||CC Thread #5|| ||Exploring the Greys|| ||Invites Only|| - Page 13

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Exactly! Yaha pe bekar glorification ho rahi hain aur woh bhi baki saare characters ke expense pe.

Plus, as you said, kaun se angle se Sunny Keerti ki saath fit hota hain? Bas kuch bhi bakwas dikha do.

And as for grey is concerned, one can turn a new leaf but major characteristics always remain there. Like, one of my most favorite scenes from OUAT includes Regina telling Emma how doing the right things was taking a toll on her because inside her she still had the same impulse but she couldn't resort to darkness again. It was exhausting.

And she remained fierce all along. It's not like just because she became positive she started singing songs in gardens. Roothlessness when it's required was always a part of her. And that complexity makes her the most loved character on OUAT. I am not saying for argument's sake. You google and you'll find her name on the top of any poll which is created for the most loved characters of that show.

But yaha pe to RR bheegi billi ban gaya. So I can definitely understand your frustration.

EXACTLY!! Pallu ke liye sab ka RIP ho gaya. Remember how I say, this is what I hate? Apne characters khud ke bal pe build karo, if you are gonna destroy others for becoming great, it becomes worst. Kuch dum hi nahi hai.

Exactly!! Kirti hated such stuff, uski entry dude. Also I and my friend disc after having that huge fight with RR cos of that childhood incident, not talking terms, aise ajeeb log would be last she would date. She would like someone sensible and mature, independent. Toh bas kuch bhi dikhao. There's a reason I say Pallu being uptra glorified and hated it, Amma part solving isne kiya ek din me, like seriously? It was a complex and a dark issue wwhich mother son could have talked and sorted, bas she could convince her to have a convo. Yaha toh madam ne maggi ki tarha solve kiya and upar se she is telling too, you have not been a good mother, am sorry but stay in your limits. Call me old school, par hum aise nahi bolte, tumhe kya pata hai jyada unke baare me ki character certificate do tum?! It's like everything Pallu solves, sab jagah wo hijack karti hai. Where's my RR?! His people, his convos.

That's what I say, journey is important and you learn few things and experiences change par iska matlab ye nahi ki tum sidha core hi change kar do. RR is a Don, he has done crimes and murders, uska business hai.. Ya done stuff. Toh ye sab kya hai?!

Aur Pallu was naive, she solved few things thoda bahut pata tha, ab seedha ye James Bond ban gayi matlab kuch bhi. Isko sab kuch pata hai.

Your reference fits!!

Wahi toh, my dear RR!! It's heartbreaking💔😭

Also people saying Kirti puri life jail me rahe, how sick is that?! Koi sharam nahi hai logon ko...

Waise kaafi time se i was trying to make a raghvi vm par ho hi nahi raha tha, and aaj click hua the reason. Am more excited to make a RR vm🙈🤣 whenever I make ofc.

Shayad uske baad inspiration aa jaye ofc of previous scenes. Cos connect is important... Na.

Originally posted by: nushy1995

That's the thing yaar! You need to have amazing writing to support such complex plots. Because at the end, no one is wrong from their perspective.

I have seen this track in two shows - Bhootu & Naamkaran.

While Bhootu addressed the conflict between picking one from two loved ones, Naamkaran also addressed the issue similar to how will Amma react to the Keerti revelation.

Bhootu in my opinion stood out because even when Suchi was hell bent on punishing Mansi (Aarav's sister and the main antagonist), she was sympathetic towards Aarav. She realized why he was doing the sacrifice drama and when Mansi went to prison and he swore revenge on Suchi, even then she said "I can sympathize with you for losing your sister. If you want to vent then go ahead. But I have my reason and I can't deter from my path." And from Aarav's POV it was like "I don't hate you. I never could. But I can't love you either. How do I accept the person who hurt my sister?" Their dilemma and mutual admiration was always visible but both being egoistic, their conflicts also made sense.

Here I can hardly see Pallu sympathizing with RR or even grasping the depth of the situation. Which makes me want to slap her.

And coming to the Naamkaran bit, Avni's FIL murdered her mother in drugged state. She could not let the truth come out because she knew it would kill Prakash (FIL) and also his mother because she genuinely treated Neela (Avni's mother) as her daughter. The situation was complex, she couldn't turn to law and instead she staged her own death to punish the original killer. Now, do I support Avni for destroying Neil's life who spent the next 10 years of his life like a zombie - No! But do I sympathize for the girl who was stuck from every point and tried to keep everyone happy? my heart went out to her. They did not flip any of the side characters and it made some sense. I felt conflicted throughout as to whether I should support Avni or not. Woh baat alag hain ki unhone bhi story ka dhajiya udayi with forced love triangle but you get the point.

So here, I feel like yawning. Even Mandaar does not interest me TBH. Have been hearing news of it going off-air and honestly, I would be glad if they end on a decent note than all this whitewashing and blackwashing while totally making a khichdi out of such complex scenarios.

Exactly... Such kind of tracks need a proper writing. Here, they are just rushing the things.

Coming to Pallavi, I won't say that she doesn't sympathize with Raghav. She does... its just that they haven't been given any explicit conversation regarding this, all thanks to the botched up writing.

Besides, Pallavi was trying to find the truth since all these years and now, since she knows the truth, she is desperate for justice. Also, going by her dialogues, she is more angry with the fact that Kirti just left Mandaar to die on the road and didn't even take him to the hospital. Add to it the fact that she is perfectly fine with pinning the blame on an innocent person, first RR and then Farhad.

And honestly, I'm perfectly fine with her seeking justice and wanting to have Kirti arrested. I would have been actually irked if she would have been her old self. Its just that she's being kinda tactless and a bit inconsiderate here.

Besides, she doesn't know details... She only knows that Kirti was involved in the hit and run and she escaped without even giving two hoots about that injured person.

I find Raghav to be a bigger idiot here... He knows facts, though not all. He has seen the accident happening, he has the car with himself. He was the one who took Mandaar to the hospital.

Plus Raghav knows that Ved knows Mandaar. Plus the fact that Ved told him that the person who met with the accident (and died) was Mandaar.

Pallavi doesn't know this and Raghav is not even revealing the facts. Earlier, he was afraid that Pallavi won't trust him and leave him but now, she has placed her trust on him and yet, he isn't speaking up.

Plus in a bid to save his sister, he is overlooking all other things. He is overlooking all other issues that will arise.

Raghav's stand here is understandable because anyone in his place would do the same, in fact, even Pallavi did such things. But just like her actions weren't justifiable, Raghav's actions here too aren't justifiable (at least for me)

This is precisely a parallel to what happened in the abortion fiasco... bas Raghav and Pallavi's positions have been interchanged.

Khair, ultimately, ye faltu hi niklega... at the end of the day, Sunny hai na. Ab RR faltu mein police lekar Sunny ke ghar par to jayega nahi.

Good morning behno! 🤗

Sorry I couldn't reply to you two last night.

Madhura!

Since I agree with all of your points, therefore I am not quoting your comment. 🤗

And all the best with your VMs. I would be eagerly waiting.

Nikki!

I completely agree with you that it's because of the shoddy writing that I can't connect to the characters. And unfortunately this writing would lead to further damage of the show if they don't start doing damage control now.

Because the feeling that I got from your explanation, I didn't feel 1/100th of it while I watched last few episodes.

But I disagree with the Pallu-RR portion here.

Madhura! You too can join, this is a universal topic. 😎

I believe we are still very primal in our core characteristics/feelings. That's why religion, education teaches us what is right and what is wrong. It tries to contain our negative energy. Still, being the flawed creature we are, often we end up doing things that doesn't conform to the accepted social norms yet somewhere up to a certain extent we can understand, even sympathize with some people because we know why he/she cracked under pressure.

Now, it's not about RR being idiotic. In an ideal scenario he should have reported his sister, Keerti should have surrendered to Police and Pallu should have never forgiven Sulo. Still these things happened because they are human. Ab jab tak yeh limit ke andar hain, we can sympathize. Jab limit cross karega we'll get annoyed either because of forced whitewashing or forced blackwashing.

Unfortunately mujhe yaha pe woh coercion zyada dikai de rahi hain insted of turmoil. And it's not just about Pallu. This thing could have brought out strong reaction from RR-Keerti. Just because Pallu got linked with it, RR isn't supposed to tell her everything. Insaan ke kuch bohut gehra raaz bhi hota hain jo woh hamesha andar leke suffer karta hain but kisiko bata nahi pata.

One such potential has been missed here simply to highlight how much Pallu believes RR.

To mere logic ke hisaab se yeh sab weird lag raha hain.

So at this point I am gonna rest my case and would agree to disagree.

On a side note, pehli bar aisa hua jab hum dono ka soch nahi mila. Wah! 😈 😈 😈

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Good morning behno! 🤗

Sorry I couldn't reply to you two last night.

Madhura!

Since I agree with all of your points, therefore I am not quoting your comment. 🤗

And all the best with your VMs. I would be eagerly waiting.

Good morning Nushy❤

Arre it's fine behna.

Wow, am really glad you do. Hugs back! 😃

Thank you!!

Just came to tell you, I will be back in half hour, tab disc pe reply karenge aapke.

Originally posted by: Madhura..

Good morning Nushy❤

Arre it's fine behna.

Wow, am really glad you do. Hugs back! 😃

Thank you!!

Just came to tell you, I will be back in half hour, tab disc pe reply karenge aapke.

Sure, no problem.

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Good morning behno! 🤗

Sorry I couldn't reply to you two last night.

I completely agree with you that it's because of the shoddy writing that I can't connect to the characters. And unfortunately this writing would lead to further damage of the show if they don't start doing damage control now.

Because the feeling that I got from your explanation, I didn't feel 1/100th of it while I watched last few episodes.

But I disagree with the Pallu-RR portion here.

I believe we are still very primal in our core characteristics/feelings. That's why religion, education teaches us what is right and what is wrong. It tries to contain our negative energy. Still, being the flawed creature we are, often we end up doing things that doesn't conform to the accepted social norms yet somewhere up to a certain extent we can understand, even sympathize with some people because we know why he/she cracked under pressure.

Now, it's not about RR being idiotic. In an ideal scenario he should have reported his sister, Keerti should have surrendered to Police and Pallu should have never forgiven Sulo. Still these things happened because they are human. Ab jab tak yeh limit ke andar hain, we can sympathize. Jab limit cross karega we'll get annoyed either because of forced whitewashing or forced blackwashing.

Unfortunately mujhe yaha pe woh coercion zyada dikai de rahi hain insted of turmoil. And it's not just about Pallu. This thing could have brought out strong reaction from RR-Keerti. Just because Pallu got linked with it, RR isn't supposed to tell her everything. Insaan ke kuch bohut gehra raaz bhi hota hain jo woh hamesha andar leke suffer karta hain but kisiko bata nahi pata.

One such potential has been missed here simply to highlight how much Pallu believes RR.

To mere logic ke hisaab se yeh sab weird lag raha hain.

So at this point I am gonna rest my case and would agree to disagree.

On a side note, pehli bar aisa hua jab hum dono ka soch nahi mila. Wah! 😈 😈 😈

Good morning behen... 🤗

Yes, aisa pehli baar hua hai ki humari soch ek jaisi nahi hai. Achha hai... different opinions bhi pata chalte hain. 😈 😈 😈

Now, first and foremost, ho wahi raha hai jo humne kal predict kiya tha... and again, I'm irked with these two. Ultimately is bande ko Pallavi ke saamne apna muh kholna hi tha to ye dono idiots pehle hi shaanti se baith kar baat kar lete. Raghav ke jail jaane ka wait kar rahe the kya? Precap mein Raghav himself is revealing whatever happened on that night... To sach bolna hi tha to itna naatak kaiko??

Now, coming to the reply...

The writing is completely shoddy right now. They are just rushing with the track. When they were supposed to maintain pace, they were slow as a snail in terms of pace and now, when detailing is required, they are rushing. This is surely going to effect the show...

I understand about feels... Even I did not get the feels while watching the episodes. Its the dialogues which made me understand.

Here, there is no ideal scenario. Raghav is doing everything in his power to save his sister... And like I said, any brother or for that matter anyone will do that for his/her family. He doesn't want his sister to suffer, he doesn't want his mother to be distraught... He doesn't want to lose his family that he got back after so many years. He wants to do everything in his power for his family even if it means handing himself over to the police. And this point doesn't make him idiotic. Its perfectly natural for any person to do such things for his/her family. Apni family ke liye, koi bhi kisi bhi hadd tak jaa sakta hai.

I'm calling him an idiot right now because Pallavi clearly told on his face that she knows he isn't guilty. Pallavi wants closure but then, will him going to jail give her the closure that she wants? No. Logically he should go to jail because he had a hand in covering up a crime but does Pallavi know that? No. Does she know that he took Mandaar to the hospital and paid for his treatment? No. Right now, his actions are hurting himself as well as Pallavi. She knows he is innocent so, does he feel that she'll be at peace if he goes to jail?

Like I said earlier, this scenario is just a parallel to the abortion fiasco. There, Pallavi didn't take any action against Sulo and here, Raghav is trying his best to protect Kirti even though there is more to this matter which he isn't investigating as of now.

They have highlighted Pallavi's trust on Raghav time and again, bas they just didn't manage to create that impact. Again, shoddy writing at its best.

Khair, end of the day Kirti will be saved... I'm almost sure Sunny is there for this very purpose only.

Good morning behen... 🤗

🤗

Yes, aisa pehli baar hua hai ki humari soch ek jaisi nahi hai. Achha hai... different opinions bhi pata chalte hain. 😈 😈 😈

Yup! 😈 😈 😈

Now, first and foremost, ho wahi raha hai jo humne kal predict kiya tha... and again, I'm irked with these two. Ultimately is bande ko Pallavi ke saamne apna muh kholna hi tha to ye dono idiots pehle hi shaanti se baith kar baat kar lete. Raghav ke jail jaane ka wait kar rahe the kya? Precap mein Raghav himself is revealing whatever happened on that night... To sach bolna hi tha to itna naatak kaiko??

🤣 🤣 🤣

They have highlighted Pallavi's trust on Raghav time and again, bas they just didn't manage to create that impact. Again, shoddy writing at its best.

Exactly!

Khair, end of the day Kirti will be saved... I'm almost sure Sunny is there for this very purpose only.

Meh! 🤔

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Madhura! You too can join, this is a universal topic. 😎

I believe we are still very primal in our core characteristics/feelings. That's why religion, education teaches us what is right and what is wrong. It tries to contain our negative energy. Still, being the flawed creature we are, often we end up doing things that doesn't conform to the accepted social norms yet somewhere up to a certain extent we can understand, even sympathize with some people because we know why he/she cracked under pressure.

Now, it's not about RR being idiotic. In an ideal scenario he should have reported his sister, Keerti should have surrendered to Police and Pallu should have never forgiven Sulo. Still these things happened because they are human. Ab jab tak yeh limit ke andar hain, we can sympathize. Jab limit cross karega we'll get annoyed either because of forced whitewashing or forced blackwashing.

Unfortunately mujhe yaha pe woh coercion zyada dikai de rahi hain insted of turmoil. And it's not just about Pallu. This thing could have brought out strong reaction from RR-Keerti. Just because Pallu got linked with it, RR isn't supposed to tell her everything. Insaan ke kuch bohut gehra raaz bhi hota hain jo woh hamesha andar leke suffer karta hain but kisiko bata nahi pata.

One such potential has been missed here simply to highlight how much Pallu believes RR.

To mere logic ke hisaab se yeh sab weird lag raha hain.

So at this point I am gonna rest my case and would agree to disagree.

On a side note, pehli bar aisa hua jab hum dono ka soch nahi mila. Wah! 😈 😈 😈

First paragraph, I agree.

Exactly!! But frankly, now, Pallu is doing hypocrisy here. Cos muzrim ko saza, ye toh RR ne bhi bola tha abortion ke time, when he exposed amruta. Par tab isne family ko bachaya, sulo did so much horrible, isne family ko bachaya, but ab if RR is doing, she emotionally blackmails him?!!! Par ofc since pallu says, ye hoga. Remember I told you this, ki I hate this hypocrisy ki RR family serious issues are done in jet speed and hers are done gradually, I have a problem cos like pain sabko hota hai. But it always has been her family suffers but iski fatafat.

Yes, but again in this case accident ke time, RR and keerti weren't even on talking terms.

TOTALLY!! See, some things are family secrets, some things are your secrets, which die with you. Toh isme it's better you give space, just cos link hui, he should not tell everything. Even I had a problem with Pallu cos in start jab sunny ka utna pata nahi tha, she gives a character certificate and tells kirti, ki you should see and make friends, he isn't right. Tab kirti didn't say anything, thik hai you both have a relation and are friends, par iska matlab ye nahi ki main tumhare sab issues me taang adau, without even knowing the person. Kiske saath dosti karni hai is her choice. Did kirti ever tell her, don't talk with this or that? Sirf RR ka bolti thi, cos uska bhai hai and her experience, and helped her from him.

Exactly!! Maine yahi bola tha.

Aur agar RR ke perspective se socho, he wants to care for his family, sister. Toh kya galat hai? His sister is asking after a long time for help, toh karega na wo? Like I could see a glimpse of my RR from the update, ki he tells tum kisi ke past ke baare me....and I am concerned for someon'e future. I feel bad, cos ache khaase bro sis moments are just ruined.

Plus yes, he stole that pen to save kirti, a typical trait. He is the boss, and will save kirti. Ab Pallu blame kare, fine.

Ek toh jabardasti kirti ko villain bana diya, and precap Pallu is giving all lectures. Kaunse insaan ko khud se apni puri life spoil karni hogi?!! They are going too overboard. Aur kirti can also say, if I would not have saved or helped you, your shop wouldn't exist! Point here is Pallu can't just walk on everyone and force to imprisonment. Aise nahi hota hai, and frankly she isn't thinking here about RR ki family and consequences. Did she give anyone a chance to speak or understand?!

Yup! 😈 😈 😈

😈 😈 😈

Exactly!

Honesty, the build up to this track was really nice but now, they are just rushing. Probably it is due to the trp pressure that they want to be done with this accident track so soon. But jo bhi hai, they are just rushing with it and hence, the impact of the scenes is lowered.

Meh! 🤔

Yeah... Sunny ko culprit banaye jaane ke poore poore chances dikh rahe hain.

One, because if Kirti is the culprit then, iska jo bhi hoga it will have a negative impact on Raghav and Pallavi's relationship phir chahe Kirti ko saza ho ya na ho.

Besides, when Amma was sick and Raghav asked Kirti to take out the car, she repeatedly said that she can't drive. If she can't drive, then how was she driving that night? This one point had me wondering if she is trying to save Sunny...

Also, ek bts mein we have Raghav with police at Sunny's house. Kirti was also there... So, ab Raghav khud police lekar Kirti ko arrest karne jaayega, aisa to lagta nahi.