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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1071

@sandi Arjun always wanted more out of life, but the shortcut way. Again reaching Maya's apartment through windows. He was a man who never realized his potential. A man who had more in him. What intrigued Maya was the potential she saw in Arjun. And that potential itself has to come out in that journey. His realization of his potential is the lifting of Maya or perception.

Now why Arjun didnt realize his potential, because always his thoughts were rubbished. VM marched into his life when he couldnt accept her and he was always blamed from childhood that his views on VM were his perception. Then Saanjh never allowed him to dream. She always pulled him down. And also he was called duffer and all his decisions mocked at. Then came Maya the woman who tried to discipline him a bit, but then controlled him, but at the same time gave him luxury also. But then again it was told his decision was wrong. So the question remains how wrong is Arjun, is he always wrong. Whatever decisions, feelings he had is always wrong. Or he is a man who has independent thought, intelligence and potential to climb the ladder of success.

In short what did Maya see in Arjun. In short why Arjun is different from Ashwin and Rajiv. In short why did a woman who set up the business empire of F&C decided to marry the photographer in her firm. It's a woman's choice and the proof of that choice man has to give. 😃. Why did she choose him.

Again Maya is Arjun's choice, a man's choice, again she too has to give the proof why she is the choice for him. It's a 2 way process.

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Lucifer

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1072

Originally posted by: Fernandes43
The story & logic have since long gone down the drain!
And Cvs are just reminding it to us once again metaphorically, by making the hero to find an escape route -for a second time through a sewage pipe line! At least the first time was a little bit convincing, the second attempt was just ridiculous! Only some rats or water snakes can manage to squeeze through that small space available usually in the private drainage line leading all the way to a public man-hole in the roadside, even if one were to ignore the toxic & foul gas down under!
Maya is waiting for Arjun to come & meet her! If this maya were old maya, she would not wait for him but go & kidnap him, after knowing that he is out of jail!
An obsessive Maya would loath to see Arjun hanging around, in the company of Saanjh!
But, this Maya is a different person! She too needs a company albeit for sometime! Otherwise, why didn't she fire her gun at Rajiv, then & there, in stead of preserving him as some 'Qurbani' for her behadh love?!
One thing is becoming increasingly clearer, she is now not thinking about her empire-Fashion & City, or any other moh maya or even her abandoned mother! Her thoughts are only with Arjun & that is all about how to take Arjun along with her to heaven or hell - depending upon Arjun's mood!

Btw,JW's recent IV- in the context of forthcoming fight between Arjun & Rajiv, made a certain comment!
She said," Maya will continue to love only Arjun - zindagi . .. matlab . . . till the day she dies!"
Is it a hint on the likely end outcome of this story ?
Or ,love will only win in the end, as she was supposedly said it, quite sometime back!

Exactly my thoughts on their escape, HOW DID THEY FIT IN THAT DRAINAGE PIPE??

As for Maya's death I think that would be a pretty satisfying ending considering the amount of crimes she has committed.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1073

if I remember right, in Shawsank Redemption Andy's escape from prison was through Sewage pipe. I dont know how it is possible, but then the all time hit movie and favorite of many has used this method for its protoganist's escape

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Lucifer

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1074

@Shruti I seriously admire your writing and perspective.

Yesterday's episode made me also really angry but not only at Saanjh but all of them!

First of all Mr Arjun Sharma!!

While I completely agree with you, the way Saanjh was demoralising Arjun, to me it looked like she is trying to save her life in that situation, but can not protest in full form so saying it in the most subtle way she can.

But I was more angry at Arjun.

He clearly knows that it is bullet or faasi for him, but not once did he thought about his best friend who would also get the bullet in an attempt to escape! All he cares about is his revenge from Maya. Looks like he doesnt mind sacrificing his Dusky for it, the same Dusky who held more importance than his pregnant wife!! 😡

Then later he is like call Shubh, he will give us information, not even once giving a thought "What if Police finds out about this and Shubh gets involved". And silly me, I was hoping that Saanjh would put up a protest BUT NOOO!! She can tell Arjun we should surrender or else we will get shot even after knowing that Arjun would die anyway, so basically thinking practically and logically about the situation in an attempt to save her life (honestly I liked that part of Saanjh coz for the first time she gave some value to her life even if it was only 0.005%, but still something is better than nothing) but has no qualms whatsoever in asking her brother to get involved in such a dangerous act which can destroy his whole life!

If police finds out he will not only go to jail but most probably his career would get destroyed, most probably he would end up in the same situation as Ayaan. But these selfless mahaan people dont give a penny about Shubh and his future. Even Shubh's mother doesnt mind Shubh getting involved and bhola bhala Arjun is more than happy to use Shubh's talent to his advantage no matter what the consequence, very similar to how he was adamant in running away even if it meant bullet for Dusky afterall Arjun already has faasi and does not want to go through that!

Clearly Arjun Saanjh ke dosti ke asli rang dikhayi de rahe hain.

Arjun is ready to make Saanjh and Shubh sascrificial lambs to achieve his revenge!😡😡😡

One thing you are absolutely right about, Arjun is not Duffer, he is kamina!!

Coming to Maya Devi, inka plan kahan se shuru hota hai aur kahan pe khatam mujhe pata hi nahi chalta. This demented mind has tortured my psyche long enough, I just cant take this anymore.

Maya is too damn puzzling for me to understand, so Maya Devi aapka demented mind aur demented pyaar aapko mubarak ho! Aur saath mein Rajiv bhi mubarak ho.

Then again i completely dont understand what is Maya thinking, why did she trust rajiv after almost killing him and more importantly how was she so damn confident that Arjun would escape?

But more importantly i dont understand that why is Rajiv simply not attempting to kidnap Maya like last time?

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Fernandes43

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1075

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
if I remember right, in Shawsank Redemption Andy's escape from prison was through Sewage pipe. I dont know how it is possible, but then the all time hit movie and favorite of many has used this method for its protoganist's escape

Arjun's first attempt was atleast believable because he entered into a man-hole & then made an exit through another man-hole, supposedly hidden under a waiting truck! Such a strategy is a common thing shown in some western movies, because their cities are generally having such human-size sewage underground tunnels, to make it possible!One may still need to wear masks in order to prevent suffocation under toxic/foul gas!
In India, I am not sure about it like such massive under ground tunnels-if exist- even in a mega-metro city say, Mumbai! But let us assume it does & allow some cinematic liberty for that!
But, the second one was a complete non-sense! No building will have such a massive tunnel under ground from every commode, leading all the way to outside public utility like a common sewage man-hole! This is nothing but beyhadh stupid imagination!

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Fernandes43

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1076

Originally posted by: manya_roy
@Shruti I seriously admire your writing and perspective.

Yesterday's episode made me also really angry but not only at Saanjh but all of them!

First of all Mr Arjun Sharma!!
While I completely agree with you, the way Saanjh was demoralising Arjun, to me it looked like she is trying to save her life in that situation, but can not protest in full form so saying it in the most subtle way she can.
But I was more angry at Arjun.
He clearly knows that it is bullet or faasi for him, but not once did he thought about his best friend who would also get the bullet in an attempt to escape! All he cares about is his revenge from Maya. Looks like he doesnt mind sacrificing his Dusky for it, the same Dusky who held more importance than his pregnant wife!! 😡
Then later he is like call Shubh, he will give us information, not even once giving a thought "What if Police finds out about this and Shubh gets involved". And silly me, I was hoping that Saanjh would put up a protest BUT NOOO!! She can tell Arjun we should surrender or else we will get shot even after knowing that Arjun would die anyway, so basically thinking practically and logically about the situation in an attempt to save her life (honestly I liked that part of Saanjh coz for the first time she gave some value to her life even if it was only 0.005%, but still something is better than nothing) but has no qualms whatsoever in asking her brother to get involved in such a dangerous act which can destroy his whole life!
If police finds out he will not only go to jail but most probably his career would get destroyed, most probably he would end up in the same situation as Ayaan. But these selfless mahaan people dont give a penny about Shubh and his future. Even Shubh's mother doesnt mind Shubh getting involved and bhola bhala Arjun is more than happy to use Shubh's talent to his advantage no matter what the consequence, very similar to how he was adamant in running away even if it meant bullet for Dusky afterall Arjun already has faasi and does not want to go through that!
Clearly Arjun Saanjh ke dosti ke asli rang dikhayi de rahe hain.
Arjun is ready to make Saanjh and Shubh sascrificial lambs to achieve his revenge!😡😡😡
One thing you are absolutely right about, Arjun is not Duffer, he is kamina!!

Coming to Maya Devi, inka plan kahan se shuru hota hai aur kahan pe khatam mujhe pata hi nahi chalta. This demented mind has tortured my psyche long enough, I just cant take this anymore.
Maya is too damn puzzling for me to understand, so Maya Devi aapka demented mind aur demented pyaar aapko mubarak ho! Aur saath mein Rajiv bhi mubarak ho.
Then again i completely dont understand what is Maya thinking, why did she trust rajiv after almost killing him and more importantly how was she so damn confident that Arjun would escape?

But more importantly i dont understand that why is Rajiv simply not attempting to kidnap Maya like last time?

Maya answered the video call
-a) to leave a trail for him to locate her, despite Rajiv's reluctance & feeble protests!
-b) to gauge his emotions & make a determination if he is still staying strong in his resolve to chase her down & take his revenge on her!

She needed only a few seconds to judge him! Moreover, she knew it already that Arjun jumped the prison only to come after her! Isn't so? The only surprise or unanswered question is how come she did not get surprised to realize that Arjun saw through & discovered her fake death, even though he never knew about existence of her lookalike! Anyway, let us hope that she would ask him this question whenever she gets to meet him!

Maya is a little bit down from the original suave personality that she once was, but not completely out of it, yet! Maya is still left with some fight! Possibly a fight to finish it off, once and for all!

Edited by Fernandes43 - 8 years ago

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1077

@manya let me accept Saanjh wants to protect her life. See I dont fight any fault in that because as a person your first instinct is self protection. But why cant she tell that straight away. Reason then the mask of mahan friendship will be gone. The dialogue of sacrifice will be gone. Because if she tells she wants to defend herself then she become selfish, which she cannot as Dusky is mahan and sacrificial.

Now coming to Shubh, when has Dusky given value to her family. It was always Arjun and yes involving Shubh means destroying his career also. As in the eyes of police all these people are fugitives, plain fugitives.

Arjun, he is using people for his survival, has no regard to their safety at this point. Only his hatred for Maya is alive in him. This is the same thing Maya was doing right, she too used people, situations for her benefit or rather ultimately her survival. She came from a dark room and always had the dark room in the back of mind.

When Arjun is pushed to dark room he is using Maya's methods. If you look there are many people in jail because of him as the police caught all people who helped him. His brother is in jail. Dusky has become fugitive. Anyone who has supported Arjun has ended up in the mess.

Rajiv cannot kill Maya, but I feel he does have some plans as much as Maya has other plans with him. We need to know these 2 are equally intelligent and smart. The thing we need to know is that Samay and Maya is not in the scene of Dusky and Duffer. They are observing them. But then Dusky and Duffer create Maya and use time to follow the path of Maya and Samay.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1078

1/8/2017

If you look at things with love, you see what the heart shows and if you see things with hatred you see what the world wants to show you. Or in other words if you have negative emotions Maya works on you, but if your heart is filled with love, you rise above Maya as you will see only truth.

Arjun for once Saanjh was right. Yes what Maya did today was her trick. A dangerous game she has played. A game which can have any outcome but then Maya is pressing on everyone's weakness. Maya tricks Arjun into the bus, Samay traps Saanjh. But then Maya gets out from the bus and Arjun follows. Arjun you are following Maya or perception. Rajiv you are listening to Maya or perception. This woman has her goal defined, she is placing the pawns. The pawns hopefully will give her the result she wants. She tells Rajiv one relation has to die for other relation to be born. But she doesnt tell which relation. We know Saanjh will not die, because when Maya asked about Saanjh death Samay was silent. But when she asked whether he will allow her to fail the answer was walk with time. Time, action at the right time changes everything. One throw of dice can change the entire game if thrown at the right time. Yes planning happens. Everything is planned to obtain particular result, but then someone throws dice which is unexpected. The numbers doesnt matter, because if it is thrown at right time truth will win.

Now why is Dusky upset when Arjun says he cannot forget Maya's feeling. Comon girl Maya is his wife, if a husband doesnt realize when he touches his wife then who will. One moment the smile she felt in the car when Arjun was saying he will reach Maya, he will destroy Maya was wiped off when Arjun told he realizes the feeling of touching Maya. Which world this girl is in, but yes as usual she recovers quickly to tell if it is Maya then she is here somewhere and is a bit afraid.

Arjun in his hatred had forgotten he has to protect Dusky, he is behind Maya leaving Dusky alone. That's why Maya tells when you look with hatred you see what world wants to show you.

Coming to Suman. Madam dont think police is idiot. They know their work and please dont speak moral high ground to them. They are searching fugivites and yes the inspector managed to see the red spot on google maps. But as a good intelligent officer he keeps quiet and then goes out and give instructions to his sub ordinates. Not like Dusky who rush to hospital to tell Maya I have got proof against you.

Anyways the story is at a very interesting point, Dusky alone reminded me of the dinner once again in Maya's place. Yes first course she got a taste in mental hospital. Now main course and dessert I guess is coming her way.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1079

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
if I remember right, in Shawsank Redemption Andy's escape from prison was through Sewage pipe. I dont know how it is possible, but then the all time hit movie and favorite of many has used this method for its protoganist's escape

Andy took decades, he used his knowledge of architecture and brain.
For arjun and saanjh it was sudden and thats why it is hard to believe
Other wise bobby escape thru sewage in gupt.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1080

@lamcute my point was that funda is used in movies. So if it is used in Gupt, it is used in indian movies also. If you watch bollywood movies or some of super star movies you will see lot of absurd things, things which are more absurd than what is shown in Beyhadh. But we all have enjoyed them as people do like masala movies.

What we need to see is the survival instinct of Arjun, the need to live and in such situations people do many things which are not done under normal circumstances.

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