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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: immunoblot


Hamari kismat... we only found people who won't be reading...

Do keep posting though... You'll have Aladin and some others for company...

So, tell us Ekta ji: How PC is the general desi population??



Desi's are the most offensive when it comes to racism and that doesn't just end in international level; but national, state and regional level too. Our only saving grace is that we speak languages/dialect that not understood by others. I had a Indian classmate in grad school, she thought Americans are culture less coz according to her culture was being draped in clothes, not calling professors by their names and not having live-in and she was very offensive about it. I failed to make her understand that it is part of their culture... 😕. And yes, all desis in my school used to call African-Americans 'babban log'.

Will get back later after reading a few pages
Ciao
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: axeion

Hello....Hum hain naa 😆
Hows ur health now?


Aww Ekta ji,how did the outing go?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: nitz17



Desi's are the most offensive when it comes to racism and that doesn't just end in international level; but national, state and regional level too. Our only saving grace is that we speak languages/dialect that not understood by others. I had a Indian classmate in grad school, she thought Americans are culture less coz according to her culture was being draped in clothes, not calling professors by their names and not having live-in and she was very offensive about it. I failed to make her understand that it is part of their culture... 😕. And yes, all desis in my school used to call African-Americans 'babban log'.

Will get back later after reading a few pages
Ciao


Ok ..I don't get this.
Even after traveling all this way..people still stick to these constraints and stupid notions.
And I agree Indians are the most racist not to mention castewadi too .
Until the time I was in India..I was against reservation and thought the whole idea of caste was overblown.
But now I am for reservations 100 %.
I saw casteism the first time after I came to the US.Can you believe that.
For people who have grown up in Delhi ,Bombay or other metro cities or for that matter kids of displaced parents it is not such a big deal.
But there are people who come from one state /region/language and have not had the opportunity to live and understand ,adapt or interact with other cultures.They stick to these notions of superiority and how their beliefs are better than others.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: immunoblot

My first question for discussion is about political correctness. The book begins with a monologue by Martin, who explains his reasons for committing suicide; and likens it to going away to Sydney. He says: "Suicide was my Sydney. And I say that with no offence to the good people of Sydney intended."

A. Do you think, people of Sydney will be offended by such a statement. I think not! (Had it been, "Suicide was my new Delhi", I would not have sufficiently enraged.)
B. Does this seem like a routine approach that you'd follow... Say something, and then suggest that no offence was intended? Is this a universal trait, or is this something typically British (which is what the book stereotypes!)
C. Would a desi protagonist do the same (care about political correctness)?

**Keep in mind that I have not yet read a single page of the book** (tries to look ashamed and fails miserably) 😳😳😆😆😆
A. The idea is not offending, but it may to be to the sensitive people in Sydney. If someone says going to heaven is like going to Sydney, it would please the people of Sydney, but if the idea is moving to hell is like going to Sydney, then it can be offending. I expect it would differ from person to person, however, I would not be offended by such statements, because there are always good people and bad people in any country. Another fact is that criticism usually just bounces off of me. 😳😳😆😆
B. If I want to offend people, then I would generally phrase it 'if it offends someone, then so be it'. 😆😆 I think I am politically correct, but only to a certain degree. Most desis are not politically correct though. We say the meanest things, without realizing what we are actually saying and when people say the same things about us, we tend to take a lot of offense. I'll use the example of black people. While we use discriminatory terms for them, it's all good, but when someone generalizes us in the same way, we don't take it kindly. However, it would be wrong on my part to only blame the desis. I believe it is quite a universal trait. I have come across some white folks (again a discrimatory term) who are the same way. The most tolerant people I have found is the "black" community, believe it or not. 😳😃😃
C. I don't think a desi protagonist (in general) would care.
(If I have offended someone, then it was not my intention.) 😳😳😉 **pun intended**
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Veritas


Ok ..I don't get this.
Even after traveling all this way..people still stick to these constraints and stupid notions.
And I agree Indians are the most racist not to mention castewadi too .
Until the time I was in India..I was against reservation and thought the whole idea of caste was overblown.
But now I am for reservations 100 %.
I saw casteism the first time after I came to the US.Can you believe that.
For people who have grown up in Delhi ,Bombay or other metro cities or for that matter kids of displaced parents it is not such a big deal.
But there are people who come from one state /region/language and have not had the opportunity to live and understand ,adapt or interact with other cultures.They stick to these notions of superiority and how their beliefs are better than others.

Actually, this holds true for mostly everyone, not just the desis. As they say, bad achcha, badnaam bura. Desis are badnaam for being extremely prejudiced. I think we are rather tolerant in comparison to some of the others. Actually, French people are the worst when it comes to prejudices. 😡
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Yeah... the prejudice does run deep in our collective mentalities... That is the problem... And so often, we don't even try to mask it.
And then we are also complain about political correctness (this is a universal trait; everybody complains about PC-ness, Martin does too: He says that in Sydney there will be no left-wing councils banning 'Baa-Baa Black Sheep'), we desis have mostly benefitted from the PC-West... and have made no efforts to correct our behaviour either at home, or abroad... instead by frowning upon it, we have found some sort of moral justification...

Sad part: Coming back to the book, the first page outlines Martin to have a conflict-ridden personality... So, disdainful of PC-ness; and yet so PC...
Would we desis be better at trying to emulate this attitude? At least by saying things that sound correct, can we somehow lessen the guilt of thinking/doing what is wrong?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Aladin-

Actually, this holds true for mostly everyone, not just the desis. As they say, bad achcha, badnaam bura. Desis are badnaam for being extremely prejudiced. I think we are rather tolerant in comparison to some of the others. Actually, French people are the worst when it comes to prejudices. 😡


Well, France is still a very diverse country... And in much of the Anglophone world, PC-ness is an integral part of civil society... (I think...)

@Aladin ji: Continue this way... This is about us, and not about the book. 😃
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Smita ji had different suggestions for the awards yesterday... So, while we fresh, let us also come up with innovative reader awards for this book/thread.
We already have: The most lovable personality. Other suggestions are welcome...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: immunoblot

Yeah... the prejudice does run deep in our collective mentalities... That is the problem... And so often, we don't even try to mask it.
And then we are also complain about political correctness (this is a universal trait; everybody complains about PC-ness, Martin does too: He says that in Sydney there will be no left-wing councils banning 'Baa-Baa Black Sheep'), we desis have mostly benefitted from the PC-West... and have made no efforts to correct our behaviour either at home, or abroad... instead by frowning upon it, we have found some sort of moral justification...

Sad part: Coming back to the book, the first page outlines Martin to have a conflict-ridden personality... So, disdainful of PC-ness; and yet so PC...
Would we desis be better at trying to emulate this attitude? At least by saying things that sound correct, can we somehow lessen the guilt of thinking/doing what is wrong?

I think deep down we all know where we are hurting someone's sentiments. It's a simple matter of putting ourselves in other people's shoes (not literally). If you won't like something that is said about you, then you shouldn't say the same about others. Most people though, make such statements in their full senses and with the purpose of spiting the other party. It's just how it is. It's a bit sad. Then people wonder why is their so little tolerance? Rather ironic, isn't it.
This is exactly why, I don't believe in extreme views (especially the negative). All humans are created by God. Yet, to date we make fun of people who may not resemble us. As a child, my mom would reprimand us for making fun of other people's facial features even. She says, God created that person a certain way. How could you even make fun of them. Yet, people don't think twice before painting other people in a negative way. Many of my friends are the same, but I mostly ignore them. If I reprimand them, then apparently, I am taking away their rights to 'freedom of speech'. It's a double edged sword, isn't it.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: immunoblot


Well, France is still a very diverse country... And in much of the Anglophone world, PC-ness is an integral part of civil society... (I think...)

@Aladin ji: Continue this way... This is about us, and not about the book. 😃

Well, I have not been to France, but I have been to Quebec, Canada. The french would give you such looks, specially if you are dressed in desi attire. Even though, many of them are familiar with English language, they would not give you directions when you ask them, because apparently, conversing in English is 'offensive'.

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