Chicken vs Egg - Page 5

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

I never said it was. It's a combination of evolution and creationism - it's my take on the world, if you will. 😆 I told you - it's twisted, but that's how I see things! Being a biology major and a Muslim girl who tries to understand her faith, I figured I'd make things easier for myself by developing a new perspective that won't compel me to choose between the two. 😆

I don't think it's a combination, creationism is different, it states that species didn't evolve, they aren't related, they don't have common ancestor, if you believe that humans and chimps share an ancestor, then you're not a creationist.

Evolution doesn't disprove God, you can perfectly believe in both of them. Some of the earliest proponents of the evolutionary theory were Christians, and even today, many theist scientists accept evolution by natural selection.

Originally posted by: Emptiness

I don't think it's a combination, creationism is different, it states that species didn't evolve, they aren't related, they don't have common ancestor, if you believe that humans and chimps share an ancestor, then you're not a creationist.

Evolution doesn't disprove God, you can perfectly believe in both of them. Some of the earliest proponents of the evolutionary theory were Christians, and even today, many theist scientists accept evolution by natural selection.

According to Wiki:

Creationism is the religious belief^[1] that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being.

That's all creationism is - the belief that God created all of the above. There are different versions or sub-categories of creationism that suggest exactly how the universe and everything in it were actually created. With the above definition of creationism, I am 100% for it.

^oh right, so you're a creationist in a broad sense, right.. got it. 😆

Originally posted by: Emptiness

^oh right, so you're a creationist in a broad sense, right.. got it. 😆

eggjactly. 😆

@Aarya- and we're back to the egg. Happy? 😛

Originally posted by: night13

Religion vs Science.. and here I thought I was asking who came first... chicken or the egg...😆

--Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth's history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.

--Can religion or science prove that God exists?

Well that depends what you mean by God?, there are as many definitions of God as there are people. Religion has been around forever, if it could prove God's existence, it would've done so by now, science might stumble upon some sort of "God", if one exists, or it won't, or probably there is no God.

Originally posted by: night13

--Can religion or science prove that God exists?

As Rumi once said, "Reason is God's shadow; God is the sun. What power has the shadow before the sun?"

I am equating reason with science here.

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

Coming from a Biology major, that's pretty gutsy of you to say that. I am impressed. Be prepared to get ostracized by your peers if you express this in public.

As someone who read everything there probably is to read about on this subject, I think there is some truth to micro evolution but macro evolution is, how do I put it, bull twaddle.

K. I don't know why faith and science cannot go hand in hand in today's world.

I'm reading "Short History of nearly everything" by Bill Bryson. He accounts for basically the history of science, every major discovery how over time scientists discovered geology, physics, chemistry, theorized the atom etc. What is surprising is that a lot of these 'researchers' were pastors, priests, religiously affiliated people. Even some of the people studying evolution were church related. I see no reason why science and faith have to be separate or why science has to reject theology and vice versa.

I myself am a believer that evolution is a creation of God. I mean all the texts say God created the world. None of the texts though have a clear explanation on the nature of God or the process of creation. So it is very plausible that Big Bang, Evolution and all things we keep learning of in the world are made by God. Although I don't believe in a traditional monotheistic God or a traditional God concept really, but I'm not an atheist either. I call it the force, the infinite, whatever, a force beyond our grasp and understanding, beyond human understanding - the force whose values stretch from absolute zero - the absolute nothing that was there before the universe existed to infinity.

And in that sense, in an alternate existence it is plausible that devolution is evolution and the chicken has evolved into a unicellular organism.

Wow are we discussing a chicken and the egg?

We might need some advanced studies to see how the chicken crosses the road in spacetime.

Originally posted by: night13

--Can religion or science prove that God exists?

I don't know. Because they are all one and the same thing. Faith & knowledge are all part of the force.

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

"but questioning everything makes you do nothing."

And FYI: asking questions forces you to think. and thinking leads to thoughts that eventually lead to ideas.

that I agree, but I was talking about constant questioning.