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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: harshu.sundas

well chitra if u ask me , den i will say yes i m selfish wen it cums 2 HC playing RAGHAV...so in dat case yes i find it boring 2 watch nebody else instead of him.


but here dat is not d question.
wen d question arises dat hw d writers execute the story den we just cant giv dem a benefit of doubt.
we cannot sit nd think dat awee, dese ppl r writing 4 two long years nd it is a tough job 2 handle d characters so let us giv dem a chance...my answer wud b big NO.
cos no matter wat nd hw much tough d handling is, it is dere job nd they shud fulfill d audience demand cos one's half an hour shudnt b taken 4 granted.

wen d point cums dat writers cannot handle d characters they can just end d show, but not mess it up nd giv illogical justifications.

nd so nw i really don know wat they will try nd do wid VIRAJ's character, but i want a proper and good execution of RAGHAV nd his part of d story, as d reason is he i m here so, i will b happy enough wid his part of d story if it is handled welll...


@Sundas: That's not new i know you would love to have HC onscreen 24/7 but you can't take away the central character's presence can you.

Trust me its all about TRP's so i don't think any show would deviate from that. What illogical justifications there is none like that. Nobody justified his actions he is sick and his illness is not clearly depicted that's the only perk. This show is successful why would anyone think of ending it.

I hope with Raghav's character they take the realistic route to get the intended message reach the audience.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think things are getting repetitive. How many times people can watch it same stuff again and again? It is fine if they show it for week or so but I think in this show CVs stretch everything to the extreme that viewers has to yell stop.

I am not blaming this for actor at all. It is more likely CVs problem that they characterize his character that way.

For me it is definitely kind of boring seeing Siya getting flashbacks every other minutes yes it is necessary process they cannot show her strong over night but in 20 minutes episode if you show 10 minutes of flashback and then talk with pot where the story is moving? It has become more like horror and comedy show than what it used to be.

If I go with Indian audience then even they are more sentimental than we are so I guess actually people will not like it when you do things like this with your loved one ashes but this completely different topic and I would not like to go there

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Posted: 13 years ago
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THe makers mainly projected this as voice against domestic voilence but they complicated it by making V as a mental patient and some times even showed sympathy with him. They never made J think what is the root cause of his illness and why he does so. She only suffered his torture and kept quiet which only increased his control on her. Even cvs didnt used DR komolika also as when she know how clever V is and will never agree to treatment , she must have used different tactics with him as she she knows V from his chilhood.
Dont find V boring as many r ppl saying that he has become monotonous with his antics. V is normal to outside world and shows his realself only J and his mom and BOTH of them r not with him and he left with no choice but talk to himself or other lifeless things including the pot. Happy now that his not torturing J or her family.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

Were Viraaj's character in a different serial, with a theme that wasn't so focussed on an entirely different true-to-life issue, and with a team that had researched the disorders it was mentioning properly, maybe it wouldn't have been such a problem for some? Here, the issue of his illness and treatment are so deeply intertwined with Jhanvi's history of abuse that half the time viewers can be torn by what they should support: if they choose to support Jhanvi's choice of leaving they are being insensitive to the OCPDer, if they choose to believe that Jhanvi staying around to cure him would be better they're insensitive to her suffering. And of course there's that wonderful thing called the middle path which many could alternately follow, though I am myself a little unsure of how to define it in terms of the serial...but I'm sure you get what I mean.

I don't think that can be called sadistic or selfish, it's more or less a statement on which issues we - as individuals - feel more passionately about, or whether or not we believe that Viraaj is unaware of what he does or not. Different strokes for different folks IMO. Some of us feel he is unaware of how wrong he is and feel he can get better with a healthy amount of caring; some of us don't buy it, or at least feel that violence is not something an OCPDer *can't* control. I believe it all boils down to which issue we believe requires more, or equal, attention. For some it's domestic violence, for some it's the treatment of an OCPD patient, for some both can go hand-in-hand.


I know this boils down to perceptions and opinions of individuals. I always said that i had my reservations about having Domestic violence and mental illness in the same platform. You can't justify either or you tend to fall on one side and fail to see the importance of other. By doing so you are being biased. You can stay neutral and be jest about it.

Edited by -Nakshatra- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Nakshatra-


@Sundas: That's not new i know you would love to have HC onscreen 24/7 but you can't take away the central character's presence can you.

Trust me its all about TRP's so i don't think any show would deviate from that. What illogical justifications there is none like that. Nobody justified his actions he is sick and his illness is not clearly depicted that's the only perk. This show is successful why would anyone think of ending it.

I hope with Raghav's character they take the realistic route to get the intended message reach the audience.

i am not telling 2 cut off d central character...SIA is shown everyday nd i understand her character nd thus no arguements dere...yes chitra i agree TRPs r wat they want nd dat irritates me d most...
nd lol, chitra it is good dat u didnt get any1 here who kept on justifying his actions nd den started 2 compare his each nd every role wid oder stars nd dere prev characters...lucky uu..
but as im here in dis forum since 2 months nw, trust me unless we had got d promo shoot SBB segemnt of HC, everyday used 2 b a class on justifications dat y VIRAAJ is like dis...
nd yes d show is successful, becos they glorified violence, d tolerating ability of a woman nd showed d darker side of a man, nd not becos audience believed dat V is sick so we take d actions 4 granted...
ppl r watching 2 see hw innocence will win over violence, so thus i don find a single scene nw where CVs actually emphasize dat he is sick, they have left dat part of d story , so i guess dere is no point 2 discuss anymore on OCPD, as wen CVs demselves hv ignored d fact, we shudnt dig out nd make fascinating reasons...we need 2 accept wateva they telecast nd at present they r showing him 2 b anti...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

Were Viraaj's character in a different serial, with a theme that wasn't so focussed on an entirely different true-to-life issue, and with a team that had researched the disorders it was mentioning properly, maybe it wouldn't have been such a problem for some? Here, the issue of his illness and treatment are so deeply intertwined with Jhanvi's history of abuse that half the time viewers can be torn by what they should support: if they choose to support Jhanvi's choice of leaving they are being insensitive to the OCPDer, if they choose to believe that Jhanvi staying around to cure him would be better they're insensitive to her suffering. And of course there's that wonderful thing called the middle path which many could alternately follow, though I am myself a little unsure of how to define it in terms of the serial...but I'm sure you get what I mean.

I don't think that can be called sadistic or selfish, it's more or less a statement on which issues we - as individuals - feel more passionately about, or whether or not we believe that Viraaj is unaware of what he does or not. Different strokes for different folks IMO. Some of us feel he is unaware of how wrong he is and feel he can get better with a healthy amount of caring; some of us don't buy it, or at least feel that violence is not something an OCPDer *can't* control. I believe it all boils down to which issue we believe requires more, or equal, attention. For some it's domestic violence, for some it's the treatment of an OCPD patient, for some both can go hand-in-hand.

First of all, I don't think "cure" is the right word. Everyone uses it. i think even KB used it. But really you can't be "cured." You can be treated and get better. But not cured.

As for bold, I don't think this at all. While there are others. In my view, Jhanvi has every right to leave and is under no obligation to Viraj. That's just my opinion. If she decides to try to help him work through his problems, that's one thing. But she's under no obligation to do so.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Both Viraj's "repetitiveness" and Jhanvi/Sia's "repetitiveness" is part their characterization. It needs to be shown, imo. People may find it repetitive and boring, but I think it's integral in order to move the story forward.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: harshu.sundas

i am not telling 2 cut off d central character...SIA is shown everyday nd i understand her character nd thus no arguements dere...yes chitra i agree TRPs r wat they want nd dat irritates me d most...

nd lol, chitra it is good dat u didnt get any1 here who kept on justifying his actions nd den started 2 compare his each nd every role wid oder stars nd dere prev characters...lucky uu..
but as im here in dis forum since 2 months nw, trust me unless we had got d promo shoot SBB segemnt of HC, everyday used 2 b a class on justifications dat y VIRAAJ is like dis...
nd yes d show is successful, becos they glorified violence, d tolerating ability of a woman nd showed d darker side of a man, nd not becos audience believed dat V is sick so we take d actions 4 granted...
ppl r watching 2 see hw innocence will win over violence, so thus i don find a single scene nw where CVs actually emphasize dat he is sick, they have left dat part of d story , so i guess dere is no point 2 discuss anymore on OCPD, as wen CVs demselves hv ignored d fact, we shudnt dig out nd make fascinating reasons...we need 2 accept wateva they telecast nd at present they r showing him 2 b anti...

LOL, people defending and justifying the actions of a male lead? What's so new or surprising about that?

Yes, I've seen justifications and defences long before February, and some of them were sick imo. But they are not being made now.
Edited by likarsh - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: likarsh

First of all, I don't think "cure" is the right word. Everyone uses it. i think even KB used it. But really you can't be "cured." You can be treated and get better. But not cured.

As for bold, I don't think this at all. While there are others. In my view, Jhanvi has every right to leave and is under no obligation to Viraj. That's just my opinion. If she decides to try to help him work through his problems, that's one thing. But she's under no obligation to do so.


I don't believe 'cure' is the right word either, but the intent with which Jhanvi was staying with him was in the hope of a cure, given that she herself didn't know much about OCPD before she was married to him. I think a thought process like that is easy to get into because at least here disorders are seen more as diseases, and a person with a disorder is automatically labelled mad, and therefore requires a 'cure'. Why, even Jhanvi, who herself is manifesting a few symptoms of PTSD and behaving the way any victim in her place would have behaved, was called 'mad' -- not exactly the right word for what she was going through either, hai na? Just goes to show that our semantics for these things in our daily lives really differs from the way a disorder like OCPD can be viewed elsewhere where there's more exposure. I think 'cure' while not the right word, would be what Jhanvi and others like her would believe be an outcome of a treatment 😊
Edited by BizzyLizzy - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: likarsh

LOL, people defending and justifying the actions of a male lead? What's so new or surprising about that?

nothing new nd nothing bad too, they hv d rights 2 justify dere fav character nd his actions but not by degrading any oder actor nd his characters...i repeat again they r doing it since 2 months nd continued it unless they we had got d promo shoot segment...

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