example you used, it's a very endearing example. IF does indeed make me feel safe, so I put up my picture. But there are some situations in which rules can be bent.

@modz, once more, sory if i'm interfering with whats only your job to deal with. not like the lot of you can't handle, and not like people on thos forum technicaly are wrong elements at all... but Saz did say she apreciated more answers... and of course, the usefulnes of the thread was a topic of doubt :)

cheers all, readers, writers and modz alike, here's me hailing WHITE!
~nj :)

Thanks NJ, you really did help me out. I'm grateful that I am indeed receiving answers, not just from the mods, but also a reader/writer.

Originally posted by: SuhanaSafar

Originally posted by: spln

rules can't be bent to convenience saz, or there's never a point in having them... they aren't partial and biased to needs... they are meant for decorum. Yeah, i got that, and basically mods can't change them.

and as sookie said, the issue is far more than simple ethics... its legal. terms and conditions. don't know what part of the world you're from but a huge chunk of the west dwells on simple lawsuit lobbies- you must know not for no reason.

Yes what ever sookie jus stated is fair enough for me to understand the law of the matter.

glad you understand and appreciate the modz and their efforts. Its the only right thing to do, of course.

ofource, i uphold all actions the mods take fairly, since they aren't responisble for the conduct rules.

best, Thanks once again!😃 SAZ!
nj