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Posted: 13 years ago
#91
Wow!

To the topic maker, thank you for being so honest and upfront. It's a refreshing change from the meaningless endearments used very often on the forums. I am not against anyone or anything but forced politeness for the sake of not getting banned is a bit annoying sometimes. Anyway, before I put in my two cents, I'd like to make one thing clear to the people/mods reading this: my intention never was and never will be to offend someone deliberately or otherwise. I am, for the most part, a silent reader but I DO watch many shows. I've commented a bit on Saathiya, EHMMBH, PKKND, Pavitra Rishta and BALH forums but I usually prefer to read written updates and get on with my normal life. I have been watching EHMMBH on and off, mainly for the unusually sweet bond VirMan shared. I am commenting today mainly because the topic of discussion has hit close to home.

I agree wholeheartedly with everyone who's said that the production house has handled cancer rather insensitively. I know it is an entertainment show and the scenes have to be a little larger than life... it is, afterall, a purely fictional show meant for people's entertainment. I understand Star Plus' "nayi soch" concept and their shows are superior in a lot of ways hence the high TRPs. But if entertainment is what the audience wants then there really was no need to bring in the cancer track. If they really wanted to show a girl putting up a brave front in the face of a deadly disease, then they should have shown it a little more realistically. And no, one hair falling scene does not make things realistic. If that was all they wanted to show then they could easily have come up with another "nayi soch" that wouldn't have hurt people's sentiments.

I say this because I suffer from 3 rare diseases myself... none of them have a cure, all are genetic disorders and I am only 22 years old. I have to live with them but I haven't given up on life either. I am going about my life - doing a PhD with the Australian Air Force, have a stable happy relationship and I am accepting of my circumstances too. Yes, I am cheerful for the most part, happy-go-lucky, grateful that I am surrounded by so many supportive people and I'm fortunate to receive some of the best medical treatments available today. But you will certainly never see me running around cheerfully one minute and then falling ridiculously sick another. It doesn't work that way... and it has nothing to do with personality differences between Maanvi and me. It has to do with the nature of these illnesses! The chemo sessions are gruelling, they take a really bad toll on a person's physical and mental health and if the CVs really want to show a "strong" Maanvi handling her circumstances in the best possible manner, please tone down her character just a little and it will be more realistic! And it certainly won't make others who are suffering from the same or similar illnesses feel more miserable about their conditions. Do the creatives realise that by showing Maanvi as a happy bouncy girl, despite suffering from cancer, they are inadvertently rousing feelings of guilt in other real life patients who connect with the show and want to emulate Maanvi's character but because of the REAL nature of cancer, cannot actually BE that way?

In any case, it's not just here that I am ranting. I have written an email to Star Plus in the past explaining this in a similar fashion and they responded in a positive manner. They actually like when fans give them constructive criticism. I am not here to trash the show outright and say "it sucks" because it doesn't. It's great entertainment, I love Jeevika and Maanvi's characters and I love other Star Plus shows quite a lot too! I am even a huge fan of IPKKND despite the anti-hero and heroine love story because I'm a die-hard romantic at heart. But I truly wish this cancer track ends soon!

And to whoever made the comment about Jeevika saying she was initially Maanvi's biggest strength and now is shown as an emotionally weak person, I completely agree with you! Concern for your sister is one thing but when you suffer from a deadly illness, your first instinct is to want people you love most closest to you. Anyway, that's just my opinion... I don't know how long this topic will remain open for but I sincerely hope I don't become the reason the mods close this topic. It is nice to have realistic discussions sometimes and bring forth constructive criticism. Life isn't always about loving everything. You are allowed to dislike some things too 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: swordfishh




And yes, me thinks Krystal and Kushal both need acting lessons... Since Jeevika's character involves blushing and keeeping quiet most of the times, KD can still get away with her acting... but given that Kushal is playing a more complex character like Virat, he seriously needs to work on his dialogue delivery... I think the Viart falling in/ realising his love scene was ruined partly because of the Cvs and partly because of Kushal's acting..

Some would say "Don't watch this show if you hate it so much"... Well... I would say.. "Its my wish what I want to do at 8.30 p.m."... FYI - I watch it for Nia Sharma




I am glad good sense prevailed and this topic was reopened!

I agree with the above poster.Both Krystle and Kushal need to brush up their acting skills.KD is my personal favouurite for many reasons but I wont deny she isnt the best actress out there.Nia is someone what we call a natural actress.She is spontaneous on screen and not much of a method actress.She has a commanding screen presence and to be honest during the initial scenes of Jeeman Nia caught my attention than KD.There are instances when she didnt deliver according to her caliber imo.For eg:VM's first hug scene..I dont know maybe the script wasnt convincing enough for the actors or something but I felt it was totally off.Nia's acting did look OTT and forced.But thats a rare case and most of the time she is flawless when it comes to emoting.But she has also got the advantage of powerful script and catchy one liners.I think Maanvi is the only character who has shown some sort of growth.CVs have put some thoughts atleast behind this characterand 'tried' to develop her track unlike the other 3leads whose individual track and character sketch looks extremely shallow and 1 Dimensional.

Krystle was completely blank in some of the initial scenes of EHM .Remember the scene where Viren confronts J about manan issue? During the entire scene she had a blank stare.I believe an actor can emote with eyes and convey their emotions even when there are less dialogues written for them.I think Krystle still needs improvement in this aspect.But she has come a long way imo.During JV wedding there are many jeeman scenes where I thought she did a good job.Also her drunk act,she was entertaining without going OTT.Also the scene where she was in denial about her missing maanvi after her return to Hrishikesh.Her dialogue delivery is actually very good imo.For someone who learnt Hindi just 4 yrs back ,she is doing well.I havent found her screechy so no qualms with her voice modulation either.I am a person who feel an actor isnt above script.So i cant really complain about KD's acting cuz she is being given a raw deal since many months now.All J needs to do in EHM is cry and cry.J was hardly given any powerful scene to carry by herself.Initially she was shown as a charcater who had a mind of her own and some1 who possessed great inner strength though subtle in her actions.She was calma and composed.But now J is converted into a perpetual crying and worry machine as I said.She is shown to be emotionally weak all the time. So I dont feel in general EHM is providing platform for KD to showcase or improvise her skill..She is more so playing a flowerpot in series so I dont even expect any enthralling acts from her.!Also unlike Kushal she isnt playing herself in show.Its a 360 degree change from her easy going traits .Jeevika is as idealistic as it gets.I doubt any of us have seen /met someone like J in real life 😆.So I will credit her where it is due ,it isnt a cake walk for her as many claims.

Karan T was a complete suprise package to me.I never expected him to be so good given his track record of SO shows 😆.I am no fan of him but boy he can act and how?.There isnt one scene where I felt he went overboard or underacted.What proved to me he is a fab actor are scenes like when Viren gets drunk and goes to meet Jeevika at night,him convincing swamini about jeevika's dillema,confrontation scene where he questions J about Manan.He can portray subtle emotions very well and has good comic timing too.But what I admire about him the most as an actor is his dialogue delivery and voice modulation.You cant help but take notice when he talks 😆.Though Viren is seldom given good dialogues or scenes Karan Tacker makes use of all available opportunities .Unlike Krystle he can stand apart even in the presence of a shoddy script.Well thats some talent so inspite of how much I detest his self obsessed demeanor at times cant deny him that much.😆

Kushal needs to work on hi acting as well.He needs tremendous improvement as far as diction is concerned.Most of the time I dont get what he is saying.As someone said he is just too casual about his acting.At times he gives the impression he doesnt have the drive to better his skills.Recently he was given ample of opportunities to work on his shortcomings and enhance his way of acting but yet again disappointed.Well if in future if he has to compliment Nia's acting,he has to push the boundaries.
Edited by Nonchalant - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#93
agree with u bigtime----- diversion from real subject of the show leads to destruction of the show...😆 as for the new writer...we r on for a new romantic movie on ehmmbh...🤣
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Posted: 13 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: Nonchalant



I am glad good sense prevailed and this topic was reopened!

I agree with the above poster.Both Krystle and Kushal need to brush up their acting skills.KD is my personal favouurite for many reasons but I wont deny she isnt the best actress out there.Nia is someone what we call a natural actress.She is spontaneous on screen and not much of a method actress.She has a commanding screen presence and to be honest during the initial scenes of Jeeman Nia caught my attention than KD.There are instances when she didnt deliver according to her caliber imo.For eg:VM's first hug scene..I dont know maybe the script wasnt convincing enough for the actors or something but I felt it was totally off.Nia's acting did look OTT and forced.But thats a rare case and most of the time she is flawless when it comes to emoting.But she has also got the advantage of powerful script and catchy one liners.I think Maanvi is the only character who has shown some sort of growth.CVs have put some thoughts atleast behind this characterand 'tried' to develop her track unlike the other 3leads whose individual track and character sketch looks extremely shallow and 1 Dimensional.

Krystle was completely blank in some of the initial scenes of EHM .Remember the scene where Viren confronts J about manan issue? During the entire scene she had a blank stare.I believe an actor can emote with eyes and convey their emotions even when there are less dialogues written for them.I think Krystle still needs improvement in this aspect.But she has come a long way imo.During JV wedding there are many jeeman scenes where I thought she did a good job.Also her drunk act,she was entertaining without going OTT.Also the scene where she was in denial about her missing maanvi after her return to Hrishikesh.Her dialogue delivery is actually very good imo.For someone who learnt Hindi just 4 yrs back ,she is doing well.I havent found her screechy so no qualms with her voice modulation either.I am a person who feel an actor isnt above script.So i cant really complain about KD's acting cuz she is being given a raw deal since many months now.All J needs to do in EHM is cry and cry.J was hardly given any powerful scene to carry by herself.Initially she was shown as a charcater who had a mind of her own and some1 who possessed great inner strength though subtle in her actions.She was calma and composed.But now J is converted into a perpetual crying and worry machine as I said.She is shown to be emotionally weak all the time. So I dont feel in general EHM is providing platform for KD to showcase or improvise her skill..She is more so playing a flowerpot in series so I dont even expect any enthralling acts from her.!Also unlike Kushal she isnt playing herself in show.Its a 360 degree change from her easy going traits .Jeevika is as idealistic as it gets.I doubt any of us have seen /met someone like J in real life 😆.So I will credit her where it is due ,it isnt a cake walk for her as many claims.

Karan T was a complete suprise package to me.I never expected him to be so good given his track record of SO shows 😆.I am no fan of him but boy he can act and how?.There isnt one scene where I felt he went overboard or underacted.What proved to me he is a fab actor are scenes like when Viren gets drunk and goes to meet Jeevika at night,him convincing swamini about jeevika's dillema,confrontation scene where he questions J about Manan.He can portray subtle emotions very well and has good comic timing too.But what I admire about him the most as an actor is his dialogue delivery and voice modulation.You cant help but take notice when he talks 😆.Though Viren is seldom given good dialogues or scenes Karan Tacker makes use of all available opportunities .Unlike Krystle he can stand apart even in the presence of a shoddy script.Well thats some talent so inspite of how much I detest his self obsessed demeanor at times cant deny him that much.😆

Kushal needs to work on hi acting as well.He needs tremendous improvement as far as diction is concerned.Most of the time I dont get what he is saying.As someone said he is just too casual about his acting.At times he gives the impression he doesnt have the drive to better his skills.Recently he was given ample of opportunities to work on his shortcomings and enhance his way of acting but yet again disappointed.Well if in future if he has to compliment Nia's acting,he has to push the boundaries.



cant agree anymore what a tremendous post..well KARAN is a fab actor is a proven fact...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wow...topic reopened...thnk god...!!

@nonchalant - 👏👏👏👏

I din wanna qoute u coz just wnted to say the above...!!!
Completely unbiased opinion nd SO true :)
Edited by tara_211 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nonchalant

I am glad good sense prevailed and this topic was reopened!

I agree with the above poster.Both Krystle and Kushal need to brush up their acting skills.KD is my personal favouurite for many reasons but I wont deny she isnt the best actress out there.Nia is someone what we call a natural actress.She is spontaneous on screen and not much of a method actress.She has a commanding screen presence and to be honest during the initial scenes of Jeeman Nia caught my attention than KD.There are instances when she didnt deliver according to her caliber imo.For eg:VM's first hug scene..I dont know maybe the script wasnt convincing enough for the actors or something but I felt it was totally off.Nia's acting did look OTT and forced.But thats a rare case and most of the time she is flawless when it comes to emoting.But she has also got the advantage of powerful script and catchy one liners.I think Maanvi is the only character who has shown some sort of growth.CVs have put some thoughts atleast behind this characterand 'tried' to develop her track unlike the other 3leads whose individual track and character sketch looks extremely shallow and 1 Dimensional.

Krystle was completely blank in some of the initial scenes of EHM .Remember the scene where Viren confronts J about manan issue? During the entire scene she had a blank stare.I believe an actor can emote with eyes and convey their emotions even when there are less dialogues written for them.I think Krystle still needs improvement in this aspect.But she has come a long way imo.During JV wedding there are many jeeman scenes where I thought she did a good job.Also her drunk act,she was entertaining without going OTT.Also the scene where she was in denial about her missing maanvi after her return to Hrishikesh.Her dialogue delivery is actually very good imo.For someone who learnt Hindi just 4 yrs back ,she is doing well.I havent found her screechy so no qualms with her voice modulation either.I am a person who feel an actor isnt above script.So i cant really complain about KD's acting cuz she is being given a raw deal since many months now.All J needs to do in EHM is cry and cry.J was hardly given any powerful scene to carry by herself.Initially she was shown as a charcater who had a mind of her own and some1 who possessed great inner strength though subtle in her actions.She was calma and composed.But now J is converted into a perpetual crying and worry machine as I said.She is shown to be emotionally weak all the time. So I dont feel in general EHM is providing platform for KD to showcase or improvise her skill..She is more so playing a flowerpot in series so I dont even expect any enthralling acts from her.!Also unlike Kushal she isnt playing herself in show.Its a 360 degree change from her easy going traits .Jeevika is as idealistic as it gets.I doubt any of us have seen /met someone like J in real life 😆.So I will credit her where it is due ,it isnt a cake walk for her as many claims.

Karan T was a complete suprise package to me.I never expected him to be so good given his track record of SO shows 😆.I am no fan of him but boy he can act and how?.There isnt one scene where I felt he went overboard or underacted.What proved to me he is a fab actor are scenes like when Viren gets drunk and goes to meet Jeevika at night,him convincing swamini about jeevika's dillema,confrontation scene where he questions J about Manan.He can portray subtle emotions very well and has good comic timing too.But what I admire about him the most as an actor is his dialogue delivery and voice modulation.You cant help but take notice when he talks 😆.Though Viren is seldom given good dialogues or scenes Karan Tacker makes use of all available opportunities .Unlike Krystle he can stand apart even in the presence of a shoddy script.Well thats some talent so inspite of how much I detest his self obsessed demeanor at times cant deny him that much.😆

Kushal needs to work on hi acting as well.He needs tremendous improvement as far as diction is concerned.Most of the time I dont get what he is saying.As someone said he is just too casual about his acting.At times he gives the impression he doesnt have the drive to better his skills.Recently he was given ample of opportunities to work on his shortcomings and enhance his way of acting but yet again disappointed.Well if in future if he has to compliment Nia's acting,he has to push the boundaries.

Hey Jhanvi...long time again! 😆 Ahhh...the bouncers from REAL life...wish it could be as simple n easy as shown in these shows. 😆
Brilliantly put, buddy! I don't think there's anything one can add to this.
I kinda agree with u on the actors analysis...Nia, really is doing a very good job...and i feel,as of now, her character has the MOST scope as compared to the rest. But the whole cancer track is nothing but a biggg joke. I said this earlier also...i feel disgusted as a patient when i watch this casual treatment to a disease like cancer. And i agree with you...Nia gets off in these mushy kinda scenes...i found her expressions weird in that song also...but then, that whole song was tooo forced and random.
I really wonder...have the CVs forgotten the initial sketches of all the other characters??
The BIGGEST problem i have is with Viren's characters...that used to be my FAVORITE character. The biggest damage is done there...and they've taken it to a point..are taking it to the point with every passing epi...that reverting back to the ORIGINAL Viren would mean another jump...thus, showing inconsistency yet again. Viren saying "love you" to Virat n Virat responding to the same...I felt like banging my head somewhere. Viren-Virat were NEVER like this...they were the casual, REALISTIC bro's...and these love you's n all are SOOO unlike them!!
Jeevika's character...WHAT on earth have they made her?? She is more like a dummy...with a new set of dresses. What is the scope for her?? Can't she pursue her career...or help SB in the social work thing? Is kitchen her ONLY destination after marriage?? I really don't think that even in that accident track, she'd have much of a role to play. Yes...there will be some emotional drama when she gets to know of Manvi's illness...but i'm one of those who don't want that kinda drama. She's the elder sister...TELL HER abt Manvi's illness. She has a RIGHT to know. As for KD's acting...as much as i love the gal...i agree with u abt her acting...she goes off, or blank in a few scenes. But i really don't wanna judge her coz of them...her role doesn't have any scope, that can show her full potential.
Virat...well, i don't wanna write abt him...there was SOOO much scope, potential in Virat's past track...but what we got was the illogical Maya track. And WHAT do Manvi n Virat do?? The former plays with kiddos...no studies, no work..NOTHING at all. And Virat...sitting at home...with mobile in his hand...and that's IT. I really wonder which ppl in today's time n age have the luxury of soo much free time..or are sooo aimless that they don't do anything.
Not just these main characters...Beeji's role has been brutally killed. A sensible woman like her...playing hide n seek...complete NO!!! She should have been the one to inform Jeevika-Viren BOTH abt Manvi's cancer...and the whole family should have fought against the disease.
The only two characters that have the sanity left...are Dabbu n Badi Beeji. May CVs have mercy on them..and don't ruin them like the rest.
This is getting long...so, better end it.😆 But yes...like you, even i am completely bowled out by Tacker's acting. The man is a pro...a natural...and knows his job to perfection. No matter what crappy the dialogues are...the script is...the track is...HE STANDS OUT!! He's a complete package...
Not adding a disclaimer this time...have done that in my previous post already. The above is my POV..and i guess i am entitled to it!!
Edited by ayesha_80 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: without-fathom

In simple plain words - it's an offensive form of mockery. And honestly, anyone - fan or not - who doesn't feel offended by the sheer "abuse" of such a grave issue has got some very obtuse blinders on.

BANG ON JZee! 👏 👏 No amount of defensive comments can EVER convince me that what is being shown currently is not insensitive or unrealistic. Like a lot of people have already said, when we say things are being shown in an unrealistic manner, it does not mean they should show a tear-jerker, just show things SENSIBLY! With respect to other things on this show, I would not even bother expecting sense but at least spare CANCER, that is something that DESERVES to be treated with sensitivity and sensibility. Some subjects should not be touched if they cannot be done justice to- period!

The greatest irony of course lies in SP reminding viewers every few minutes of intervals about their "nayi soch" 🤢 Whatever "nayi soch" prompts "commercializing" serious problems like cancer - any way that I may perceive it - is worthy of plain boycott until rigorous revision.

Hahaha tell me about it 😉. I remember I was telling Anu once that this "rishta wahi, soch nayi" version is merely a hint to the viewers about the SO-ization of SP!

Anyway - kudos for the post 👏 [Any warning levels acquired yet?! 😛 😆]

Umm nope, I guess all those notes and PS's I put up have saved me that but the drama had transpired nevertheless 😛



@All : Guys, it is really great to see good and objective discussions going on here , keep it up. I , unfortunately, do not have much to contribute to your discussions because I have not watched this show enough, neither do I follow it regularly or passionately as most of you do and whatever I had to say about the show, I put most of it in my main post itself or in my replies after that!

I have to agree with what swordfish and Janki have said about Kushal's acting- SO TRUE guys, Mr Tandon should seriously work on his diction and emoting. I too, cannot follow what he is saying most of the times, now I am not sure if it is the result of a misplaced microphone or bad diction, if it is the former then I hope someone from the technical department helps, but if it is the latter then he needs to focus on getting it right! As for Nia, that girl's spunky and effortlessly natural alright but she still needs that control as an actor , may be because she is very young she is not able to reign in on that now but I am sure she will smoothen out those rough edges as she matures as an actor. As Anu was saying in her post earlier, Nia is not cut out for the regular lovey-dovey/dreamy stuff which is why she seemed a little off in Thursday's sequence, most importantly it was the character of Manvi that was completely out of place there! I don't want to comment on Krystle or Karan because I have not watched Viren-Jeevika scenes. I mean no offense to anyone but V-J are not the kind of couple that can cut it for me.

Once again it is nice that a civil decorum is being maintained here but I just wanted to add generally, isn't it something to really think about, that topics like mine and Sid's are motivating a lot of members to come forward and discuss rather than the show and its characters?!!

To the mods, it is great to see that you are not biased 👍🏼. We understand your job is not easy but the critics should also get the benefit of the doubt as objectivity not pandering to the general fan sentiment cannot be mistaken for bashing!


Edited by Bazinga - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I write a maha long reply. and IF decides to erase it since it contained "invalid characters"...*yells of frustration"
Well... it's just that i seee you guys praising karan tacker. and i just wanted to put in my two cents abt how i was crazy abt him durign rbo days, but then starting disliking him when the show started going downhill. and viren's character never really did appeal to me that much mostly becuz of beign paired opposite jeevika in a kind of romantic couple i never find interest in.. :p and kd not being able to emote well at the beginning made jeevika's character the major turn-off for me.
That being said, i LOVE karan tacker nowadays..seriously, the guy can act! and he has a powerful screen presence.. and spontaneous acting. despite whatever scene he has, he can stand out. and thats' the quality of a fine actor.
And IMO, karan tacker and nia sharma were the two that should've been paired opposite each other, becuz both are powerful actors, and they would've complemented each other to the dot. <3
Oh and...ahem, recently i have turned into a very devoted karnia (karan nia) fan... :P if anyone is interested, we made a page on fb for them :p
plz feel free to join ;)
IF won't allow me topost the link, so just search "karan tacker & nia sharma: karnia" ;)
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Firstly, whatever happened to your PINK font? You do know that we have an IMAGE here and our font is our signature, right? :P

Originally posted by: Sid4TeamCanada

I write a maha long reply. and IF decides to erase it since it contained "invalid characters"...*yells of frustration"

Uggghh that sucks! I know how it feels, you put in so much effort to type that and then it all goes for a toss 😡



That being said, i LOVE karan tacker nowadays..seriously, the guy can act! and he has a powerful screen presence.. and spontaneous acting. despite whatever scene he has, he can stand out. and thats' the quality of a fine actor.

About Mr Tacker, I don't know if it is the characters he's played so far but he has not impressed me THAT much as an actor! Not that I am saying he is a bad actor or anything but I don't think he has a great screen presence, once again it may be because I have never been drawn to the characters he has played so far (including Viren) so may be the acting never really came through to me. One thing I will agree to is that he has good dialogue delivery and comic timing, that much I will give him!

And IMO, karan tacker and nia sharma were the two that should've been paired opposite each other, becuz both are powerful actors, and they would've complemented each other to the dot. <3
Oh and...ahem, recently i have turned into a very devoted karnia (karan nia) fan... :P if anyone is interested, we made a page on fb for them :p
plz feel free to join ;)

Sid, that show which we used to watch had two brilliant actors but what have they done with them? Do you think pairing the two better actors of the four would have ensured quality? 😆

Bottomline is good actors or bad, things would have been no better because the CONTENT is flawed! I repeat these people CANNOT come up with something novel and even if they do, they are not creative enough to maintain consistency in the characters or the story!



Edited by Kavya_KraZQueen - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
viraats love song was ridiculous..do ppl in love morph into another being?

why are they hiding cancer like the world will be okay if jeevika doesnt know it..

sid... i still read written updates..😛
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